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In reply to the discussion: Neil DeGrasse Tyson Tells Bill Maher That Anti-Science Liberals Are Full of Shit Too [View all]Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)54. To reiterate, what reasonable doubts? And what evidence? n/t
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Neil DeGrasse Tyson Tells Bill Maher That Anti-Science Liberals Are Full of Shit Too [View all]
cleanhippie
Jun 2016
OP
He is not saying "all" liberals are anti science. He pointed out a particular part of the liberal
Lint Head
Jun 2016
#4
For some, there are only two good kinds of science: Evolution and Climate Change
FrodosPet
Jun 2016
#43
You forgot about astronomical science is bad because it offends volcano spirits
Fumesucker
Jun 2016
#72
So you admit that you don't read the content of the posts of pro-science posters.
HuckleB
Jun 2016
#313
And for some, logical fallacies such as Denying the Antecedent is also good
LanternWaste
Jun 2016
#268
Aaaaand that's how & why science is foolishly applied to questions it cannot answer. NT
MisterFred
Jun 2016
#198
I think what is most frustrating, especially with Liberals, is that despite the evidence...
cleanhippie
Jun 2016
#12
Sometimes we aggressively tear people down for their beliefs because those beliefs are dangerous.
Act_of_Reparation
Jun 2016
#112
Yes, and then they refuse to vaccinate their kids in the future, and try to convince other...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#123
As the mother of a child with autism, this board can sometimes be tiresome. nt
msanthrope
Jun 2016
#18
That applies to so much more than anti-science as well...Religion is another problem area.
cleanhippie
Jun 2016
#17
I disagree. I learned about Evolution and the universe's true age in Catholic school
AllTooEasy
Jun 2016
#169
It's also true that a number of Jesuits have made significant contributions to science
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#172
Yep. Lack of proof of a connection is different from proof of a lack of a connection. I am all for
GoneFishin
Jun 2016
#65
Tyson lost me on the GMO thing, why should I believe a physicist about GMOs?
A Simple Game
Jun 2016
#209
Everything you've said about GMO is also true of every other plant breeding method
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#187
True of every other method, really? When you can cross breed a fish and a tomato plant
A Simple Game
Jun 2016
#210
Sorry, after rereading I see my mistake about your post. But as long as I'm here...
A Simple Game
Jun 2016
#221
To say a plant that produces insecticides is "no different" from one that doesn't...
immoderate
Jun 2016
#80
First off, a lot of plants produce insecticides, many of which you eat, and they are natural...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#83
No different from a safety standpoint. Call it a flippant use of words, but no more than that...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#91
Huh, what does that have to do with GMOs? Why are you changing the subject? n/t
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#100
I can't follow your link walk, where is this study about antibiotics and why is it inadequate? n/t
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#106
Animal testing with controls would be good. Real tests on animals are very rare.
immoderate
Jun 2016
#117
How do you differentiate between "real" tests and what is already done?
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#120
Because we know what's in the plants in question? Its not that complicated. n/t
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#140
Hell, supplements and "alternative medicine" herbalism isn't tested hardly at all...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#125
That's assuming that your bottle of St. John's Wort actually contains St. John's Wort...
Act_of_Reparation
Jun 2016
#149
OK. Short version. I don't think there is evidence to declare that GMO foods are safe.
immoderate
Jun 2016
#265
Which GMOs and why? Is there a specific trait or expressed, modified gene that you find problematic?
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#271
This is precisely the closed mind mindset of denialists. Evidence means nothing to you...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#284
Why aren't the feedlot studies enough? Teflon is a novel substance...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#293
Here's an example, can you give any reason to test sugar produced from...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#306
The weight of evidence isn't the same for every study, some are outright fraudulent...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#110
Define open-minded, because to me, its following the evidence wherever it may lead...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#144
Benbrook's debunked "study" doesn't change all the other studies, never mind the meta analysis.
HuckleB
Jun 2016
#275
Thank you for confirming that your focus is finding cherry picked individual claims...
HuckleB
Jun 2016
#288
There are many places where you can actually discuss all of these with actual scientists.
HuckleB
Jun 2016
#292
Those science blogs generally link to other studies and meta-analysis, single studies...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#283
Most of this is outside of my expertise, so I have no problems referring to primary sources and...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#299
I already posted other research, including a meta analysis, that shows his claims are off base.
