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Zalatix

(8,994 posts)
Sat Jun 30, 2012, 02:50 AM Jun 2012

So many of us have been accused on here of wanting a Glorious Revolution. Let's get out with it! [View all]

Last edited Mon Jul 2, 2012, 06:57 AM - Edit history (3)

Got "TL DR" looking at this? No problem, it happens to everyone. Just go straight to the end for the short message.

I don't know of anyone here who wants a "Glorious Revolution", most likely referring to the 1917 Bolshevik-style revolution that resulted in the bloodiest dictatorship in history. Someone in another thread (link added since people believe I'm lying) accused some DUers of wanting this, but I doubt any such examples will ever be found. I for one am a fan of a FAR less tragic French Revolution, actually. Or maybe, as other posters in this very thread have mentioned, a rebellion like that which overthrew King James II.

But none of that is going to happen. Why?

Well, let's start with the fact that Democrats, unlike Republicans, turn on each other at the drop of a hat, and stay at each other's throats constantly. Take, for instance, this new bullshit - er, old McCarthyist bullshit claim resurrected like some bloody old zombie - that some of us want a BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION, mass death and chaos and all of that.

So let me explain what is going to happen to America instead.

Let's start with what's happening now. Occupy protesters are out there protesting for the interests of the working class. There are, according to some reports, 72 million registered Democrats. If even 1/10th of us cared about Occupy Wall Street enough to join them, there would be 7.2 million additional Occupiers out there. We could outsize the largest record-breaking protests in history if we took action and supported Occupy. But we don't. Instead, what's happening is Occupy is getting their asses beat bloody and raw by the police gangs. NYC Mayor Bloomberg is sitting comfortable while bragging that he has the world's 7th largest army. Police are sitting on their law enforcement forums bragging about beating Occupiers or cheering on others who do.

Meanwhile, we sit on the DU and whine about it, but do we see even 1/10th of our numbers out there? Nope. Probably not even 1/100, given the size of the Occupy protests.

There will be no Bolshevik Revolution. There won't even be a French Revolution. We couldn't even stage a voters' revolution in the 2010 elections. Hell, we couldn't even take out Scott Walker.

Those of us who are being painted as anarchists here want war and chaos? Nope, not gonna happen. Here's what is coming instead.

Food prices are going to keep skyrocketing. Water is going to become more and more scarce and the Plutocrats, like the Bushes, are going to keep purchasing water access rights. Everything you pay for is going to go up in price, unlike your wages. The Plutocrats' think tanks are even predicting a global resource crisis by 2030. They've stamped an execution date right on your ass.

Oh, there'll be a crisis alright. For the 99%, not the 1%. Oh I know, some say that when that day comes the 1% will get swept up in it. But that would mean war and chaos and revolution, right? And we all know that's just a Bolshevik anarchist wet dream. We just decided that we don't want that, didn't we?

Nope, instead we're going to be stuck with food shortages, health care that will get yanked back out of reach (and if the ACA evolves positively, we'll be hit with a manufactured shortage of doctors - and they're already talking about making that happen), a ruined transportation and electricity infrastructure that the Republicans have made a mockery out of us when we try to fund it adequately, and water supplies increasingly poisoned hydraulic fracking.

Meanwhile the Democrats are going to be arguing over whether one group is a bunch of revolutionary anarchists, with some folks taking a giant frosty piss on the graves of every oppressed peasant and worker who ever took to armed rebellion in the past by likening them all to bloody Stalinists. America will become little better than Mexico, which has been a hellish Plutonomy for the last 100 years.

Hell yes, I'd like to see this future averted by a French Revolution. The Plutocracy needs it burned into their psyche that bad things happen to those who try to turn the working class into disposable serfs. However I'll be happy to accept a voter revolt that overcomes the Diebold firewall and overthrows the Plutocracy in favor of a nation of laws that favor workers' rights.

