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In reply to the discussion: Should California Threaten Secession To Abolish Electoral College? [View all]eniwetok
(1,629 posts)It's easy to tell when someone has an unspoken position. So you complain that if CA leaves... we'll have GOP president. Yet if we're already getting GOP presidents WITH the EC... obviously there's no level of consistency in your argument.
But now we know what it is. You're a constitutional apologist who's willing to endure all the defects of a system that is failing miserably to provide morally legitimate government. And you just betrayed yourself when you just threw out that old right wing line "we're a republic not a democracy". But pray tell Frankie... WHERE IS IT WRITTEN A REPUBLIC MUST BE ANTIDEMOCRATIC???
And sorry... there's older principles involved here... principles people actually fought and died for...
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.-- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
The Framers weren't slavish adherents to a failing system. The Articles were not just poorly written but there was no way to reform it without unanimous consent. But the Articles reflected the politics of the time. No doubt there were apologists for the Articles Of Confederation making excuses for its failures as you are for this system. And when the Constitution was drafted it reflected the updated politics of that time. Part of those politics was the EC designed to magnify the power of whites in slave states. Are you suggesting we cling to the EC? No, you'll just invent new rationale for it... right?
And yes... there's little chance of changing the system from within. SO WHY ISN'T THAT AN ISSUE BEING DEBATED? Where are the Dems... the party that dares to claim they have something to do with "democracy"? Why aren't they railing about how antidemocratic and reformproof the system is? We don't have a honest debate in this nation because people are like you.