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UnrepentantLiberal

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12. Mitt Romney and the Mormon Religion
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 10:10 AM
Jun 2012

(Don't know what this website is.)

By Bludwiczak

Mitt cannot ignore the Elephant in the Room

As Mitt Romney gets ever closer to winning the republican nomination, it surprising that many media sources are ignoring or lacking in coverage of how Mitt's Mormon religion will affect his chances in the general election this November. The scattered media attention the issue does get generally shows a negative bias against that American voters have against the Mormon church, but this does not necessarily entail that Romney cannot win the race. Similar to how John F. Kennedy won against a perceived bias against catholics in 1960, and how Barack Obama won against a perceived bias against African Americans in 2008, Mitt will have to overcome a great bias against the Mormon church in the 2012 electorate. Mitt will have to run an enthusiastic campaign showing great charisma (the way Kennedy and Obama did) to get people to move past the Mormon issue and onto more important issue. However, despite all of the hope and possibility that personal religion won't affect the November election, it is impossible to ignore the fact that Mitt being a Mormon will not greatly affect his chances, and it's almost guaranteed to be in a negative way.

The Mormon Religion in Opinion Polling

Numbers don't lie. And in politics, this means that public opinion polls are a highly efficient method to gather data on voter views. Recent polling data on the Mormon Religion in politics is, as expected, quite negative. In a series of polls taken last month asking if voters would feel "uncomfortable" with a Mormon as president the results sent a consistent message. These results by poll were: The Mason-Dixon Poll (28%) Public Institute Research Poll (40%) and a Quinnipiac Poll (34%). A second question posed in a Gallup Poll found that 22% of those asked would not support any Presidential candidate who is a mormon. Polling data done by The Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life in late November found that 24% had negative views of Mormonism, with 15% of evangelicals saying that they would not vote for a Mormon, many of them characterizing it is as being non-Christian. Despite all these negatives the Pew Forum polls found one positive number for Romney, as only 8% of likely republican voters polled said that the Mormon issue was significant enough for them to considering not voting Republican. Meaning that even though more than a quarter of the electorate is against Mormonism in almost all polls, most Republicans consider it a much less important issue than beating Obama.

Why the American Public Holds Negative Views on Mormons

After reading polling numbers, and having a general sense of how people feel, it is pretty clear that the majority of American voters simply don't like the Mormon Religion. So the questions become what is it that people don't like about the religion? and how does this affect the election? The first thing many don't like about Mormonism is that they are extremely conservative and traditional, wearing their religion on their sleeves and chastising other Christian religions. The former would seem to push away the liberal vote, while the latter would push away the conservative vote. A second negative view that the public holds against mormonism is the notion that they practice polygamy (which is actually incorrect because it was outlawed by the church in 1890). Polling shows that 86% of people are not sure if Mormons practice polygamy, showing that most people don't know a whole lot about the religion. Regardless, the notion of polygamy is going to cost Romney votes, as a majority of both conservatives and liberals do not support polygamy. A third issue that America has against Mormons is their perceived racism. African Americans were not allowed priesthood in their church from 1852 to 1978. This affects a great deal of people, and those sensitive on the race issue already have a strong reason to vote for Obama. Perhaps most important are the actual issues within Christianity that paint Mormons negatively. So many things that Mormons believe are not views shared by other Christians. Lastly, and not to be forgotten are that the atheists, agnostics, and non-religious vote that simply does not want a president brining faith into the office. This group is much less likely to vote for a Mormon than a non-religious candidate.

The Money Factor

After a high public demand for Mitt Romney to show his tax returns from recent years, many people are surprised over the amount he has given to the tax-deductible Mormon Church. Mormons are required to tithe 10% of their income to the church, which Romney topped by giving over $4.1 million in straight donations over two years to the Mormon church, and several million more in 2010/2011 to charity, resulting in roughly 16% of his income over those two years. By contrast, Obama has figured to have given about 14% of his income to charities over the past two years. The strong level of donations by Mitt, much higher than his chief Republican rival Newt Gingrich may actually win some religious voters over. His large donations do show his commitment to his faith.

