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BrotherIvan

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Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:19 PM Nov 2015

An Open Letter to the Admins and Owners of DU [View all]

This discussion thread was locked by EarlG (a host of the General Discussion forum).

To the Admins & Members of Democratic Underground:

It has been brought to my attention that some serious problems have arisen on DU and I urge you as a community to put a stop to it immediately.

As you may know, Catherina said goodbye to DU. Whether you agree with her views or not is immaterial to this discussion. What you may not know is that she has been the focus of personal stalking through social media by members of DU. On Saturday she received the following Twitter messages:



Here is a link to the actual account, though I have no doubt it will be removed once the owner sees this post. https://twitter.com/FFewafew

This account was created solely to harass her and while it could be argued that it’s just some internet troll, any honest person will immediately see this is someone with a personal grudge. Someone who knows her twitter ID. Someone who read her post on DU and the next day decided to send her these threats.

To the person who wrote these things:

Take a step back and think about what you’ve done. This kind of despicable language over message board discussions is so far from sane behavior, it should concern you as much as anyone. How could you get so wrapped up in team battles that you would write something like this to another human being? There is NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING that could ever be said on DU to warrant this kind of attack. NOTHING. EVER.


To the Admins:

Apparently doxxing has become a problem on DU with groups targeting individuals and searching for personal emails or Facebook accounts, even sending letters through the mail. This is a dangerous practice with only one motive: to inflict punishment upon another member in real life. Some posters have tried to make you aware of the situation and have requested you step in, but your inaction so far has allowed things to escalate to the point that members are now receiving the above messages.

You must put a stop to it right now. You must make it very clear that any indication of this type of behavior—on this site or any other—is grounds for immediate and permanent banning. Other sites have faced doxxing and threats before and this was the only course of action that put a stop to it. Reddit has been working on it; with 20x more members, if they can, you can. If not, DU deserves a reputation of “enter at your own risk” because if someone disagrees with you, you may have your personal information splashed all over the internet or you may be threatened.


To the members of DU:

I can only hope that you will do all you can to make sure that this type of behavior is not allowed. NEVER. Members should fully reject personal threats and bullying of any kind, no matter which candidate the person supports. Doxxing and bullying can have very serious implications for the victim in real life, so it is up to you to protect your fellow members. Things may get heated, but to turn a blind eye to any kind of stalking or harassment is cowardice. And if the administration does not make an effort to stop it, I urge you to find somewhere safe. If a website cannot maintain the basic rules of civil behavior and safe posting, then it is prudent to seek somewhere else.

Yes, this is meta and I have no doubt it will be alerted. But I do urge you to read and discuss it and hopefully to come up with ideas in order to ensure that members are safe.

