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cali

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Sat Jun 25, 2016, 02:21 PM Jun 2016

I still see the TPP as a significant threat to our rights [View all]

Last edited Sat Jun 25, 2016, 04:22 PM - Edit history (1)

There used to be a lot of interest in the TPP here. That seems to have dissipated somewhat.

Some of the things that are alarming. This is by no means a comprehensive list:

Copyright provisions, Chapter 18:

Harsh criminal penalties for infringers, even those with no profit motivation.
http://infojustice.org/archives/35766

Pharmaceutical and generic drugs:

"Evergreening". Forcing member countries drug patent extensions and diminishing access to generic drugs.
http://infojustice.org/archives/35908

Lack of strong enforcement provisions for violators across a wide range of issues including labor rights and the environment
http://ecowatch.com/2016/06/07/tpp-climate-change/
https://rightswireblog.org/2016/02/02/how-the-trans-pacific-partnership-fails-human-rights/
https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/01/12/qa-trans-pacific-partnership

Weakening of the none too strong Dodd-Frank legislation. As Elizabeth Warren said, it would "punch holes" in it.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/05/11/elizabeth-warren-fires-back-at-obama-heres-what-theyre-really-fighting-about/

ISDS: It's unbalanced. It favors corporations
http://boingboing.net/2016/06/16/canadian-trade-policy-expert-c.html

Biodiversity:
https://www.thenation.com/article/the-trans-pacific-partnership-will-hurt-farmers-and-make-seed-companies-richer/