More: http://bludwiczak.hubpages.com/hub/Mitt-Romney-and-the-Mormon-Religion-The-Elephant-in-the-Room

A Mormon is not a Christian... [View all] rfranklin Jun 2012 OP
This post would be better placed in the Religion Group. MineralMan Jun 2012 #1
Ugg trumad Jun 2012 #2
Brilliantly said. nt MineralMan Jun 2012 #3
Yeah---I see you're back in full concern mode.... trumad Jun 2012 #5
Correct on all counts. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #7
The article mentions Mitt Romney... rfranklin Jun 2012 #4
Bingo trumad Jun 2012 #6
I agree. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #8
I doubt it will be much of an issue with the RW christian set Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #14
OK. Do you know much about right wing religoius people? Do you know that Beck is also LDS? Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #70
I thought I was explicit in my point that RW Christians listen to Beck despite his Mormonism Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #78
While the article at the link mentioned Romney, MineralMan Jun 2012 #120
I disagree. Mitt Romney's religion and people's reactions to it are highly political this year. yardwork Jun 2012 #58
Just posted it in Good Reads because it IS one, elleng Jun 2012 #90
Yes, but how many angels does each side think can dance on the head of a pin? GodlessBiker Jun 2012 #9
Nope... trumad Jun 2012 #10
From your keyboard to Whoever's ears! Bake Jun 2012 #15
Fostering bigotry and religious intolerance for political gain on a Progressive board Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #17
Good point. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #19
Good for you. Bake Jun 2012 #20
Are you saying the President has nothing else to run-on except appeals to bigotry? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #21
No, I'm NOT saying that. Bake Jun 2012 #28
(2) They may find it creepy but they also like Glen Beck Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #38
Politics is a nasty business. Bake Jun 2012 #48
You're everything you pretend to despise in RWers Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #53
Fine. We disagree on tactics. Bake Jun 2012 #56
Calling religion idiotic isn't bigotry, it's spreading the truth.. snooper2 Jun 2012 #23
Judging from Bake's posts Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #27
Who the hell is "fostering bigotry?" Bake Jun 2012 #32
And you apparently love it. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #41
He went to SCHOOL. Was it a Madrassa? Bake Jun 2012 #51
It doesn't matter Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #55
Ah, so you are claiming falsehood and truth have equal standing. That's common among the Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #62
Truth schmuth. Winning is all that matters. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #73
I'm Reminded of the New.... WiffenPoof Jun 2012 #46
Ahhh you're one of those play nice Progressives.... trumad Jun 2012 #39
No. I'm a progresive who believes bigotry is bad Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #43
No---you're one of those play nice progressives..... trumad Jun 2012 #50
THANK YOU! Bake Jun 2012 #54
You left out Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #57
Nice try, but the difference is that the blood libels were LIES. The beliefs and history Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #63
Who cares so long as it works. That's what we're being told here. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #65
Uh...this a political website, not some ecumenical seminar Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #69
Nice strawman... trumad Jun 2012 #84
If it helps you win, why not? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #92
There are a thousand reasons to criticize Romeny Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #67
No---but Joe Smith the Con man... trumad Jun 2012 #85
His adherence to the doctrines of his cult are one of the thousand reasons to criticize him. GoneOffShore Jun 2012 #87
Whose cult? Mitt Romney's or Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #96
Mormonism as a cult - GoneOffShore Jun 2012 #103
Religion absolutely is on the table. Daemonaquila Jun 2012 #97
They are already Bigots, and will probably not change bahrbearian Jun 2012 #64
Well, since the RW Christians have no problem listening to Glen Beck Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #68
They think that Mormons are Christians, we can educate them a little. Progressive are for education. bahrbearian Jun 2012 #74
It is time to foster intolerance of religion, when religion is used for oppression. Daemonaquila Jun 2012 #102
As this thread so sadly demonstrates -- Bigotry is not the exclusive domain of the religious or RW Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #104
The GOP pits the Baptist African American church against the LGBT community. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #110
And fostering homophobia -- another form of bigotry -- is wrong. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #112
Except I did not advocate "fostering homophobia" in any way. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #113
I didn't say you did. I said fostering religious bigotry is the same as fostering Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #114
Oh spare me. JoePhilly Jun 2012 #116
Oh spare me Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #117
You don't think he is getting that treatment? JoePhilly Jun 2012 #118
Two wrongs make you a right-winger Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #119
He's not JUST a Mormon. He did his door hassling in FRANCE. WingDinger Jun 2012 #61
Their desire to dictate policy overwhelms any supposed religious views they may have... Bandit Jun 2012 #49
I am much more concerned about this . . . siligut Jun 2012 #11
It will only turn to vengeance if they get power. Bake Jun 2012 #16