Thank you,
Ivan

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That's a long-time troll who has posted the exact same stuff to many DUers. cyberswede Nov 2015 #1
I was just about to post this. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2015 #3
If people know who he is, it should be reported to Twitter BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #10
Go ahead and report it. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2015 #28
I don't have his IP address BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #35
MIRT doesn't have access to IP addresses. nt cyberswede Nov 2015 #39
Only Admin can see IP addresses. MIRT can't. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2015 #40
All twitter needs is his username--THEY have access to his IP address! MADem Nov 2015 #56
Yes, but isn't it lovely that Brother Ivan posts this thread in GD not Ask Administrators? KittyWampus Nov 2015 #143
Indeed. MADem Nov 2015 #151
You consider those tweets 'drama'? polly7 Nov 2015 #156
do you consider Catherina's twitter feed 'drama'? Despite attempts to hide them- KittyWampus Nov 2015 #158
That is HER twitter feed and whether you like it or not matters not one single fucking bit. polly7 Nov 2015 #161
He conceals his IP BainsBane Nov 2015 #130
How do you know? BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #4
Because this particular troll has been doing this Paulie Nov 2015 #9
This troll sometimes sends PMs on DU - TBF Nov 2015 #110
Exactly. Classic work of that troll. Paulie Nov 2015 #7
Even if that's the case pintobean Nov 2015 #12
And those released real names as in one of my ops Sheepshank Nov 2015 #149
Has he been banned? BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #17
That troll has been banned from DU probably hundreds of times. cyberswede Nov 2015 #22
And yet he keeps coming back. BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #26
Naaah. He's mentally ill. He has an obsessive need to shock people using crude, vile and violent MADem Nov 2015 #62
He did join Discussionist a few times that I know of. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2015 #70
Ha ha ha--the crowd over there would eat him alive!! MADem Nov 2015 #77
Every time he disappears (and he's been absent recently), greatauntoftriplets Nov 2015 #83
Library Girl--I remember when she went on a North Korea kick!! LOL!! MADem Nov 2015 #97
I met library girl, once, years ago! greatauntoftriplets Nov 2015 #103
corarose wrote the most epic ode to me on a blog once... ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #125
Hahaha!!! MADem Nov 2015 #135
I think I read that at the time. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2015 #136
It was that weird mishmash of every job I ever talked about having. LOL ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #153
That was Don_G, who was also banned. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2015 #157
Wow--you've been touched by DU FAME!!! MADem Nov 2015 #129
It was a very surreal experience. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2015 #137
That's exactly what I picture when I see posts like that.. mountain grammy Nov 2015 #134
He's been banned hundreds of times. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2015 #23
Thanks for the assist earlier, greatauntoftriplets! BlueCaliDem Nov 2015 #30
You're welcome. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2015 #31
DTG strikes again! zappaman Nov 2015 #29
Oh yeah, he attacked me when I was on MIRT...and that was ages ago. dixiegrrrrl Nov 2015 #42
"not a very mature person" demwing Nov 2015 #76
So should be reported to FBI, then, yes? n/t dixiegrrrrl Nov 2015 #154
OMG--I got a DUMAIL from that asshole, years ago!! If my old DUMAIL from the old site MADem Nov 2015 #43
Yep. He trolls other sites as well. one_voice Nov 2015 #46
Yes, that's the troll who sends PMs to DUers. yardwork Nov 2015 #53
Yup ismnotwasm Nov 2015 #69
Oh, it's SHART BainsBane Nov 2015 #71
+100 JustAnotherGen Nov 2015 #80
I don't think DTG and SHART are the same troll. cyberswede Nov 2015 #94
I understand that BainsBane Nov 2015 #118
Oh...I thought you were, since I was. cyberswede Nov 2015 #123
Yes. I realized that after the fact BainsBane Nov 2015 #126
Amen!!! A million times over!!! riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #2
Thank you. This should not be allowed to continue. BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #6
The admins don't own twitter. That guy is a lunatic troll who has been around for eons. MADem Nov 2015 #48
That's a troll that's been banned... one_voice Nov 2015 #47
Hnk! sibelian Nov 2015 #5
Yup I know nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #8
And the email I got Wednesday afternoon had detailed DU info Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #11
You received a personal email? BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #16
He's saying as well that his personal email address has been posted. merrily Nov 2015 #58
That's messed up BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #67
You bet! merrily Nov 2015 #88
We should be pulling together to protect each other riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #113
Why would someone get so angry over what is posted on a discussion board? Throd Nov 2015 #13
I received similar messages quite some time ago sharp_stick Nov 2015 #14
Yes, part of his M.O. is to PM before he gets banned. zappaman Nov 2015 #33
That is sickening but I am glad you brought it to our attention. Luminous Animal Nov 2015 #15
This troll has been on the internet since at least 2008 - present on many, many websites NRaleighLiberal Nov 2015 #18
she should give it to the fbi for terroristic roguevalley Nov 2015 #49
Yes, definitely. n/t whathehell Nov 2015 #93
How do you know this is coming from a DUer? sufrommich Nov 2015 #19
+1 leftstreet Nov 2015 #24
For one, her tweets and apparently my account as well as she tweets me BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #27
That's not proof leftstreet Nov 2015 #36
There are other instances that have been reported to the Admins BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #45
Still not proof it comes from a member of DU n/t leftstreet Nov 2015 #65