In short:
TO HELL with "small, incremental solutions". WE NEED MAJOR, RADICAL CHANGES to save this country! We have Stage-4 societal CANCER and we need CHEMOTHERAPY.
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dayum CleanLucre Jun 2012 #1
I wanna take this serious but the other day you posted that being gay was a choice and now I can't FarLeftFist Jun 2012 #2
I also apologized because that was a mistake. Zalatix Jun 2012 #5
Was not intended to be factually accurate... or something like that. LanternWaste Jul 2012 #164
gee, another Zalatix diatribe. and it's so original! cali Jun 2012 #3
Another pointless Cali response. Can't say I'm surprised. Zalatix Jun 2012 #7
you'll remember him when the revolution comes!111! dionysus Jun 2012 #94
cue the piranhas!! CleanLucre Jun 2012 #4
I don't wear asbestos. I am MADE of asbestos. Zalatix Jun 2012 #6
People should avoid you then, if they don't want to suffer from mesothelioma. You're toxic! MADem Jun 2012 #9
LOL I guess so! Zalatix Jun 2012 #10
.... crickets ..... CleanLucre Jun 2012 #11
We aim to please. MADem Jun 2012 #12
no real answer CleanLucre Jun 2012 #14
Nope, but things are steadily getting worse. Zalatix Jun 2012 #15
I think everyone's prices for everything--except, perhaps, real estate--are more expensive. MADem Jun 2012 #69
Fuck it agent46 Jun 2012 #8
The "Glorious Revolution" was something quite different to the French Revolution. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2012 #13
The "Glorious Revolution" that was mentioned in the other thread referred to the Russian one. Zalatix Jun 2012 #16
Wow. Summer Hathaway Jun 2012 #17
Wow, indeed. Your post is full of lies, denial and ignorance. Zalatix Jun 2012 #19
"This economy is rapidly approaching a point where it doesn't even need 95% of the population." CleanLucre Jun 2012 #108
"the only incremental steps we're taking are steps BACKWARDS." Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #117
You are absolutely correct about this: sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #147
Yup. Either that, or outright denial. Zalatix Jul 2012 #149
In reply ... Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #152
To hell with small, incremental changes. WE NEED IMMEDIATE AND RADICAL CHANGE! Zalatix Jul 2012 #156
I was pretty sure Summer Hathaway Jul 2012 #162
LOL thanks for showing that you have nothing to back up your ridiculous argument. Zalatix Jul 2012 #165
Chris Hedges: Time to Get Crazy Zalatix Jul 2012 #161
Oh and I want to ask about a few more of your "small incremental steps" Zalatix Jun 2012 #20
Very interesting discussion here. I have no skin in the personal side of this back and forth, so I Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #38
You hit the nail right on the head. Zalatix Jun 2012 #41
Totally agree DearAbby Jun 2012 #81
Ah...good idea...a 100% personal-free exchange of ideas forum. For that matter Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #112
truth shall set you free CleanLucre Jun 2012 #87
Summer Hathaway is away right now trying to find examples of those 'incremental steps' Zalatix Jun 2012 #127
takes time CleanLucre Jun 2012 #129
you're quite the puffed up little popinjay, aren't you? dionysus Jul 2012 #146
Boy I just keep getting deeper under your skin. Zalatix Jul 2012 #148
This is so interesting JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #151
I haven't said a discouraging word to anyone who hasn't said one to me. Zalatix Jul 2012 #154
lolz That takes me back.... JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #157
Lolz that takes me back... "Everyone else is okay doing it, but you're not!" Zalatix Jul 2012 #158
Wow.. good response. DCBob Jun 2012 #54
Great post treestar Jun 2012 #58
Boom goes the dynamite... SidDithers Jun 2012 #62
yeah, summer just pwned the OP dionysus Jun 2012 #97
Love DU3's transparency... SidDithers Jun 2012 #115
Rec list suggests that 14 people say I pwned Summer Hathaway. Bet that hurts you a lot. Zalatix Jun 2012 #128
LOL.. you're lucky they got rid of unrec... dionysus Jun 2012 #132
Oh quit your whining about a lack of unrec. Besides, your champion has scurried off anyway. Zalatix Jun 2012 #134
my my, you seem to get quite upset when people don't like your opinion. dionysus Jun 2012 #139
Dang, you can dish it out but you sure can't take it, can you? Zalatix Jul 2012 #140
we seem to have a disconnect here. you're the one getting all angy and i'm the one laughing... dionysus Jul 2012 #144
