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pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
8. Lots of people do things that don't make sense.
Sun Jul 17, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jul 2016

https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement

The movement is rooted in racism and anti-Semitism, though most sovereigns, many of whom are African American, are unaware of their beliefs' origins. In the early 1980s, the sovereign citizens movement mostly attracted white supremacists and anti-Semites, mainly because sovereign theories originated in groups that saw Jews as working behind the scenes to manipulate financial institutions and control the government. Most early sovereigns, and some of those who are still on the scene, believed that being white was a prerequisite to becoming a sovereign citizen. They argued that the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, which guaranteed citizenship to African Americans and everyone else born on U.S. soil, also made black Americans permanently subject to federal and state governments, unlike themselves.

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Recruits
In the late 2000s and early 2010s, most new recruits to the sovereign citizens movement are people who have found themselves in a desperate situation, often due to the economy or foreclosures, and are searching for a quick fix. Others are intrigued by the notions of easy money and living a lawless life, free from unpleasant consequences. Many self-identified sovereigns today are black and apparently completely unaware of the racist origins of their ideology. When they experience some small success at using redemption techniques to battle minor traffic offenses or local licensing issues, they're hooked. For many, it's a political issue. They don't like taxes, traffic laws, child support obligations or banking practices, but they are too impatient to try to change what they dislike through traditional, political means.
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #1
Thanks! pnwmom Jul 2016 #2
So, it was a white guy? dhol82 Jul 2016 #3
No. There are reportedly a small number of African Americans in the group. n/t pnwmom Jul 2016 #4
How could an AA be a member of the dhol82 Jul 2016 #5
Lots of people do things that don't make sense. pnwmom Jul 2016 #8
Interesting. dhol82 Jul 2016 #10
Every now and then you see a black person proudly waving a confederate flag Nevernose Jul 2016 #9
Wow. dhol82 Jul 2016 #11
SPLC says there are many AA members of the Sovereign Citizens Movement George II Jul 2016 #21
Trust me: I was "involved" with the Sovereign Citizens & militias in the early 90s Nevernose Jul 2016 #29
Art Bell Person 2713 Jul 2016 #33
Sovereign Citizens are people like the Bundy Clan & Nevernose Jul 2016 #6
They are known to kill police in hopes of starting their 'revolution' RandiFan1290 Jul 2016 #7
An interesting fact that tends to get forgotten. (nt) enough Jul 2016 #13
See #21 above George II Jul 2016 #22
I recall when DHS warned about these types of groups KingFlorez Jul 2016 #12
Thanks Obama MagickMuffin Jul 2016 #14
His YouTube channel tells quite a different story Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #15
Link? pnwmom Jul 2016 #16
The link would be the story here, not the shooters video Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #18
I went to you tube and typed in his name, and saw no video done by the shooter. pnwmom Jul 2016 #19
Someone posted the link nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #20
Here: grossproffit Jul 2016 #23
Zero evidence of this oberliner Jul 2016 #17
But boy were people hoping. Nt B2G Jul 2016 #24
Let the spinning commence nt Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #25
Spinning goes both ways. Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #37
I'm adult enough to accept facts as they appear. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #38
And this isn't? Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #41
You noticed that too? grossproffit Jul 2016 #26
I think people are searching for motive. KMOD Jul 2016 #30
... Crepuscular Jul 2016 #27
He was also a nation of islam meber Travis_0004 Jul 2016 #28
Was. Was. You'll be told he was. Not IS, WAS. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #31
So what is your solution? Kingofalldems Jul 2016 #39
You go after people not having facts. Then when facts don't work for you, you go after seabeyond Jul 2016 #43
huh? The facts are what they are. Dreamer Tatum Jul 2016 #44
If that was him on the youtube, KMOD Jul 2016 #32
What clear signs are those? B2G Jul 2016 #34
believing that the government was stalking him. KMOD Jul 2016 #36
Conversations with Cosmos GusBob Jul 2016 #35
Yes. That twitter feed was very strange. KMOD Jul 2016 #40
Not if you believe this is him Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #42
Thank you for more information on this, pnwmom. Cha Jul 2016 #45
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