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In reply to the discussion: LUV capitalism!!! Study shows hyper-sexualization of women by the media has increased 10 fold... [View all]whathehell
(29,095 posts)132. I have only one quibble with your post
"Women are objects to be bought and sold, for the delectation of men".
Women were never "objects"...They have always been people.
I think that distinction is important....After all, African-American Slaves were "objects to be bought and sold",
may have been TREATED as such, but that was not the reality.
They, like women, were perceived as such, but the situation ended
with laws and a changing social environment.
Women's legal status as 2nd class citizens or "slaves in all but name" changed starting
with suffrage and continuing on with equal opportunity laws.
Unfortunately, the "social environment" has not changed for women, IMO,
as much as it has for minority males.
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Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
OP
Quite. It was no surprise to me. One would have to be an idiot to not notice...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#13
Phony statistical quantifications of bs terms like "hypersexualization" AREN'T 'science' at all.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#211
"As it turns out...." Um, I'm not a puppet on the end of your wrist.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#347
I'm not condemning the whole field. As I said downthread, I think sociology is a useful lens through
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#346
It's striking because they made up the criteria and then -surprise- found a 'striking' increse in it
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#380
The Kardashians ARE part of the media. We wouldn't even know who they are without the media.
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#6
there is a better way. we had it for a little while until we went to pornification and girls/women
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#142
i get it. you are part of the asshole group. and you wear it with pride. i hear ya.....
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#167
i dont know why you put you in quotes, but, i am glad you did not think i was being mean. nt
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#198
If I posted Denis Leary's "I'm an asshole" in the "assholes check in thread"
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#201
i dont give a shit what you buy. it is really not about rolling stone. but no surprise
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#206
hey, i am sorry you can't get no... satisfaction. hey hey hey..... i know you have tried and tried
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#215
each one of my words is a multi-faceted font of wisdom pearls which operates on multiple levels
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#219
I'm not for prudery or "sticky" and I think you know that...Good try, though n/t
whathehell
Dec 2011
#186
I'm sure it's way easier if you're fielding a whole shitload of paddles.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#396
Seems to me like you need to either write a book on this or teach a class
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#74
Draining and infuriating. I get pissed off when I see women pornified in magazines, TV and movies
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#136
Is Rolling Stone now a adequate scientific proxy for "the media" or "capitalism"?
cthulu2016
Dec 2011
#5
not only empowering, but an excitement and titillation at seeing 2 hour and 45 minute of violence
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#21
I'm embarrassed at my ignorance but I don't know what The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo is about...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#26
why give them the money empowering hollywood to use explicit graphic drawn out rape of women as
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#30
I seldom watch American movies because they lend themselves to the degradation of women...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#51
Yes. European movies such as the "Irreversible" or "Tie Me Up, Tie Me Down" show rape the right way
Snake Alchemist
Dec 2011
#102
You assume I watch everything. However, Hollywood's plastic, surgically-altered idiotic female
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#107
Indy movies are wonderful! And they use actors that are not the typical Barbie-cookie-cutter
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#123
What is a multi-directional DVD player? I've got to have one if it can get all
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#218
Yes, Hollywood does ruin things. I recently took my niece - she's 11 - to see Breaking Dawn, the
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#155
Vulgar, and not at all like the book. I'm not saying the book was a classic...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#262
It's not an article. It's the complete, published study, if you desire to examine it. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#117
So someone who has defined "sexualization" and "objectification"- two totally subjective, bs terms-
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#158
" We keep churning out degrees in crap like "sociology" when we should be teaching students math"
Hissyspit
Dec 2011
#235
"pornified."says it all. this is what we do to our women and girls today. and IF
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#16
Yeah, don't you love it? Automatically 2 or 3 guys that love the pornification of women cry and
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#20
I never thought about it, that homophobia and sexism could go hand in hand. I suppose the same
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#282
and I think the people who get all angry over depictions of hetero sex are bugged by gay sex too.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#302
Toddlers and tiaras takes the pornification to women all the way to the level of little girls - sick
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#22
damn that is good. i was listening to a poster saying women leave the house to be looked at.
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#44
These would probably be the same people who think women BREATHE for them. n/t
whathehell
Dec 2011
#125
PeaceNikki, I'm with you too. You're right. This bullshit needs to be stopped.
