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In reply to the discussion: Should California Threaten Secession To Abolish Electoral College? [View all]pipi_k
(21,020 posts)260. You just don't get it.
I don't like the EC, and NEVER SAID I DID.
And I'm not bashing YOU.
I'm questioning your methods of trying to force its demise.
And I'm not a LIBERAL Democrat.
Wow, talk about someone throwing out red herrings!
I'll repeat...if this issue is that important to you, then you do the work necessary to convince Californians to demand the demise of the EC, and to use the threat of secession as a bargaining weapon.
If your efforts pay off, then you can come back here and bask in the glory accorded to true heroes.
Is there something wrong with that?
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Wouldn't you have to answer those Qs to have said threat taken seriously??
malchickiwick
Dec 2016
#7
So.......what? You're suggesting an empty threat that you don't intend to follow through on?
WillowTree
Dec 2016
#14
Why just California? There can be further negotiations. A divorce, not war.
Missn-Hitch
Dec 2016
#244
Military installations are federal property, Washington isn't going to just let them go...
Marengo
Dec 2016
#39
Pure fantasy, and see post 39 for most likely outcome. After defeat, CA won't have any power...
Marengo
Dec 2016
#61
LOL! Let us know when you will be speaking with Gov Brown, and what his response to your idea
Marengo
Dec 2016
#87
Are you predicting Jay Inslee will threaten secession, and if it comes to that, secession will...
Marengo
Dec 2016
#106
even more importantly. You can't effectively threaten something you can't achieve.
onenote
Dec 2016
#192
California and New York are probably the two states, maybe a couple of others, that ...
brush
Dec 2016
#331
They would damn sure miss our tax dollars. I don't give two shits if they care.
onecaliberal
Dec 2016
#13
While it might work out well for some states like California to secede from the union...
spin
Dec 2016
#30
I understand your point. The problem is that you have to convince those people ...
spin
Dec 2016
#54
They would damn sure miss our ports, food, entertainment, and high tech.
DemocratSinceBirth
Dec 2016
#23
Almost every state is like that first map--blue in urban areas, red in the rural.
yurbud
Dec 2016
#328
a better way to go would be to figure out what those red district people want that fits our values
yurbud
Dec 2016
#329
If Texas were not in the union, Hillary would have won by 2 votes in the Electoral College.
pnwmom
Dec 2016
#357
Yep! Conservative activist living in Russia and opened a CA "embassy" in Russia
Madam45for2923
Dec 2016
#41
If as you admit secession isn't the point, how does threatening secession accomplish anything
onenote
Dec 2016
#216
and give repubs a head start on every singe presidential election? no thanks. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#154
EC reform is the unobtainable goal; red states will NEVER go for it, because it benefits them,
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#274
reading comprehension; didn't say we can't ever win or haven't ever won; what i said
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#299
um, yes, because we have more HUMAN democratic voters there; small states get more EC votes per HUMA
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#338
In case you don't remember the courts dismantled the voting rights act in 2013.
pnwmom
Dec 2016
#358
gerrymandering wasn't a factor in Trump vote, voter suppression certainly was.
eniwetok
Dec 2016
#369
I think replacing Social Security and Medicare would be more easily accomplished if CA left
nbsmom
Dec 2016
#296
possession is 9/10 of the law, and what "grid" are you talking about? sure, there would need
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#160
ok, well, they better start building some power plants. it's not impossible. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#275
i fully understand that; it's not going to happen tomorrow, but it is possible. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#300
And as as a newly minted country your credit to fund such projects is extreamly limited.
oneshooter
Dec 2016
#318
you seriously think the law matters in this country? it's might makes right, unfortunately. in any c
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#277
Gee. Small countries wouldn't survive if they were subject to trade embargoes.
onenote
Dec 2016
#308
well, that's a big "if." i suppose we could just nuke small countries tomorrow... maybe trump will..
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#340
you're the one who's got to be kiiding; you think CA is a free-loader on this country? nt
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#279
What if it encourages the the rest of the West Coast and blue East Coast to secede?
DemocratSinceBirth
Dec 2016
#28
i think it would be great; are you seriously worried that we wouldn't be "the greatest" anymore?
