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125. If your theory is correct, it would have been simple enough for them to explain

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Mon Jun 20, 2016, 10:28 PM

Jun 2016

that to the reporter. But they didn't.

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First Ohio girl to win masonry competition gets replaced by a 3rd place boy at Nationals. [View all] pnwmom Jun 2016 OP

Just flat out WRONG! liberal N proud Jun 2016 #1

That's not fair and should be corrected before the national competition. In_The_Wind Jun 2016 #2

It is very suspicious. LiberalFighter Jun 2016 #3

It is even worse. I just added to the OP a link to the original April story. pnwmom Jun 2016 #4

4) How did they think this was going to pass unnoticed? marble falls Jun 2016 #5

And the most obvious question of all - why dont they just FIX IT??? nm Kashkakat v.2.0 Jun 2016 #10

Because they don't want to and no one, apparently, can make them. n/t pnwmom Jun 2016 #14

Bureaucracy in a nutshell. Ash_F Jun 2016 #50

misogyny in a nutshell. TeamPooka Jun 2016 #76

Exactly! smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #92

Maybe. I don't know. Misogyny is also about power. Ash_F Jun 2016 #93

Seems very likely. Hopefully some Hortensis Jun 2016 #102

glass ceilings sometimes start early dembotoz Jun 2016 #6

Is it somehow more of a travesty because it's a ....? seabeckind Jun 2016 #7

This is the first girl EVER to win this competition. Forgive me if I think pnwmom Jun 2016 #8

So "girl" is the most important factor in your mind? seabeckind Jun 2016 #9

I think the way she was treated probably had something to do with her gender. pnwmom Jun 2016 #11

Would you be as upset if the situation were reversed? seabeckind Jun 2016 #16

Of course it shouldn't happen to anyone. But, yes, when this happens to a girl pnwmom Jun 2016 #19

Thanks for the honest answer. seabeckind Jun 2016 #21

When there is a pattern of discrimination against a group and you see something pnwmom Jun 2016 #24

So "girl" equals "group"? seabeckind Jun 2016 #70

Yeah, maybe this was just a coincidence. But when there is a pattern of pnwmom Jun 2016 #72

I'm with you on this. It is totally sexist. Bohunk68 Jun 2016 #96

What you said is actually a contradiction. Chemisse Jun 2016 #111

LOL trumad Jun 2016 #56

Oh for fuck's sake Scootaloo Jun 2016 #137

"It happened" to two kids. Was the second place winner also female? jberryhill Jun 2016 #134

I wondered what happened to #2 also. nt Doremus Jun 2016 #149

The entered the wrong numbers onto the final scoresheet oberliner Jun 2016 #151

Care to cite an example? You proffer only a hypothetical situation. Thor_MN Jun 2016 #23

Nah. seabeckind Jun 2016 #26

Yeah, I thought so. Thor_MN Jun 2016 #28

You'd think it anyway seabeckind Jun 2016 #29

If you want to dismiss this documented discrimination because it happened to a female, Thor_MN Jun 2016 #31

Did I dismiss it? seabeckind Jun 2016 #33

I dare ya......oh mercy!..it's teh heavy artillery of critical argument. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2016 #90

Think of it more like put up or shut up. seabeckind Jun 2016 #94

When I read your post I thought "there is a person who has lead a sheltered life, or A Simple Game Jun 2016 #45

Hmm. I would have to say that your thinking is projection. Thor_MN Jun 2016 #97

Think of it like a hate crime. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #36

Maybe I might understand it if I hadn't lived it. seabeckind Jun 2016 #38

Hold on. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #44

What are you talking about? seabeckind Jun 2016 #48

I'm responding to your post. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #67

Hey, you're the one come charging in on your war horse brandishing a sword seabeckind Jun 2016 #95

I do not own a horse. AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #139

Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #99

You really think that it doesn't exist? seabeckind Jun 2016 #105

..... obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #32

Try looking up double standard. seabeckind Jun 2016 #34

Everything is political here. Marr Jun 2016 #42

It does seem to be that way,, doesn't it? seabeckind Jun 2016 #51

It is a travesty because this shit never ends. we can do it Jun 2016 #98

Sure doesn't. And gender is just one of the factors. seabeckind Jun 2016 #108

Horrible! blackspade Jun 2016 #12

“The scores were inappropriately put in.” ?? knightmaar Jun 2016 #13

Her instructor says her tower was better by 72 points than the next best. pnwmom Jun 2016 #15

