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eniwetok

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Sat Dec 31, 2016, 04:25 PM Dec 2016

How are voters ever to learn to be good citizens in an antidemocratic system? [View all]

There are the obvious problems with antidemocratic government... where representatives of a minority of americans can actually govern. This is the case in the Senate where a mere 18% of the US population gets 52% of the seats... and the Senate no only has a veto over the House but special powers over nominations and treaties. And there are certainly issues of the moral legitimacy of a president when the EC overturns an election an installs a president someone REJECTED by the People. US history can change WITHOUT the consent of the governed.

How, in such a system, can the voters ever own the true consequences of the their vote or learn to be better citizens when the decision making is made by a minority of US citizens or the decision is stripped from them by a mindless, antidemocratic vote rigging scheme?

Key to a functioning democracy is citizen responsibility and our system strips many citizens of this responsibility by denying us true choice in two-party, winner take all elections, and when representation is antidemocratic.

The question is when with Democrats start valuing democracy?

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Let's start with going back to basics Retrograde Dec 2016 #1
Several years back? pangaia Dec 2016 #3
I know the argument... but it's deeply flawed eniwetok Jan 2017 #14
Because deist99 Dec 2016 #2
I have my facts straight... eniwetok Dec 2016 #5
Because otherwise we would have no country at all NobodyHere Dec 2016 #8
And the slave states wouldn't have signed on without provisions protecting slavery. n/t JustinL Dec 2016 #9
Sure... eniwetok Jan 2017 #13
so you agree that the Constitution set the politics of 1787 in cement? eniwetok Jan 2017 #10
You do know how this country was put together right? NobodyHere Dec 2016 #4
Exactly forthemiddle Dec 2016 #6
curious definition of "self-governed" eniwetok Jan 2017 #11
We The People... eniwetok Jan 2017 #12
but the Presidency is a national office JustinL Jan 2017 #17
state vs federal eniwetok Jan 2017 #23
we have to stop being victimized by the politics of 1787 eniwetok Dec 2016 #7
Yup, the popular vote was compromised away eniwetok Jan 2017 #15
Serious change starts at the local level. Initech Jan 2017 #16
the problem with thinking change starts at the local level eniwetok Jan 2017 #25
The vote is lost. For good. You won't get it back with voting. McCamy Taylor Jan 2017 #18
PS Democracy died in 2010 with Citizens United. Most folks just didn't realize it at the time. McCamy Taylor Jan 2017 #19
sorry.... CU may not have mattered eniwetok Jan 2017 #21
Forget democratic, is our government today even representative of the people? ck4829 Jan 2017 #20
the only way government can represent the people eniwetok Jan 2017 #26
teach civics...teach civics...teach civics annabanana Jan 2017 #22
what good is civics if the system is not responsive to the People? eniwetok Jan 2017 #24
The crappy electoral system is the core of the US' political failings: DetlefK Jan 2017 #27
our system can create contempt between natural allies. eniwetok Jan 2017 #28
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