HuckleB
Jun 2016
#278
It depends on why one isn't convinced, is it for ideological reasons or evidentiary reasons?
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#55
Exactly, and in the process, they close their minds to anything that may challenge their beliefs. nt
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#145
We just want GMO's LABELLED. They are used to sue organic farmers, and that too is BS.
grahamhgreen
Jun 2016
#162
Yes. They sue for patent infringement when their genes are found in other plants
grahamhgreen
Jun 2016
#311
From my personal experience, GMO hysteria appears to be a bipartisan phenomeon.
Tommy_Carcetti
Jun 2016
#30
It's not just your experience polling data has shown this too. It's not that liberals are immune to
Johonny
Jun 2016
#34
Don't erect a strawman of science just to try to validate woo, woo is a specific term...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#59
science allows for reasonable doubts about the safety of vaccines and GMOs
Fast Walker 52
Jun 2016
#48
What reasonable doubts? The evidence in-hand should remove that from a rational thinker.
cleanhippie
Jun 2016
#50
Not sure why you even bothered to mention "altering the immune system" every disease alters the...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#89
The point is that you are basically speculating about potential problems, and failed to point...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#336
there are vaccines that are not used widely because the side-effects are more frequent
Fast Walker 52
Jun 2016
#58
Uhm, not sure how that is relevant, no one is saying all vaccines should be used...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#64
Theoretical science is a conservative and constantly evolving methodology that adjusts to discovery.
PufPuf23
Jun 2016
#61
that was one definition of safety I put out there for the sake of argument
Fast Walker 52
Jun 2016
#335
You have a leaking heart valve. Take two stalks of celery and call me in the morning.
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#208
Exactly, its ridiculous, and they push this "doctors are just pill pushers" meme, and yes...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#236
Not really. The fact that biological evolution occurred is settled science.
yellowcanine
Jun 2016
#77
If we can't agree that some things are "settled science" it gives the anti-science folks an opening
yellowcanine
Jun 2016
#82
No, "Settled Science" is not dogma. It is the acceptance of overwhelming evidence.
yellowcanine
Jun 2016
#96
Because not everyone is convinced by evidence, they have faith, and ideologies they need to...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#101
Let's use gravity as an example. It's a theory. Theory is the best you get in science
Gore1FL
Jun 2016
#197
Conflating issues--there's science, then there are (greedy) pharmaceutical firms
ecstatic
Jun 2016
#92
I don't see how following the scientific consensus, when one exists, is a fallacy...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#111
Only if you blindly follow it, and yes there are problems with the practice of publishing...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#116
Yeah, I mean, we can both agree that there are people who blindly dismiss studies and consensus
qdouble
Jun 2016
#118
I guess that is true, but it really does depend on what you are criticizing, and..
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#119
Well I will agree with you there, that most of the time disagreeing with the consensus or a study is
qdouble
Jun 2016
#122
That's the thing, when advocacy groups run away with ONE study, as if it were definitive...
Humanist_Activist
Jun 2016
#124
Knowing when to question individual studies, and when to acknowledge consensus are both important.
HuckleB
Jun 2016
#235
Meh. The right *are* worse - the writer is wrong, and DeGrasse Tyson tends that way
muriel_volestrangler
Jun 2016
#108
He's right. Only caveat I would add is, we shouldnt lump together "alternative medicine"
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2016
#138
Alternative medicine is that which has no efficacy over a placebo proven by the scientific method
Major Nikon
Jun 2016
#190
right, but one of the problems I've encountered with trying to explain why homeopathy is bullshit
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2016
#194
Unfortunately, he lumps all alternative medicines together, ant that too, is bad science!
grahamhgreen
Jun 2016
#161
I know just as many liberal leaning religous that believe the earth is 6k maybe 10k
Rex
Jun 2016
#168
Maher is right -- it's ridiculous to claim that Democrats and Republcans equally deny science
fishwax
Jun 2016
#176
Everything. It's anti-government right-wing hate radio that is trumpeting the anti-vaccine crap....
Spitfire of ATJ
Jun 2016
#258
You'll tell yourself whatever you need to tell yourself about others so you can ignore the evidence.
HuckleB
Jun 2016
#266
Gratifying to know that there's always someone somewhere willing to tell someone else they're full o
LanternWaste
Jun 2016
#267
This is absolutely true. Absolutely. One sees it all the time, right here at DU.
NNadir
Jun 2016
#301