Might be Hanlon's razor seabeckind Jun 2016 #17

If it were simply a stupid mistake, they would fix it csziggy Jun 2016 #47

Not before somebody builds a whole story around it. seabeckind Jun 2016 #49

The state runs the competition - so they have everything to do with it csziggy Jun 2016 #55

Crickets trumad Jun 2016 #58

It's probably tinnitus. seabeckind Jun 2016 #62

A Sen Frist-like diagnosis! Clever! LanternWaste Jun 2016 #64

I have tinnitus trumad Jun 2016 #66

So everyone says you have an attitude problem? seabeckind Jun 2016 #69

You are making fun of people with tinnitus? sheshe2 Jun 2016 #140

False equivalency. seabeckind Jun 2016 #61

Odd, you've created a narrative-- something you've indicted others fo LanternWaste Jun 2016 #65

Dudes trolling. trumad Jun 2016 #68

He will be gone soon - we can do it Jun 2016 #101

That's one way to avoid inconvenient arguments. n/t seabeckind Jun 2016 #106

Does look more like cronyism seabeckind Jun 2016 #71

^^^This^^^ Gormy Cuss Jun 2016 #158

This message was self-deleted by its author Taitertots Jun 2016 #156

“The scores were inappropriately put in.” CrispyQ Jun 2016 #18

Sounds as if "Mr. Third Place" has someone Bettie Jun 2016 #20

That's what I think too. Chemisse Jun 2016 #112

Seriously? LisaL Jun 2016 #165

Third place boy obviously has a daddy who has some connections in the right places davidn3600 Jun 2016 #22

There ya go. Now Thor_MN is going to ask for a specific example. seabeckind Jun 2016 #27

Is there anything left of that axe you've been grinding? AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #37

Very annoying when the best candidate is ignored because a weaker candidate has everything rigged. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #25

We're talking Ohio here, mrr303am Jun 2016 #30

Typical! Silver_Witch Jun 2016 #35

What's even worse DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #39

Ohio, reminds me of 2004. Obviously, the boy is a Republican and the girl a Democrat. L. Coyote Jun 2016 #40

I would think people would want to make history with the first female IronLionZion Jun 2016 #41

Or wouldn't want the boys to be "shown up" WhiteTara Jun 2016 #59

Everyone should face & tweet this.. I'll bet the noise annabanana Jun 2016 #43

The boy actually won oberliner Jun 2016 #46

That's also the impression that I got from the article Captain Stern Jun 2016 #63

That isn't what her instructor said, or how the reporter viewed it. pnwmom Jun 2016 #73

Yes it is oberliner Jun 2016 #74

No, it just points to how exceptional her work was, as the instructor noted. nt pnwmom Jun 2016 #75

The teacher only praised the plumb oberliner Jun 2016 #77

Or she could have scored many points higher in one category and slightly higher pnwmom Jun 2016 #78

"Most win with only a 5 point lead" oberliner Jun 2016 #82

No one thought her score looked wrong on the night she got her gold medal. pnwmom Jun 2016 #83

Nobody saw her score card on the night she got her gold medal oberliner Jun 2016 #85

Sounds like they should have. LisaL Jun 2016 #163

I think you are correct and many others are knee jerking AntiBank Jun 2016 #141

Thanks oberliner Jun 2016 #150

agreed AntiBank Jun 2016 #153

More like that was the excuse after the fact and they just didn't like the results. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #104

You really think that's more likely than a clerical error? oberliner Jun 2016 #110

That is what happened obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #161

No, the girl won by 72 points obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #160

No, she didn't oberliner Jun 2016 #162

Surely that contest was "rigged"! rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #52

Nothing to do with a 'girl' winning . . . pistegypsy Jun 2016 #53

sexism is alive, and, unfortunately, all too well in every aspect of our society. niyad Jun 2016 #54

