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HiPointDem

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56. The history of the US demonstrates that it was. For example, ~700-1000 were killed/sold to the
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 02:22 AM
Jun 2012

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W. Indies during the Pequot War (1638) in the Mass. Bay. Did the colonists also intermarry with 700-1000 Indians during this period? I don't find that in accounts of the Ma. Bay colony.

Son of the chief the Pilgrims celebrated the first thanksgiving with was beheaded, drawn & quartered, & his head stuck on a pole for 20 years. That was the sexy love the pilgrims had for indians.

The biggest number of US wars were indian wars.

More than half of NA died from imported diseases before there was significant colonization in the US. When the Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock, the tribes there had already been decimated.

There were about 600K indians in the us in 1800 and about 250K in 1890 (not counting AK). Today NA (which includes some very, very white NA) are under 2% of the population.

Link me to this mitochondrial evidence.

I find, for example:

We have previously shown evidence of strong sex-biased genetic blending in the founding and ongoing history of the Brazilian population, with the African and Amerindian contribution being highest from maternal lineages (as measured by mitochondrial DNA) and the European contribution foremost from paternal lineages... We thus wondered if the same could be observed in American Caucasians. To answer that question, we retrieved 1387 hypervariable I Caucasian mitochondrial DNA sequences from the FBI population database and established their haplogroups and continental geographical sources.

In sharp contrast with the situation of the Caucasian population of Latin American countries, only 3.1% of the American Caucasian sequences had African and/or Amerindian origin.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17573655

That's 3.1% combined, not 3.1% each.

Speaking of that..... AverageJoe90 Jun 2012 #1
I've often puzzled over my own heritage Scootaloo Jun 2012 #2
It wasn't always a source of pride for mixed-race folks in the past bigtree Jun 2012 #3
That's true. But my red-headed father-in-law often said that as a boy pnwmom Jun 2012 #4
ha! bigtree Jun 2012 #8
? "unable to document" HiPointDem Jun 2012 #5
I dunno, maybe bigtree Jun 2012 #14
Most people don't have it documented, but there was a lot of interracial coupling in the west pnwmom Jun 2012 #17
no, there wasn't, unless you're going back to the age of exploration. In 1800 only 3% of the HiPointDem Jun 2012 #24
The percent was higher in low population states like Nevada, North Dakota, etc. pnwmom Jun 2012 #27
I could care less about individual cases. I'm just saying that a lot of the people claiming NA HiPointDem Jun 2012 #31
In Tennessee where my mother's family lived, the family "matriarch" BlueToTheBone Jun 2012 #34
Why is this so important to you? Is it a bad thing that white people are no longer ashamed to think pnwmom Jun 2012 #35
anyone who had ancestors in the us before 1900 is more likely to have had ancestors that HiPointDem Jun 2012 #40
Where in then history of the world have there been cultures who didn't clash, kill, and intermarry? pnwmom Jun 2012 #43
beside the point, but you know that already. i repeat, white people's ancestors are more likely HiPointDem Jun 2012 #45
That is true -- but it doesn't change the fact that many white people pnwmom Jun 2012 #48
"many" = how many and how many generations back, and how many documented? because HiPointDem Jun 2012 #50
You have more confidence in the public records of the 1800's than I do. And in the willingness pnwmom Jun 2012 #51
You think murder was more popular than sex? bhikkhu Jun 2012 #52
The history of the US demonstrates that it was. For example, ~700-1000 were killed/sold to the HiPointDem Jun 2012 #56
Minimizing the genocide that happened on this continent is repugnant. EFerrari Jun 2012 #46
Why is it minimizing it to compare it to the genocide that's gone down through the centuries? pnwmom Jun 2012 #47
they could hfojvt Jun 2012 #53
And in each generation, NA are a decreasing fraction of the total population = decreasing HiPointDem Jun 2012 #55
It can be very hard to prove with documentation rox63 Jun 2012 #6
documented in censuses. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #7
Not necessarily rox63 Jun 2012 #10
canada also had censuses & other forms of documentation. i'm not saying it's always possible HiPointDem Jun 2012 #13
I went to a geneological society in NH that specializes in French-Canadian family history rox63 Jun 2012 #15
Menu of Wabanaki / Abenaki Genealogy HiPointDem Jun 2012 #18
A link from that page that documents some of the difficulties rox63 Jun 2012 #38
If you'd done much genealogy, you'd know this was much harder than you think pnwmom Jun 2012 #19
I've done a fair amount of genealogy, i'm aware of the difficulties. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #20
Then why did you say, "documented in censuses" as if that was something simple? pnwmom Jun 2012 #23
because there are indian censuses, regular censuses, appendixes to censuses that document HiPointDem Jun 2012 #25
Tracing family lineage is a lot trickier than you are making out, with many pnwmom Jun 2012 #26
the inconsistencies in the records don't explain why every second white person has an NA HiPointDem Jun 2012 #28
Where do you get your statistic that "every second white person has an NA ancestor" pnwmom Jun 2012 #30
My husband has the same problem RockaFowler Jun 2012 #11
not having proof TBMASE Jun 2012 #16
I think my husband checked off a box at least once, decades ago, pnwmom Jun 2012 #21
Many courthouses and government records were destroyed during the Civil War. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #33
Another issue is that the initial Cherokee registry arbitrarily included some Cherokees pnwmom Jun 2012 #37
Is that because of the legal issues inherent when claiming to be a Cherokee. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #42
That would be "Dawes Rolls". n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2012 #49
Exactly. Her family had always told her she had some Native American ancestry, and she felt proud. Mister Ed Jun 2012 #9
And I can't explain why I'm jealous. pnwmom Jun 2012 #22
I would be proud, too. Quantess Jun 2012 #12
not unless everyone were living a traditional life. but you could say the same thing about any HiPointDem Jun 2012 #29
You make a good point. Quantess Jun 2012 #32
It is hard to be from Oklahoma and *not* have Native American ancestry flyingfysh Jun 2012 #36
There were more black people in Oklahoma in 1907 than NA. Why does no one go searching HiPointDem Jun 2012 #41
Here's an article about Henry Louis Gates, Jr: BrendaBrick Jun 2012 #39
I say I'm 2 parts native American,even tho I have no proof. athenasatanjesus Jun 2012 #44
I wouldn't care if she did make it up. It's trivial. limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #54
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