Mitt Romney and the Mormon Religion UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #12
You are absolutely correct,l and I hammer home that point when talking to believers Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #13
'I don't believe in Leprachauns, I believe in Gnomes'. Marr Jun 2012 #18
As the old Socialist refrain had it: "There'll be pie in the sky\When coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #81
Acrimonious "niggling"? Do you really need to use a word whose first 4 letters Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #22
You forgot the sarcasm icon (I hope) Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #24
That word is in the op-ed that was excerpted. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #25
Thanks. But I'm disappointed in the NY Times for allowing this word. Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #30
I got in huge war in Meta over the use of the word niggardly. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #37
Of course. Like "Niger" should be referred to as "the country bordering Algeria and Libya" Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #45
I'd use Niger. It's the name of a country. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #52
If you don't like Niger, LibertyLover Jun 2012 #75
I love it. I'm helping one of their Generals transfer $120 million to this country, Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #93
That is wonderful - LibertyLover Jun 2012 #107
There is nothing wrong with the word. mlevans Jun 2012 #80
I know that. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #91
It's not The Post; the assumption is that The Times readership is educated enough... Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #59
Excuse me, do you know about dictionary.com?? Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2012 #134
OK Sentath Jun 2012 #60
Hush now. You're exposing the 'chink' in his armor :) - n/t coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #82
Excuse me, do you know about dictionary.com?? Manifestor_of_Light Jun 2012 #133
David Frum has a Newsweek puff piece about how Romney's cult membership Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #26
When it comes down to it, most people vote deaniac21 Jun 2012 #29
No. Debating which exact version of Jesus Christ Romney believes in Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #33
OK, you won me over! deaniac21 Jun 2012 #36
it's one of the fucking debates in this war... trumad Jun 2012 #42
Well, they're certainly not Hindus. surrealAmerican Jun 2012 #31
OT, but there has been speculation that Jesus the Nazarene may have travelled to coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #83
Who gives two shits what "Mormons" are or are not? Spoonman Jun 2012 #34
But.... but.... Holy Ghost! ... Nicene Creed! ..... Divinity of Jesus!...... Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #40
Hell, I'm not even thinking about any of that serious stuff. Rozlee Jun 2012 #72
And that's all that need be said. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2012 #47
The monster that is Mormonism already turned on my people with politics drenched in their faith. Bluenorthwest Jun 2012 #76
To be fair, other monsters that are more "mainstream" Xtian have also turned on our side. Arugula Latte Jun 2012 #130
I've talked to several conservative Christians who feel that Mormonism ... spin Jun 2012 #35
Again--- trumad Jun 2012 #44
While I do not blindly embrace "end justifies means" arguments, in coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #88
Excellent post trumad Jun 2012 #89
Thanks. I grew up among these evangelical and charismatic coalition_unwilling Jun 2012 #95
Who cares whether it is or isn't? MadHound Jun 2012 #66
I am child of the Universe nolabels Jun 2012 #71
This guy cites Richard Land Aerows Jun 2012 #77
More than likely he is actually citing whoever Land plagiarized Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #122
lol! fishwax Jun 2012 #132
Hey! A tomato is not a vegetable. eShirl Jun 2012 #79
Close enough RZM Jun 2012 #86
The whole 'Joseph Smith' thing cries to me false idol LynneSin Jun 2012 #94
And the whole "Muhammad" thing, too (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #100
Muhammad has been around alot longer and is based on the same first 5 books of the bible we use LynneSin Jun 2012 #105
First of all: Who is we? JackRiddler Jun 2012 #127
Why, then, the name "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"? KamaAina Jun 2012 #98
Well, it's all to do with the Nicene Creed and the Holy Ghost. Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #99
Some Protestants reject the Nicene Creed KamaAina Jun 2012 #101
Unitarians do not consider Bohunk68 Jun 2012 #109
Some of the old-line UUs do KamaAina Jun 2012 #111
Uh...Maybe because Smith was hustling Americans and Europeans? Tom Ripley Jun 2012 #106
When is the candidate's religion relevant and The Second Stone Jun 2012 #108
Mormons believe that (Mormon) people become gods, like God. That is worshiping false gods if you are McCamy Taylor Jun 2012 #115
I don't care whether or not a Mormon is a Christian ... Martin Eden Jun 2012 #121
If a Muslim was running for office Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #123
Are you a Mormon? UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #128
The "Holy Trinity" is what should be addressed here Motown_Johnny Jun 2012 #124
I'm sure Jim Lehrer will put the Holy Trinity on his list of debate questions (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2012 #125
I'm sure Jim Lehrer will be scanning UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #129
Most Christians are not Christian. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #126
i41 GIVA A FUCK Zanzoobar Jun 2012 #131
Since this a pure theology discussion, I'm locking REP Jun 2012 #135
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