The screenshots contain DU members discussing personal info BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #84
What screenshots? leftstreet Nov 2015 #85
"Could be" but not probably. eom NorthCarolina Nov 2015 #55
Bullshit,stop making fact free accusations against DUers. sufrommich Nov 2015 #38
Wow. That's your reaction to this? No empathy for the victim? nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #86
That seems to be in very short supply on this thread BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #90
Post removed Post removed Nov 2015 #95
In other words, "the victim deserved it"? Always the rationalization. nm rhett o rick Nov 2015 #112
Yeah,no. As a host,perhaps you can explain why this accusatory sufrommich Nov 2015 #117
Ick. polly7 Nov 2015 #115
Yes, that is quite a coincidence. polly7 Nov 2015 #68
Yes. I'm especially concerned if it's known to be a DU member. Laurian Nov 2015 #41
You may want to copy this to ATA sharp_stick Nov 2015 #20
That guy is a wellknown repeat troll known as "DTG" to the mods and admins. nt CJCRANE Nov 2015 #21
That's Death Threat Guy... SidDithers Nov 2015 #25
Oh hey - It's death threat guy Oneironaut Nov 2015 #32
Thank you. Did not know. oldandhappy Nov 2015 #34
That's not a DUer... That's a nutbar who's been sending those messages ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #37
I don't know if it's one guy. I think it's "copypasta." Oneironaut Nov 2015 #44
I second this motion Demeter Nov 2015 #50
Dear god ......... poor Catherina. polly7 Nov 2015 #51
Crazies abound, and not only in the United States. WinkyDink Nov 2015 #52
Brother Ivan, I am so happy to see you again, friend, though sorry about this ugly news. merrily Nov 2015 #54
Everyone is focusing just on the tweets BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #64
That's what makes you who you are and why I admire you. merrily Nov 2015 #96
There is cyberstalking going on nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #101
Apparently there is BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #127
so now that you know this is not an actual du'er, perhaps you should delete. mopinko Nov 2015 #57
I wanted to start a discussion about things that were happening to other members BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #82
A yucky guy, for sure. Not seeing how DU is responsible. nt sibelian Nov 2015 #59
This OP has blamed DU'ers for these awful threats... one_voice Nov 2015 #60
I alerted on it as a fact free accusation against DUers. sufrommich Nov 2015 #73
+1. nt MADem Nov 2015 #74
+1 leftstreet Nov 2015 #78
Ditto. cwydro Nov 2015 #81
I have seen a screenshot from another site BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #89
From 'another site,' not DU? leftstreet Nov 2015 #100
This particular troll has nothing to do with any of those things. cyberswede Nov 2015 #102
I do not have as much as experience with this troll as some have BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #104
Thank you for admitting this may not be a DU member n/t leftstreet Nov 2015 #111
I really like you, BrotherIvan, but I think a lot of us have a BIG problem with your refusal ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #114
I think people have made their point very well BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #139
That's really not what I said. You've connected something that isn't from a DUer ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #144
Thank you... cyberswede Nov 2015 #120
Fair enough BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #122
"people have complained"..Who has made those accusations? misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #119
I never said I wasn't offended by what was being said... one_voice Nov 2015 #132
+1 ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #146
Here's an example of a "disruptive meta" thread. yardwork Nov 2015 #61
I agree... cyberswede Nov 2015 #128
Same here since it was immediately clear to me who it was. greatauntoftriplets Nov 2015 #141
Ha! You aren't the only one. ScreamingMeemie Nov 2015 #150
Sounds like a robotroll! Helen Borg Nov 2015 #63
Dear God. historylovr Nov 2015 #66
Altho your intentions are good dixiegrrrrl Nov 2015 #72
I've just alerted Twitter about this account MrScorpio Nov 2015 #75
Thank you BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #91
I did. nt cyberswede Nov 2015 #107
What would this sick person prefer, I wonder? Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #79
If only someone could find out what town he lived in.... MADem Nov 2015 #108
Wow. Some people get all bent out of shape. PatrickforO Nov 2015 #87
Rise Above It Quantess Nov 2015 #92
I reported it on Twitter yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #98
Thanks BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #109
Gokigenyo! yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #131
Not gonna happen rjsquirrel Nov 2015 #142
Actually it has happened before yuiyoshida Nov 2015 #145
This site, if not already, could use a proxy blocking plug-in to deny atomized IP addresses. nt TheBlackAdder Nov 2015 #99
Admins went through this once already with the Attacks from actual DU members on Bravenak. misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #105
Two points nadinbrzezinski Nov 2015 #121
One Point. I am referring to the blame listed in the OP. misterhighwasted Nov 2015 #147
Yup, this has happened and DUers and the Admin don't seem to care riderinthestorm Nov 2015 #152
Great post, Brother Ivan marym625 Nov 2015 #106
Thanks, Mary BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #116
it's rather amazing. marym625 Nov 2015 #148
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Nov 2015 #124
Thank you. At least now we know it's not a DUer, which is a relief magical thyme Nov 2015 #133
Good to see you, BrotherIvan. Enthusiast Nov 2015 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author KittyWampus Nov 2015 #140
There is ZERO evidence this has anything to do with DU so your assertion is bullsh*t. KittyWampus Nov 2015 #155
People found me on twitter after I left BrotherIvan Nov 2015 #159
I've received almost daily emails from this person EarlG Nov 2015 #160
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