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Denzil_DC

(7,342 posts)
23. It. Was. Not. An. Election.
Sat Jun 25, 2016, 08:53 AM
Jun 2016

"Re-dos" on referendums aren't rare.

In fact, they can serve to clarify views and give people a better basis on which to decide how to vote by continuing the debate with a dose of reality added to the mix.

In the aftermath of the vote, there are a LOT of people who are only now trying to figure out what the plurality have voted for (Google's record of searches once the results are in bears this out, for example), and quite a number who are expressing buyers' remorse because they voted Leave as a protest vote not directly related to EU membership, but out of general disaffection or a desire to stick it to Cameron and the establishment, assuming that it was safe to do so because Remain would win anyway.

Some seem to have treated it like a reality TV show vote, and are having "Oh shit" moments now the results are in.

It looks like that even applies to leading Leave light Boris Johnson, who was visibly shaken and unprepared in his speech on the morning after. He and the Leave leadership have no plans for how they're going to approach negotiations, nor seemingly the massive task that lies ahead of unravelling the many ways the EU and UK economy intermesh and how they're going to compensate for the economic benefits EU membership has brought to more disadvantaged areas of the UK when the UK government has been unable or willing to offer such support in the past.

Some of this is a failing of the media, which only after the result are asking hard questions and pressing Leave on what the hell they intend to do. Only now are the rash statements and promises and downright lies on the Leave side - extra funding for the NHS, reduced immigration, etc. - being seriously challenged. Nigel Farage, for instance, is able to shrug it off, because he doesn't give a shit about being seen as a liar or simply abandoning commitments made by other parts of the conveniently fragmented Leave campaign.

On such a major constitutional issue, allowing a bare majority (~4% in this case) to decide the result is a recipe for serious lasting divisions. The bar should have been set at 66%. There's precedent for this in internal devolution referendums in the UK in the past.

I'd feel the same unease if the vote had gone the other way. Farage said on the eve of poll that if it ended up being 52-48% Remain, he wouldn't consider the matter settled. The Remain side are unlikely to have the hutzpah to pursue that line.

So no, it's not an outlandish nor unreasonable idea to re-run the referendum. It's just highly unlikely to happen.

Nothing like calling for a vote you can't lose... Press Virginia Jun 2016 #1
Hammer on Cameron. He deserves it for such a stupid move. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #11
I wish them the best.. Thank you, PV. Cha Jun 2016 #21
so remain crowd sat out the election by choice and now they want a re-do? nt msongs Jun 2016 #2
Yeah. Apathy among the young. Some even voted Leave when they wanted Remain just because Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #13
I cant imagine that many people voted leave when they wanted to stay Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #17
It's not just one thing. Any way, if elections matter a second one would be excellent, given Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #20
It. Was. Not. An. Election. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #23
Mahalo for that, Denzil! Update: More Than 2.5 Million Britons Are Demanding A Second EU Referendum Cha Jun 2016 #39
Well, I signed myself last night. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #41
I must admit that there is some BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #3
This tweet is for you, BlueMT.. Cha Jun 2016 #4
One I loved was from Paul Bettany BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #5
LOL! that is so True! Cha Jun 2016 #9
Nazi golf balls is one of my favorites Iliyah Jun 2016 #6
I didn't see that one. What was the context, Iliyah?~ Cha Jun 2016 #22
I wish he'd take his ass to Scotland and stay there. They're welcome to him. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2016 #7
THE SCOTS HATE HIS GUTS. trueblue2007 Jun 2016 #8
Scotland on trump, Tarheel.. they feel the same as we do.. Cha Jun 2016 #26
Love the quick and witty Spanish response... Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #10
Me too, Surya! "Curse those ignorant, ill-informed and easily-manipulated Brits." Cha Jun 2016 #16
Yes, the Brexit ringleaders are talking about a 2-year time-line for complete withdrawal. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #18
A poem with which the UK strongly identifies is about a cavalry charge Recursion Jun 2016 #12
Then there's the David Low cartoon "Very well, alone." sarge43 Jun 2016 #15
Part of Tennyson's paean to jingoistic nonsense... Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #19
I hope you're wrong, Recursion. Cha Jun 2016 #35
the status quo is desperate to be preserved. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #14
This referendum has just opened Pandora's box. It is almost certain that still_one Jun 2016 #24
Elections do have consequences & I feel bad for those who voted to Remain.. Cha Jun 2016 #25
I feel bad for them too. In my view the referendum should have required a 2/3 threshold to leave still_one Jun 2016 #27
Yes.. 2/3 threshold would have been good! So much regret today over this. Cha Jun 2016 #28
"Older generation voted for a future the younger don't want" Teamster Jeff Jun 2016 #31
More than one million people sign petition for SECOND EU referendum Cha Jun 2016 #29
Spoke to 'Leave' voters who say result wasn't meant to happen. They hoped to make a point, show Cha Jun 2016 #30
We should learn from this ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2016 #32
Headline SickOfTheOnePct Jun 2016 #33
I have NO pity. The English have been debating the merits for THREE YEARS. They could have underahedgerow Jun 2016 #34
Update: More Than 2.5 Million Britons Are Demanding A Second EU Referendum Cha Jun 2016 #36
Best 3 out of 5? eom tarheelsunc Jun 2016 #37
Majority don't want another referendum DavidDvorkin Jun 2016 #38
Thank you for that.. we'll see what happens. Cha Jun 2016 #40
A snap poll just after the result Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #42
In any case, a second referendum seems unlikely DavidDvorkin Jun 2016 #43
It doesn't matter at the moment. Denzil_DC Jun 2016 #44
I'm still angry at how Democrats rolled over in 2000 DavidDvorkin Jun 2016 #45
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