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#46
Well, two things. It is Rolling stone and women have more sexual parts than men
The Straight Story
Dec 2011
#25
In many ways, capitalism has made women's magazines even more nefarious since they are propaganda
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#79
I'm going to post about that. :) Are women who run around half naked, surgically-altered, and
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#115
Bullshit.....Sarah I. is correct....Rolling Stone is about MUSIC, it's not a "men's magazine". n/t
whathehell
Dec 2011
#126
1 study in the 80's with questionairre proved that out hence, it becomes fact. NOT reality.
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#38
Thanks, lapislzi. Capitalism is the culprit here. It sells everything, people's lives, people's
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#40
It's always the bottom line, and increasing profits till they blow up into the stratosphere. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#42
Thanks, MuseRider. It might not make a huge difference now, but if all of us start to mention this
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#45
Muse, I get very frustrated too. It's hard to discuss something that is so pervasive, and be told
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#62
Rolling Stone was used in this study, but honestly, they could've taken any magazine at all...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#52
Oh yes. Myriad articles telling women "how to give him better orgasms" and "how to look like a Ho"
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#63
I wonder if that indeed is a cause or an effect of Madison Avenue's branding
LanternWaste
Dec 2011
#54
That's exactly it, and capitalism is raking in the dough now by degrading women. On the other hand
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#69
Hmm... good question! I think what's going on right now is unbridled capitalism
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#90
yep, objectification of the attractive female form is embedded deeply. Madison Avenue is made up
BlancheSplanchnik
Dec 2011
#97
Yes, absolutely, to the suggestion that women are pushed to triumph only via their looks
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#147
It makes money. If you put a naked woman in front of a man, he'll spend money on it...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#65
It is. As long as men have sperm, they will be creating daughters, and it'd be good if they were
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#75
but what it does to men is take them away from their authentic self and creates a caricature
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#76
That's true too. It draws them as a mindless penis. Men are beautiful souls and capitalism gives
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#82
Sorry, "Mindless Penis" is my band name, and I have trademarked its usage.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#203
I'm not derailing anything. I'm objecting to the quantification of so-called "hyper-sexualization"
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#299
Oh, and I work for Rolling Stone, and I'm terrifed that objections from a few DU members
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#300
"effects" like "I am harmed by the presence of a semi-naked human on a magazine cover"?
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#307
and can you consider that this is yet another exercise in 'Merkin moral panic
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#312
how about you post a link to the 'science' showing 'harm' from erotic images
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#327
you mean like arguing that 'pornification' makes breastfeeding less acceptable
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#326
that would be lying on your part. you leave out the issue of that thread. PUBLIC
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#328
passing that off as a quote of mine? you quote it, put it in italics? that is beyond what i expect
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#350
quotes and italics is a paraphrase to you? and it was not a parahrase. it was made up and wrong
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#352
it could, but there's no evidence it does. Because we are complex creatures who can walk & chew gum.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#344
Ah, the old "go find it yourself". Bullshit. The "studies" are bogus "science" which is then used to
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#364
Right. Again, another case of "I know what I know, because I know it"... except that's not science.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#372
it is also way ahead of the curve in a patriarchal misogynist society. so? nt
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#57
Mexico is what I view as a perfect capitalistic society - anything goes - mass poverty, mega-wealthy
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#71
I stopped buying Rolling Stone YEARS ago, because of their brazen imbalance
BlancheSplanchnik
Dec 2011
#86
Let me ask you a question. Have you noticed an increase in shows about women tortured to death?
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#98
We could start a whole new discussion thread about the link between porn and violence*
lapislzi
Dec 2011
#106
Yes! It would get crazy. the same 3 or 4 guys would be all nervous and jittery, proclaiming we are
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#135
sort of like how people would freak out over a thread saying abortion=breast cancer
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#170
as the race driver said... nasty. think when a woman sticks tits out for him, he is saying nasty?
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#306
funny, I'm in favor of breastfeeding AND I'm not mad about sex in magazines
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#309
hubby and i went thru this thread this morning. got a chuckle at some of it.
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#391
as a matter of fact,this morning i asked if he wanted to check out du. there are forums he would
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#401
hm... well, if you ever got out of the sex threads, you would hear plenty over the years
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#403
did the study suggest they never sexualize men? i think not. i believe your argument is a strawman
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#404
"many of the reasons for not breastfeeding are linked to the sexualization of breasts" - um, ok
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#308
Marginalization and contempt toward anything female is a good way to put it.