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#280
Don't fall for this ruse! Right wing activist living in Russia started this
Madam45for2923
Dec 2016
#44
LOL! Again: From His Home in Russia, #Calexit Leader Plots California Secession
Madam45for2923
Dec 2016
#70
I guess now that the Electoral College is voting, some people will need a new fantasy idea...
brooklynite
Dec 2016
#66
with that kind of small thinking, we would still be a part of great britain. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#147
"....protect itself from Mexico who would probably sacrifice a LOT to annex California."
EX500rider
Dec 2016
#80
Not necessarily true....when the Soviet Union broke up everyone kept what was on their soil..
EX500rider
Dec 2016
#134
You are talking about California Secession also! Am mentioning facts about the leader of Cal-exit
Madam45for2923
Dec 2016
#89
agreed, especially since the system benefits repugs and they know it. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#341
the EC *is* the problem; it gives repubs a built in advantage, and that is not going to change.
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#281
you are totally missing my (and others') point; yes, voter suppression, russian interference
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#298
i'm not willing to just accept a permanent disadvantage; repubs will NEVER accept any modification o
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#306
of course it's reasonable, but have you met republicans lately? this country will go down in flames
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#342
speak for yourself. i have never opposed secession for any state that chooses it. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#151
and the US is 3 times the size it was then; it NEEDS to break up at this point. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#152
absolutely, or simply refuse to comply with fed dictates that go against the will of the people. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#130
i support secession, not just the threat of it, but it seems like nullification might be more possib
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#157
well, that's up to the citizens of Calitopia, going forward. yes i'm sure it's unconstitutional, but
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#282
There's a bunch of folks who should take up writing sci-fi novels. There's more people in Calif....
Hekate
Dec 2016
#139
We have a better chance of being hit by lightning than this being an option..
Uggwearingdad
Dec 2016
#155
with that kind of small thinking, we would still be a part of great britain. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#166
It's been read thourghly...it's a not well thought out idea...even a threat of leaving...
Uggwearingdad
Dec 2016
#196
I never once claimed it would start a Civil War...you seem to be the 1 not reading
Uggwearingdad
Dec 2016
#186
I'm sorry..did you miss the fact that the post you C&P'd was a QUESTION to your..
Uggwearingdad
Dec 2016
#314
No..I never did......I asked a question....based on a reference to the Revolution...
Uggwearingdad
Dec 2016
#335
"I completely disagree that this would start a civil war" - of course not, because like Texas...
PoliticAverse
Dec 2016
#211
1. other states could go with them. 2. seriously doubt red staters would risk their own lives to sto
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#273
Secession would require either a Constintutional ammendment, or a civil war.
still_one
Dec 2016
#156
It would be argued that after the Civil War the states entered into an indissoluble
still_one
Dec 2016
#171
Good point, but if we do it, we might want to do it while the SC is still 4 + 4
still_one
Dec 2016
#180
correct; it is not prohibited; the founding documents of this country specifically provide for the p
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#284
living in it and changing it are not mutually exclusive, but thanks for the negativity. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#307
hey, if making threats without any intention of following through can be effective
onenote
Dec 2016
#194
The people, not the states or the cities, will matter if the election is by popular vote.
MovingForward2020
Dec 2016
#227
Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.
deaniac21
Dec 2016
#241
If California left the US, there would never be another Dem president. Not without
frankieallen
Dec 2016
#243
reform? the basic structure of our government? We are not a democracy, we are a representative
frankieallen
Dec 2016
#262
I'm not going to waste my time, there is so many twisted and false points in your post, I would not
frankieallen
Dec 2016
#368
well, if ALL the blue states left, they wouldn't have much of a country to be president of. nt
TheFrenchRazor
Dec 2016
#343
so you think you can discredit an idea by attacking the person who suggests it...
eniwetok
Dec 2016
#374
Dear, you haven't seem me pick a fight. I went easy on you, because it seemed to be unfair not to.
X_Digger
Dec 2016
#360
You keep saying that.."Red Herring Alert!"....it's you doing red herrings
Uggwearingdad
Dec 2016
#344
Have you presented this idea to Gov. Brown yet? If so, what was his response. If not, why not?
Marengo
Dec 2016
#365
Red states would let CA secede in order to solidify power over the remaining states.
LonePirate
Dec 2016
#377