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Yet more stuff for us average struggling aging people to worry about 90-percent Jun 2016 #1
PS 90-percent Jun 2016 #2
Orwellian for sure. Not sure it's "good business" though 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #37
I remember when workers were valued! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #116
getting medieval on the planet SoLeftIAmRight Jun 2016 #6
kick. Those cheering on the TPP would prefer to ignore cali Jun 2016 #3
This ^^^^^ OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #55
Thanks so much for that great link, Orwell cali Jun 2016 #78
TPP is the best thing since The Black Death Vincardog Jun 2016 #4
That's about right. OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #56
Wow, everything you hate about it I find to be appealling. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #5
So you actually support making generic drugs more difficult to obtain? cali Jun 2016 #8
I find your analysis of the treaty lacking in any semblance to reality. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #9
It's not my analysis. And unless you can point out cali Jun 2016 #13
I'm not going to spend hours writing a treatise on why the analysis is flawed. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #14
And my respect for those who make claims without cali Jun 2016 #16
And basing respect for people on a message board format is the height of silliness, IMO. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #17
How does it feel to be hawking for greedy corporate interests? 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #40
Great! MohRokTah Jun 2016 #43
Which "Socialist rhetoric" might that be? 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #49
they mean anything that doesn't kowtow to neoliberalism, corporate AntiBank Jun 2016 #53
Ah, ok.. THAT Socialist rhetoric! I'll own that. 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #54
That would at least be some kind ethos. Marr Jun 2016 #87
North Korea Dear Leaderism AntiBank Jun 2016 #89
Oh great. HughBeaumont Jun 2016 #93
Hey Cali------------------ turbinetree Jun 2016 #32
You are so welcome, turbinetree. cali Jun 2016 #38
I have been reading your threads for about three years now-------------------------- turbinetree Jun 2016 #134
Its obvious to anyone reading that you won't because you can't. Marr Jun 2016 #85
Sources would be fine Bradical79 Jun 2016 #115
answer cali's simple question. its NOT analysis AntiBank Jun 2016 #29
I agree it's not really analysis. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #44
answer the question AntiBank Jun 2016 #48
I did. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #58
show me where you answered yes or no to support for the evergreening of drug patents AntiBank Jun 2016 #60
It's there, though not the answer you want. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #61
In this case it is black or white. You either support evergreening the patents or your do not. AntiBank Jun 2016 #64
I reject the basis of your premise as nothing more than rhetorical nonsense. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #65
NO. You simply refuse to answer one simple question. Furthermore: AntiBank Jun 2016 #75
I answered your question. That you refuse to accept the answer is your problem, not mine. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #80
you NEVER answered it. you are a pendantic game player AntiBank Jun 2016 #81
Again, I answered your question. You simply refuse to accept the answer. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #82
show me your answer AntiBank Jun 2016 #83
I showed youo, again, you refuse to accept it. eom MohRokTah Jun 2016 #84
you damn well know you never fucking did AntiBank Jun 2016 #86
And now you make things up about me. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #88
bullshit, you support the TPP, which allows for evergreening AntiBank Jun 2016 #91
Even more making up shit. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #92
You know, I said I wouldn't continue engaging with you, but I just cali Jun 2016 #94
And now you engage in a logical fallacy. MohRokTah Jun 2016 #95
Nothing buit puerile insults. That's it. That is the whole sum of your "argument" cali Jun 2016 #96
You posted the links and "evidence" MohRokTah Jun 2016 #97
Impact Of The TPP On The Pharma Industry (showing EXACTLY that the TPP puts evergreening into play) AntiBank Jun 2016 #101
You are going to find that to be the case anytime trade is discussed here RB TexLa Jun 2016 #122
I would like to regulate trade across state lines. bvar22 Jun 2016 #123
So you find Trans Canada suing the United States to be a good thing? TheFarseer Jun 2016 #127
I do as well. nt m-lekktor Jun 2016 #7
If it's blue it must be true? cali Jun 2016 #10
I hear you. nt m-lekktor Jun 2016 #12
+10 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #41
DURec. bvar22 Jun 2016 #11
Thank you, bvar! The collective DU opinion on the tpp cali Jun 2016 #15
Same here. bvar22 Jun 2016 #31
My interest in remaining here is waning. Substantive issues cali Jun 2016 #33
Is there a viable alternative space? OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #57
I was wondering the same thing. Stryder Jun 2016 #112
Sadly laundry_queen Jun 2016 #73
+100 AntiBank Jun 2016 #51
Good to see you, bvar awoke_in_2003 Jun 2016 #74
it is all they have to play with AntiBank Jun 2016 #50
I'm with you. reflection Jun 2016 #18
the evidence of corporate influence over the crafting of the TPP cali Jun 2016 #19
TPP to Protect American Freedom to Not Afford Medicine LS_Editor Jun 2016 #20
And not only Americans! cali Jun 2016 #21
Yes, there was more interest in the TPP months ago, but mostly speculative interest... George II Jun 2016 #22
It's not even good. Perfect? It's stupidly horrible. It's a complete disaster. w4rma Jun 2016 #67
What do Hillary's handlers say she thinks about TPP this week? Indepatriot Jun 2016 #23
well those people are obviously all wet in their opposition stupidicus Jun 2016 #24
I find the "if it's blue, it must be true" mentality shocking. cali Jun 2016 #25
so true cali stupidicus Jun 2016 #30
Good post. Thank you. PufPuf23 Jun 2016 #26
Thanks, PufPuf. cali Jun 2016 #28
It will be the final nail in our Democracy TDale313 Jun 2016 #27
Language is everything! We should start somewhere. I'm starting with the definition of a person. shadowwinds Jun 2016 #34
It rings it loudly. And not just CU language. cali Jun 2016 #90
Thanks for all your TPP posts cali Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #35
right back at you Jeff. cali Jun 2016 #39
You may be interestd to watch this trade conference on Tuesday. OrwellwasRight Jun 2016 #59
k/r for the unvarnished truth AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #36
K&R smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #42
So do I. Corporations already have too much power. Overseas Jun 2016 #45
Corporate lawyers, lobbyists & CEOs wrote the damn thing. What else can we expect? 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #46
I wish I knew why that doesn't trouble the people who support it. cali Jun 2016 #47
It is interesting how many Pro-TPPers are coming out of the woodwork. 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #52
Slap the name "free trade" or "partnership" on one of these Elwood P Dowd Jun 2016 #66
That, and being supported by Obama 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #69
Some "Democrats" *want* corporate governance. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #68
I have heard of this 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #70
These are the "Democrats" that want whatever their big donors want. (nt) w4rma Jun 2016 #72
And then their supporters reactively support that position. cali Jun 2016 #105
...AND, they wrote it "in secret". bvar22 Jun 2016 #124
+10 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #125
Thank you cali. You've been tireless in trying to educate people here riderinthestorm Jun 2016 #62
that is very kind of you to say. I don't know how effective it's been cali Jun 2016 #77
So do I. LWolf Jun 2016 #63
Same here IgelJames4 Jun 2016 #71
Thank you for the post Cali...K&R! Jack Bone Jun 2016 #76
kick midnight Jun 2016 #79
K&R Thanks for posting this. JEB Jun 2016 #98
And many thanks for kicking it. Yes. I think this is a critical issue. cali Jun 2016 #99
It stinks to high heaven, but certain powerful industries JEB Jun 2016 #100
Thanks for posting, Cali Bettie Jun 2016 #102
Sadly, I agree with you, Bettie. But I still think it's worth fighting. cali Jun 2016 #107
Big pharma disagrees with you. They see big $$$ in their eyes, and it NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #103
"evergreening" of patents is in the final text. Period. And yet there are people cali Jun 2016 #104
not "mind-boggling", just part of the Neoliberal agenda. NorthCarolina Jun 2016 #106
K&R unapatriciated Jun 2016 #108
TPP ISDS process concerns Arizona Roadrunner Jun 2016 #109
How come that has not happened with all the trade agreements since 1959 with similar provisions? Hoyt Jun 2016 #129
Rights? Soxfan58 Jun 2016 #110
Thank you for responding. cali Jun 2016 #111
This just shows how complicated free trade issues can be. Yes there has been widespread opposition totodeinhere Jun 2016 #113
Yes. Things are complex. Seemingly paradoxical opinions may not be cali Jun 2016 #114
I'm not well versed on Brexit either. But I think the course of world events will cause us to totodeinhere Jun 2016 #117
Please. No need at all for an apology. I appreciate your contribution cali Jun 2016 #120
My problem with the trade discussion on this forum... Bradical79 Jun 2016 #118
Yes. There has been a paucity of credible evidence for the benefits outweighing the cali Jun 2016 #121
Corporations have long sought ways to avoid being tied down by laws. vintx Jun 2016 #119
Notice that the pro-tpp folks in this very thread cannot give you just ONE positive net good Rex Jun 2016 #126
it's reactive, not informed. cali Jun 2016 #128
I know you've spent a lot of time looking it over, I just wish it would be made public Rex Jun 2016 #130
I'm a bit confused by your post cali Jun 2016 #131
Thanks! I did not know it was released to the public. Rex Jun 2016 #132
You're very welcome, Rex cali Jun 2016 #133
Thanks that is a lot of reading material. Rex Jun 2016 #135
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