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#122
Same to you! I think you must be an instructor on the topic, or a writer! nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#145
Sign language interpreters rock. I attended a wedding with a sign language interpreter.
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#284
Here are just a few of many. Also note one that *directly* corrects your impression:
BlancheSplanchnik
Dec 2011
#138
You're right that it's said better bad publicity than none at all, HOWEVER, it is possible to label
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#114
separate themselves from the oppressed group and be accepted as part of the positive majority
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#120
That explains Bobble Head Women perfectly. They want to side with what they interpret as 'victors'
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#128
If you adore men, well, I know some feminists who would negatively criticize you for that.
Quartermass
Dec 2011
#129
and i do not know a single feminist that would have an issue with adoring men. especially as many
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#131
Nothing more wonderful than a male body, is there? If there is, I don't know it!
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#133
You should read Valeri Solanas's Scum Manifesto. That's the kind of thing I've often encountered.
Quartermass
Dec 2011
#137
You are aware that pretty much nobody takes Valerie Solanas, a mentally ill woman, seriously
REP
Dec 2011
#225
Yeah, and I knew this guy once who couldn't trust anything that bled every month and didn't die
REP
Dec 2011
#228
There's a culture thing, yes, but capitalism just drives it in, seals it, makes it solid. The media
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#104
Eh. India, for all its different religious viewpoints, is still a very religious country.
randome
Dec 2011
#127
Anything more specific would be off-topic, but I hope the Trend will quickly become visible.
Fire Walk With Me
Dec 2011
#175
Scary to me too, and it is dysfunctional. Thank you for pointing that out. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#119
you got it right on. the issue here, is one gender may feel they have a oneupmanship
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#124
Do you wear cleavage around your groin when you go out, so women can feast themselves on peeking
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#157
My wife & I saw quite possibly the longest penis shot I've ever seen in a motion picture last night
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#161
I'll say it again: This is why we're getting our ass kicked by China and India. We churn out degrees
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#160
Economic demand for engineers is finite, just like the demand for everything else
Hippo_Tron
Dec 2011
#406
And what is the demand for studies quantifying "hyper-sexualization" in Rolling Stone covers?
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#407
I agree wholeheartedly with your last sentence, and think that's absolutely what we should do.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#411
Again, there aren't a lot of jobs with 17th century French Poetry as a pre-requisite
Hippo_Tron
Dec 2011
#412
well, except maybe the posts of beavis and butthead. i am assuming that is who a poster
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#177
yes. and they have quite a nationwide scam for young hot chicks and really stupid
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#207
I think the word "hypersexualized" was made up expressly for the purpose of this one "study"
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#202
Like I said upthread, it's by sociologists, for sociology professors, teaching sociology students
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#249
Funny how your comments all through this thread sound almost exactly like GOP Florida Governor Rick
Hissyspit
Dec 2011
#255
Whatever. Sociology- which I studied in school myself- is a useful lens through which to look.
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#293
Even trying to lodge that objection seems useless. People know what they know, and they're gonna be
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2011
#301
It's sad that little girls think dressing up like something out of Cosmopolitan is just fine...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#273
the parents say no. i had one mom tell me, all the girls do it, how can i say no
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#274
I'd venture to say that some in here get defensive every time a feminist speaks...
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#319
Oh, absolutely! I call them Bobble Head Women. They nod to anything their man says
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#321
If a space alien watched TV in the US for four hours, he would conclude we sell three things....
Scuba
Dec 2011
#261
EXACTLY. American TV is geared to males, and not to the wise ones, either! nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#265
Yes, however, this is also true: Why would a woman want to buy a product, if it weren't:
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#288
It sure does. Capitalism is not about love, goodness, fairness, or helping. Only $$$$$.
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#292
IMO this is why I often wonder if the "sexual revolution" was a complete disaster.
Odin2005
Dec 2011
#334
misogynist "woman as virgin" meme to the equally misogynist "woman as whore"
seabeyond
Dec 2011
#336
Being prudish. But the problem lies with the media, TV, Hollywood, comics, videogames
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#343
You're so right. Women continue to be placed in the role of either virgins or whores
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#395
Yes indeed, but all in the name of capitalism. Capitalism has no soul, and is amoral. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Dec 2011
#394