We do have a disconnect here. It stands between your statements and reality. Zalatix Jul 2012 #145
Excellent response. great white snark Jun 2012 #68
Meanwhile, "Every day, almost 16,000 children die from hunger-related causes. That's Zorra Jun 2012 #76
But those are incremental steps forward, BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE and all that. Zalatix Jun 2012 #89
you win the thread. dionysus Jun 2012 #95
No, wait...let's see how the judges scored it... Zorra Jun 2012 #133
I hit Summer's irrational rage button. I hope she didn't explode. Zalatix Jul 2012 #141
People like you bob4460 Jul 2012 #142
We don't need "small, incremental steps". WE NEED MAJOR, RADICAL CHANGE! Zalatix Jul 2012 #160
Excellent post. Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #155
I wouldn't worry too much about it. JoeyT Jun 2012 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Ken Burch Jun 2012 #21
Yes, I agree. My point was some of us were being accused of wanting the 1917 Russian revolution Zalatix Jun 2012 #22
Of course it isn't. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #23
wow, kinda embarrassing that I haven't heard of the Diggers before Zalatix Jun 2012 #31
I thought it was embarrassing that you thought the Glorious Revolution referred to the Bolsheviks alcibiades_mystery Jun 2012 #44
Considering the context in which it was mentioned, and the responses that came from others Zalatix Jun 2012 #47
I think its more a matter of process rather than effect. DCBob Jun 2012 #32
At this point I don't ever see a liberal utopia happening. Zalatix Jun 2012 #35
A successful revolution doesnt necessarily mean the economy will improve... DCBob Jun 2012 #45
The American Revolution was particularly bloody, as was the US Civil War Zalatix Jun 2012 #49
A reduction in consumption always results in a slow-down in the economy. DCBob Jun 2012 #50
Standards of living can still rise, for everyone. Zalatix Jun 2012 #53
Our high standard of living is directly tied to consumption. DCBob Jun 2012 #57
Yes you have a point there. Zalatix Jun 2012 #84
Solar is the most likely replacement but.. DCBob Jun 2012 #125
We should be like Germany when it comes to solar power. Zalatix Jun 2012 #136
If our revolution CleanLucre Jun 2012 #88
I'll tell ya what... if we can put an end to campaign contributions, we almost win it ALL. Zalatix Jun 2012 #90
How to get CleanLucre Jun 2012 #96
Hell if I know. I can't figure out why the Democrats don't come out en masse for Occupy. Zalatix Jun 2012 #101
because CleanLucre Jun 2012 #107
Look what happens to Dems who color outside the corporate lines Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #119
And now character assassinations are a new weapon to use against true liberals. Zalatix Jul 2012 #150
No. Wrong end of the civil war. Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #40
OK. Still, its results were purely reactionary, and helped create the "British Empire". Ken Burch Jun 2012 #121
That was the English Civil War, not the Glorious Revolution. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2012 #52
I stand corrected Ken Burch Jun 2012 #120
I don't know about that Spider Jerusalem Jun 2012 #122
After the triumph of "Good King Billy" Ken Burch Jun 2012 #131
all of which is worse than forced relocation and slavery, how? Spider Jerusalem Jun 2012 #137
they destroyed any chance of reversing the forced relocation and slavery. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #138
Id like to see a revolution... minus the blood and the guillotines. DCBob Jun 2012 #24
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable" -JFK Fumesucker Jun 2012 #25
Alot of wisdom in that statement. DCBob Jun 2012 #26
It's quite possible cbrer Jun 2012 #27
Don't think there are many of us who actually WANT blood and guillotines. Ken Burch Jun 2012 #34
The OP seems rather partial to the guillotines, actually alcibiades_mystery Jun 2012 #46
I meant that as more figurative than literal. DCBob Jun 2012 #48
History shows that sooner or later there is an uprising against the oppressor. hobbit709 Jun 2012 #28
The last time there was a big social movement in this country EFerrari Jun 2012 #29
Ayup, now that is the truth. Zalatix Jun 2012 #36
However, we were successful in making great change becuase of those social movements!!!! robinlynne Jun 2012 #109
The Plutocracy needs it burned into their psyche that bad things happen cbrer Jun 2012 #30
