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merrily

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14. I don't think we disagree on implications of the things you cited. I think we may disagree on
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:08 PM
Dec 2015

root causes and timing.

For every book a Democratic author writes about a Republican President destroying the country, the Constitution or whatever, there is probably also at least one book written by a Republican author claiming a Democratic President has destroyed the country, the Constitution or whatever that resonates just as much with rank and file Republicans as the books you cite resonated with you. Heck, even the SCOTUS thought FDR and a Democratic Congress were trying to destroy the Constitution with the New Deal--and there was a lot of valid Constitutional interpretation at the time to support that view.

"Divide and Rule," and "Divide and Conquer" have been great strategies for seeking to conquer us and rule us. And, as the ideologies of the two largest political parties become less different than they were, say, in FDR's time, they've doubled down on demonizing each other.

I fully understand how that benefits politicians. I am considerably less clear on how and to what extent that benefits us. Then again, as my prior post intimated, they system was never intended to work to our benefit to begin with. We've made some inroads over time with Constitutional amendments, such as citizens' voting, rather than state legislatures' voting. However, within the basic structure of our plutocratic system, that kind of nibbling around the edges has not resulted in fundamental change.

Of course, we can agree not to vote for Trump. Any two relatively sane people can agree on that. Even the less than sane Kristol and Cheney apparently agree on that. You and I certainly can further agree never to vote Republican, as any two relatively sane Democrats can. However, that is not going to make anything less plutocratic, nor will it will make the system more truly representative of the majority of Americans, certainly not to extent of disadvantaging the plutocrats.

Broken Government [View all] H2O Man Dec 2015 OP
Okay, okay .... H2O Man Dec 2015 #1
(Thank you) H2O Man Dec 2015 #39
K&R. Insightful, well written, MannyGoldstein Dec 2015 #2
Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2015 #6
Another brilliant essay from H2O Man. Our nation is a powderkeg. Scuba Dec 2015 #3
Thanks, Scuba! H2O Man Dec 2015 #13
The most terrifying prospect of a Trump presidency is that he would not KingCharlemagne Dec 2015 #44
DKAS Octafish Dec 2015 #4
Very good! H2O Man Dec 2015 #15
To me, information is what this universe is all about. Octafish Dec 2015 #45
Beautiful music! H2O Man Dec 2015 #46
Great post. I believe a lot of us (not just at DU) know that the monsters are gaining ground. BlueJazz Dec 2015 #5
Very good! H2O Man Dec 2015 #23
Great post, even though I don't agree with the overarching premises. merrily Dec 2015 #7
Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2015 #12
I don't think we disagree on implications of the things you cited. I think we may disagree on merrily Dec 2015 #14
Great points! H2O Man Dec 2015 #17
Thank you. merrily Dec 2015 #21
Right. H2O Man Dec 2015 #24
I see a scary situation malaise Dec 2015 #8
We are sure going to have to invest heavily in annabanana Dec 2015 #18
Agreed malaise Dec 2015 #19
In my opinion, H2O Man Dec 2015 #26
I agree with all points malaise Dec 2015 #27
Recommended. I do see the toxins. mmonk Dec 2015 #9
Thank you. H2O Man Dec 2015 #28
The change that happened under Cheney mmonk Dec 2015 #43
We live in the most reality shareholders cannot block. raouldukelives Dec 2015 #10
Very well said. H2O Man Dec 2015 #29
A superb post. hifiguy Dec 2015 #31
Two Articles: KoKo Dec 2015 #11
Great! H2O Man Dec 2015 #30
Thank you! KoKo Dec 2015 #34
"How Donald Trump United America"--Politico KoKo Dec 2015 #16
Very good! H2O Man Dec 2015 #40
Wonderful thread, H20 Man Samantha Dec 2015 #20
Thank you, Samantha! H2O Man Dec 2015 #32
K&R Solly Mack Dec 2015 #22
In the years H2O Man Dec 2015 #33
I'll borrow a phrase from Chomsky & Herman Solly Mack Dec 2015 #37
.... AuntPatsy Dec 2015 #25
Right. H2O Man Dec 2015 #41
What do I see? Martin Eden Dec 2015 #35
"Yet Hope Remains." KoKo Dec 2015 #36
Extremely important points! H2O Man Dec 2015 #42
Junk food is a good analogy Martin Eden Dec 2015 #47
K & R for the excellent OP and the well reasoned responses :-))) mrdmk Dec 2015 #38
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