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davekriss

(4,836 posts)
31. Thank you for your point of view
Sun Aug 21, 2016, 05:20 PM
Aug 2016

1) While it is true that prey animals have lived in terror since they first crawled out of the primordial goo, I am free to choose not to contribute to it. Call it a loving gesture to the universe for evolving a sense of compassion and choice.

Also I have almost no issue with hunting (though it's not for me). My post really was in response to the one above about the cruelty of factory farming. It is truly evil what these animals are subjected to before losing their lives to end up on our plates.

2) I can't agree to an argument that we should treat other feeling, sentient creatures to the cruelty of factory farming because it is efficient nor because they'd "go extinct in many areas" if we didn't enable their births and protect them for (in the case of cattle) the 6 to 9 months the factory farm lets them live.

You also actually didn't address the point in my second bullet, which is eating factory farm animal flesh is ecologically more costly than eating (even if only a lot more often) down the food chain. As a primer, let me suggest a documentary, Cowspiracy.

3) I also don't agree we could argue endlessly about the health benefits of vegetarianism over the fatty protein rich American diet. I acknowledge, though, that by eating deer you are eating a healthier meat (less hormones and antibiotics as well as less fat).

I would never hunt. Just not my style. But I neither intend to shame someone else for doing so nor tell them to stop. As long as they eat what they kill. A Buddhist author I read when a kid who was a meat eater pointed out that the universe seemed to stumble on the formula that to live means to kill. It's ok. But some of us choose not to participate in it.

(Another good primer: Forks over knives.)

Thanks for sharing. EL34x4 Aug 2016 #1
I'm more horrified by eating factory farmed animals that are tortured their entire lives mucifer Aug 2016 #2
+1 jonno99 Aug 2016 #3
Hunters go into the habitant of their prey and murder animals who may be raising their children patsimp Aug 2016 #6
My old boss was a trophy hunter citood Aug 2016 #7
Then it really is much less cruel than what goes on here. mucifer Aug 2016 #8
so elephants, Giraffes, leopards, rhinos, tigers, lions are being killed by the locals for their patsimp Aug 2016 #9
He never killed anything that big citood Aug 2016 #11
One BIG difference, Deer are not an endangered species MiniMe Aug 2016 #14
deer are alive. how someone can look at a beautiful deer and then pull a trigger to kill it is patsimp Aug 2016 #19
I don't hunt MiniMe Aug 2016 #22
I understand the feeling, but the population explodes sometimes. Buckeye_Democrat Aug 2016 #32
Are you vegan? nt awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #34
Yes and I agree completely with #19. nt Doremus Aug 2016 #47
I can respect that opinion from a vegan awoke_in_2003 Aug 2016 #48
Once upon a time I was an omni who shared #19's opinion. Doremus Aug 2016 #50
My late husband was a bow hunter Mojorabbit Aug 2016 #52
I've raised baby chicks, piglets and calves from birth to slaughter. They were alive at one point NickB79 Aug 2016 #63
Sometimes they are killed for crop/livestock destruction. Can you believe that? Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #27
While yet other times animals are killed merely for the entertainment killing brings. LanternWaste Aug 2016 #41
There are mixed reasons for hunting, adventure and "fun" among them. They are NOT disqualifiers. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #46
No doubt some have little interest in he meat, but there is little evidence of waste... Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #54
Eleanor Roosevelt saidsimplesimon Aug 2016 #51
I can't give you a source as to whether she hunted or not... Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #53
Protein is a scare resource in Africa, MicaelS Aug 2016 #29
And farmers plow under the habitat and confine animals for slaughter NickB79 Aug 2016 #13
I hear what you're saying but land development does far more damage to habitat than farming in our Doremus Aug 2016 #49
I would disagree with that statement, in my experience. NickB79 Aug 2016 #66
I'd love them to plow under all the development here in the last 20 years Doremus Aug 2016 #69
I absolutely agree! davekriss Aug 2016 #15
Respectfully, I take issue... Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #28
Thank you for your point of view davekriss Aug 2016 #31
I appreciate your views as well, and tend to agree with you about livestock costs... Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #56
There are extremes in any group. LWolf Aug 2016 #4
. MohRokTah Aug 2016 #5
What gave it away...the "raising their children" part....LOL ileus Aug 2016 #24
Admit I am dense sometimes. MicaelS Aug 2016 #25
Trophy hunting is gross jcgoldie Aug 2016 #10
I have a small farm and for decades didn't allow hunting here csziggy Aug 2016 #21
Maybe you should reconsider what trophy hunting is to most people... Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #30
A big rack isn't necessarily from an old deer Red Mountain Aug 2016 #58
I agree. Antler restrictions are rather sloppy, but it beats "any buck" hunting. Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #61
Let's make a differentiation between hunting and trophy hunting. NT Adrahil Aug 2016 #12
There IS a difference. Avalux Aug 2016 #17
hear, hear. Adrahil Aug 2016 #20
If you kill a bear with a spear, frankieallen Aug 2016 #16
go at it with bare hands if he's not a coward. patsimp Aug 2016 #18
Trying to take down a bear with bare hands is not a display of lack of cowardice... beevul Aug 2016 #35
and killing one is not sport - its disgusting patsimp Aug 2016 #36
Thats your opinion. beevul Aug 2016 #42
no that your opinion. patsimp Aug 2016 #43
I never looked at it as a sport. Go Vols Aug 2016 #60
My 11yo son just laid out a pound of ground venison. ileus Aug 2016 #23
K&R How about Trump defending hunting and killing endangered species? Jeffersons Ghost Aug 2016 #26
disgusting cowards patsimp Aug 2016 #44
our ancestors sweetapogee Aug 2016 #33
I think trophy hunting is silly hollowdweller Aug 2016 #37
Unless you're a vegan you don't get to complain. Codeine Aug 2016 #38
Different experiences for different people. Such is life (and death) and how one relates to it all. jmg257 Aug 2016 #39
What's the "more"? Marengo Aug 2016 #40
Are you aware that hunting licenses and equipment help pay for conservation? alarimer Aug 2016 #45
murdering animals is not jusfiable. And i haven't seen proof of this just hunters patsimp Aug 2016 #57
They don't have to justify it to you MicaelS Aug 2016 #59
Trying to justify it is silly...just say they like hunting jmg257 Aug 2016 #62
Without the money hunters pay for land conservation, who do you think would conserve land? NickB79 Aug 2016 #64
They'd be funded by smug self-righteousness, obviously. Orrex Aug 2016 #68
Harambe AngryAmish Aug 2016 #55
I love that we have vegans GulfCoast66 Aug 2016 #65
I can't even look. I assume you mean "big game hunting" of endangered species Quantess Aug 2016 #67
You are in error: Eleanors38 Aug 2016 #70
I see nothing wrong with hunting for food bigwillq Aug 2016 #71
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