You will be FLAMED as a Bolshevik Revolutionary for savoring that. Zalatix Jun 2012 #33
When I hear the term "Glorious Revolution" ... Laelth Jun 2012 #37
I don't think the op has a clue what the term means. Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #42
Perhaps you need to actually read the cites I post? Zalatix Jun 2012 #51
.... crickets ..... CleanLucre Jun 2012 #91
I don't think it's *possible* to know what is meant by the phrase "Glorious Revolution". Occulus Jun 2012 #63
Really it is possible. Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #64
The person who first made the "Glorious revolution" comment didn't know that. Zalatix Jun 2012 #79
Cromwell's civil war, that was easy nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #126
not the OP. he/she is referring to disgusting OP written yesterday, which called 1917 the glorious robinlynne Jun 2012 #111
Hey in the Crystal ball of yours.... trumad Jun 2012 #39
Take off the rose colored blinder glasses and you might be able to see the numbers on TV. Zalatix Jun 2012 #43
Come on now... trumad Jun 2012 #55
You are wearing them now. Zalatix Jun 2012 #59
Dude---- trumad Jun 2012 #66
Dude--- Zalatix Jun 2012 #73
I would say quit while you are ahead trumad NNN0LHI Jun 2012 #61
OH believe me.... trumad Jun 2012 #67
You will never be able claim that I am factually wrong. You have no counter argument. Zalatix Jun 2012 #75
And you will never be able to predict the future. trumad Jun 2012 #85
Well, I just did. And what I said is 100% correct, too. You can't refute anything I said. Zalatix Jun 2012 #86
You have to look at where CleanLucre Jun 2012 #98
You will never claim that I am wrong when I say this, because I am 100% right. Zalatix Jun 2012 #74
i've seen these same tired doomsday predictions for 12 years here. dionysus Jun 2012 #99
Those aren't predictions I posted. Those are historical facts. Zalatix Jun 2012 #102
that sounds CleanLucre Jun 2012 #100
Yep. "Reason" along with "knowledge" appear to be on short supply Number23 Jul 2012 #153
Yet you admit you can't show where I am wrong. Zalatix Jul 2012 #159
you don't have to predict the future CleanLucre Jun 2012 #93
Trumad's *cough* reasoning *cough* is much like this: Zalatix Jun 2012 #110
Nobody accused you of this, dear treestar Jun 2012 #56
HI Sweet Cakes bahrbearian Jun 2012 #65
DU Rec woo me with science Jun 2012 #60
I'd like to look more closely at what happened in the Scandinavian countries Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #70
thank you CleanLucre Jun 2012 #103
I think it's the case with me Lydia Leftcoast Jun 2012 #113
"tension and anxiety and anger" CleanLucre Jun 2012 #114
K & R !!! WillyT Jun 2012 #71
Really excellent post, Zalatix. Zorra Jun 2012 #72
Boy, did Carlin get it spot on much more often than he didn't. Zalatix Jun 2012 #78
If you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone, anyhow MjolnirTime Jun 2012 #77
If you're going to quote Lennon, you should know that he later admitted he regretted those lyrics. white_wolf Jun 2012 #80
Wow. Thanks, I never knew that, w_w. You may find this Rolling Stone interview with John Zorra Jun 2012 #82
he knew CleanLucre Jun 2012 #106
+1 Zorra Jun 2012 #116
hey thanks for that link AsahinaKimi Jun 2012 #124
Oooh, I did not know that. Zalatix Jun 2012 #83
I hardly think you understand the French Revolution nadinbrzezinski Jun 2012 #92
Hey, if I'd been in Russia I'd have joined DevonRex Jun 2012 #104
I think we are too big, to divided and eventually something has to give Marrah_G Jun 2012 #105
For the 500th time !!!!....... RagAss Jun 2012 #118
Ths wouldn't have anything to do with cbrer Jun 2012 #123
Yes, The 1% Plan Is To Make Life So Miserable That The 99% Turn On Each Other cantbeserious Jun 2012 #130
Sarcasm noted. Because the 1% has never done that before in history. Zalatix Jun 2012 #135
Nice post n/t bob4460 Jul 2012 #143
During the end of the Victorian era through all of the Edwardian era LanternWaste Jul 2012 #163
Good thing all of you are here where we can keep an eye on you Capn Sunshine Jul 2012 #166
Tell that lame wisecrack to Anonymous. Zalatix Jul 2012 #167
Anonymouse is already where we can keep an eye on them Capn Sunshine Jul 2012 #168
LOL ROTFLMAO who's "we"? Zalatix Jul 2012 #169
who's going to bring the water? snooper2 Jul 2012 #170
we see stuff going on in Europe--what would trigger that sort of stuff here dembotoz Jul 2012 #171
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