My great-grandfather was a master mason. malthaussen Jun 2016 #57

HERE'S A NEW PETITION YOU CAN SIGN TO MAKE THEM REVERSE THEIR DECISION!!!!!!!! ISeeA BrightFuture Jun 2016 #60

Signed. What a terribly unfair thing this is. byronius Jun 2016 #80

Signed Lunabell Jun 2016 #142

I see not much has changed Runningdawg Jun 2016 #79

I work for a regional technical HS Freddie Jun 2016 #86

Kind of like our voting system. roody Jun 2016 #81

Exactly, except not at all. Orrex Jun 2016 #84

A total lack of integrity by the district perdita9 Jun 2016 #87

The school is a gub'mint entity. She should be able to get A.C.L.U. help to sue. Hoppy Jun 2016 #88

She needs a group of women, including an attorney or 7, to help her. Everyone jtuck004 Jun 2016 #89

I hope her parents have enough money to hire a lawyer, or that one will work pro bono. This reeks. Hekate Jun 2016 #91

MALES are so FRAGILE. god forbid they don't win. pansypoo53219 Jun 2016 #100

“The scores were inappropriately put in.” BULLSHIT. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #103

This is so very very sad Gothmog Jun 2016 #107

Jumping to conclusions based on a set of preconceptions and biases. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2016 #109

Great comment oberliner Jun 2016 #152

Amazing how that works isn't it? TalkingDog Jun 2016 #113

I feel like there's more to this story than is being reported. Initech Jun 2016 #114

You misunderstood. Android3.14 Jun 2016 #115

That's not how I read her instructor's comment. pnwmom Jun 2016 #117

I go by the rules of the contest, which show your interpretation is incorrect. Android3.14 Jun 2016 #123

If your theory is correct, it would have been simple enough for them to explain pnwmom Jun 2016 #125

It sure would. So why didn't they? Android3.14 Jun 2016 #126

If that's the case, the least they could've done was inform Shania that the scoring was wrong and liberalla Jun 2016 #131

I agree. It was rude to keep her uninformed of the mistake. Android3.14 Jun 2016 #132

The instructor's comment is not relevant jberryhill Jun 2016 #128

Why didn't they just explain that to the reporter then? I can see that the girl pnwmom Jun 2016 #130

A lot of news is poorly written jberryhill Jun 2016 #133

They thought they did jberryhill Jun 2016 #135

I think their mistake denied her a spot -- and they weren't strongly pnwmom Jun 2016 #136

"The fact that they didn't even bother to notify the girl..." jberryhill Jun 2016 #138

How do you come to that conclusion? Android3.14 Jun 2016 #144

Because it's poorly written and I'm not even sure the reporter understood the situation jberryhill Jun 2016 #146

I think we agree, actually. Android3.14 Jun 2016 #154

You know the reporter can choose to print whatever bits of information they want, right? DesMoinesDem Jun 2016 #143

Because the reporter did a poor job of explaining the situation jberryhill Jun 2016 #147

"... they can do anything if they have determination, desire and drive.” BobTheSubgenius Jun 2016 #116

Simple. Post the judges scoresheet and fob Jun 2016 #118

Too late. The event started this week. She only found out about what happened pnwmom Jun 2016 #119

I can't help but think if this gets enough attention, they will have to include her liberalla Jun 2016 #120

PLUS! Watch out fellas, she's coming back next year for her senior year! liberalla Jun 2016 #121

And what about the number 2 guy? He can't be happy that someone who placed after him, liberalla Jun 2016 #127

It sounds like the third place winner actually placed first, if the scores were correctly entered. LisaL Jun 2016 #164

I hope ohio loses the national competition with shame. NT Ilsa Jun 2016 #122

+1000 liberalla Jun 2016 #124

Students compete on an individual basis oberliner Jun 2016 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author Taitertots Jun 2016 #145

It's the way the headline is written jberryhill Jun 2016 #148

This message was self-deleted by its author Taitertots Jun 2016 #155

So what was the deal with the second place finisher? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2016 #157

Here's the full statement from the Ohio Dept. of Education oberliner Jun 2016 #159