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Urchin

(248 posts)
71. This is how it went
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:22 PM
Jun 2016

Here's how I think it worked:

Free trade enabled low-interest rates that have enriched asset holders over decades.

The plan was to keep interest rates low so that those people who invested in assets: homeowners, 401K holders, and the super-rich, could benefit from enormous gains.

Middle-class people who owned homes and had 401Ks, were very happy to see low-interest rates because they seemed to be making tons of money.

Meanwhile, offshoring the production of goods and services made most everything else cheap, which made it easy for the establishment to say we were in a time of low inflation so it was OK to continue low-interest rates.

The backdoor cost to this scheme, was the impoverishment of people who didn't own assets--especially the young who on becoming adults had little economic opportunity--but also the lower classes, whose jobs were first replaced by offshoring.

As for the older people who had assets of greatly inflated value, even they probably still approved of the scheme when they eventually lost their jobs. Only after they were unable to find jobs again and were forced to sell their assets did they probably realize it wasn't such a good plan after all. But they would be in the minority and they would be picked off by the new economy in small isolated numbers here and there over the years, their peers choosing to believe that they themselves would either hold on to their middle-class jobs or find another quickly should they lose their jobs.

In addition to investment assets which soaked up liquidity like a sponge and skyrocketed in value, the only other exception to low prices, were the few remaining goods and services that haven't been offshored, especially education and healthcare. But hey, mostly only those people who haven't "arrived" have to worry about education costs. For those that have arrived, any extra education and health insurance their employers pay for.

Each administration had no choice but to continue to keep the national Ponzi scheme going. Had any president told the people the truth, the majority of voters--who benefitted from owning assets, would have voted that president and party out of office.

Ross Perot was right. n/t Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #1
That really sucks. Kablooie Jun 2016 #26
I saw that... freebrew Jun 2016 #63
Sweden trades more than twice as we do. Their unions are strong. Their wages are high. pampango Jun 2016 #2
The Nordics and Free Trade Human101948 Jun 2016 #14
How do they have positive trade balances without tariffs and with high wages and strong unions? pampango Jun 2016 #51
Also because wealthy corporations have gotten wealthy exporting jobs to other countries and then Akamai Jun 2016 #73
This just means their trade policies protect them. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #18
They have lower tariffs and more 'no tariff' trade than the US has. pampango Jun 2016 #46
Uncle Alan on greater worker insecurity... appalachiablue Jun 2016 #68
That evil old face is scary. N/t Scruffy1 Jun 2016 #69
I'd never heard this passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #75
Yup/ Free Market Job Creation, Bedford Falls: 'It's a Wonderful Life' GOP Version. appalachiablue Jun 2016 #77
I would also propose Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2016 #25
I'm sure you are right. They expect more from their government and "are more than willing pampango Jun 2016 #50
VAT tax.... paleotn Jun 2016 #28
VAT applies to both imports and domestic products. Tariffs only apply to imports. pampango Jun 2016 #49
Yes, it applies to both paleotn Jun 2016 #52
So applying a VAT (say 20%) to both imports and domestic products levels the playing field? pampango Jun 2016 #58
What the heck are you talking about? paleotn Jun 2016 #59
The Swedish VAT raises the cost of a Swedish-made car by assessing incremental increases at each pampango Jun 2016 #60
Not always. Only in the last few decades. Jim Lane Jun 2016 #3
Exactly passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #19
Anything Trump is for , I'm against! Cryptoad Jun 2016 #4
Just because Trump stopped thinking doesn't mean Democrats should. No automatic positions, pls. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #10
You must change your opinions often, then n2doc Jun 2016 #12
That is a pretty closed minded view. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #21
Mostly agree Cosmocat Jun 2016 #66
Are you against broken clocks as well? paleotn Jun 2016 #30
As with all "free" advertising campaigns. Downwinder Jun 2016 #5
Yeah, like free college tuition? passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #23
Only for the Military. Downwinder Jun 2016 #27
We could always reinstate the draft passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #36
Conscripts have a different attitude. Downwinder Jun 2016 #41
That is it, right there. LuvNewcastle Jun 2016 #39
The military doesn't always cover full college costs. Exilednight Jun 2016 #43
United States service academies Downwinder Jun 2016 #47
DURec leftstreet Jun 2016 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #7
Quite so. sangfroid Jun 2016 #8
. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #9
That "giant sucking sound" mountain grammy Jun 2016 #11
Another broken clock.... paleotn Jun 2016 #31
Pretty huge thing to be right about. mountain grammy Jun 2016 #53
I am for Fair Trade. One that benefits everyone. madinmaryland Jun 2016 #13
Me too. passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #24
And the latest ones are mainly about proving more power and leverage to big corporations n2doc Jun 2016 #15
Let's say it again passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #16
Yep. LuvNewcastle Jun 2016 #45
Actually, You are Wrong About the Origin of Free Trade mckara Jun 2016 #17
Post rec Dem2 Jun 2016 #22
You are right. Scruffy1 Jun 2016 #70
K&R rgbecker Jun 2016 #20
Bankrupting a company so Aerows Jun 2016 #29
+1 840high Jun 2016 #33
+5 It was Reagan's admin. that made pensions an "assett" I believe. appalachiablue Jun 2016 #40
K & R appalachiablue Jun 2016 #32
.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #34
As far as I know Ricardian international economics is still sound Cary Jun 2016 #35
TPP-ISDS and the Democrats Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #37
"Free Trade" has very little to do with trade... Shebear Jun 2016 #38
the 'HOUSE' always wins. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #42
Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2016 #44
It's simple really. Cassiopeia Jun 2016 #48
k&r nationalize the fed Jun 2016 #54
You have to explain simple concepts, most have degrees from Google U. Rex Jun 2016 #55
Yep. The US would be a better place if all 50 states could impose tariffs on trade with each other. Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #56
TPP enables interstate commerce? klook Jun 2016 #61
I was replying to the OP which did not mention TPP at all (nt) Nye Bevan Jun 2016 #62
4) JEB Jun 2016 #57
Ahhh ha libodem Jun 2016 #64
I'd suggest that we use some other term than "free trade" FairWinds Jun 2016 #65
I wonder what we got in return for this "compromise." Baitball Blogger Jun 2016 #67
This is how it went Urchin Jun 2016 #71
FAIR TRADE Angry Dragon Jun 2016 #72
There's no such thing as free trade. Some people lose big time ... WORKERS Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #74
Free trade agreements aren't so much about free trade Craig234 Jun 2016 #76
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