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117. Also recommended: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67U0_SUt5NM

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Sun May 27, 2012, 12:04 AM

May 2012

Dr. Andrew Wakefield's Lecture at Brandeis University (1:43:10)
2011-04-13

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I bet this get's the Anti-vaxxers in a tizzy MicaelS Feb 2012 #1

Please broaden your reading. proverbialwisdom Feb 2012 #25

So when my kid gets sick ceile Feb 2012 #26

Fear mongering. 'Tho there will be cognitive dissonance, here's a better frame for asking questions. proverbialwisdom Feb 2012 #30

Age of Austism is your source? ceile Feb 2012 #34

Proudly. Observe the meticulous investigative journalism on display here, including video. proverbialwisdom Feb 2012 #60

"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you..." Then? proverbialwisdom May 2012 #110

MUST SEE: Full Wakefield lecture plus Q&A (1:43:10) @ Brandeis University introduced by Jake Crosby. proverbialwisdom May 2012 #122

Neutral POV here, why are you just outright dismissing ageofautism? Zalatix Feb 2012 #71

They are starting from the POV that autism is caused by vaccines or other 'bad things' jeff47 Feb 2012 #88

Ah hah, much thanks for the info. Zalatix Feb 2012 #94

The vaccine doesn't get approved if that 'gamble' isn't proven to be a good bet. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2012 #98

They, they, they? Actually, it could be any of us. For you, some HEARTBREAKING ESSENTIAL READING. proverbialwisdom Feb 2012 #96

Volume of material is not the same as 'correct' material. jeff47 Feb 2012 #99

Explosive CNN interview with former CDC Chief Gerberding, 48 relevant peer-reviewed journal article proverbialwisdom Feb 2012 #101

Age of Autism = woo woo Taverner Feb 2012 #44

Btw, this post is why we call anti-vax people idiots. jeff47 Feb 2012 #51

There is no "anti anti-vaccine movement." There are those that accept real science cleanhippie Feb 2012 #37

don't know where they got their facts mzteris Feb 2012 #48

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I'm not concerned for myself XemaSab Feb 2012 #40

Dude, save it. I am totally 100% anti-vax yup its me Feb 2012 #42

Clearly you are. You're also totally, completely wrong. TheWraith Feb 2012 #43

Technically, the poster is correct Kellerfeller Feb 2012 #58

Doesn't help when the 'pros' keep adding more and more things to "Autism" jeff47 Feb 2012 #59

Huh??!?!?!?!?!?! "Most kids today show signs of autism spectrum" Taverner Feb 2012 #45

Actually, vaccines for children in the US have 0 mercury in them, since 2000. jeff47 Feb 2012 #53

FYI, I recently read differently. proverbialwisdom Feb 2012 #63

Yes, well, you read a website that is totally full of shit. TheWraith Feb 2012 #67

You should probably go back and re-read my post for the key word you missed. jeff47 Feb 2012 #80

From comments to: http://www.ageofautism.com/2012/05/autism-community-congress-is-listening.html# proverbialwisdom May 2012 #107

If you're going to resurrect a thread from February, you should respond to the post. (nt) jeff47 May 2012 #108

I'm not qualified, however, watch the IOM video to WITNESS the physicians/scientists who are. proverbialwisdom May 2012 #109

No, they're not qualified. jeff47 May 2012 #111

"Fifteen well-respected and tenured researchers & scientists testified at the invitation of the IOM. proverbialwisdom May 2012 #112

Having credentials does not mean you are correct, or qualified jeff47 May 2012 #113

Please DO SEE Wakefield's presentation (38:44 min): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ei0QSvKdgw proverbialwisdom May 2012 #116

So I should change my view based on a documented liar? jeff47 May 2012 #118

Nonsense, as you'd find if you watched THE ENTIRE ASTONISHING VIDEO in post #117. proverbialwisdom May 2012 #119

Yes, to survive as a liar, you have to have an excellent demeanor jeff47 May 2012 #120

You are misinformed, as time will tell; he's been vetted by the highest stakeholders, autismparents. proverbialwisdom May 2012 #121

Nope. jeff47 May 2012 #123

We do agree with Michelangelo's quote, "Trifles make perfection, and perfection is no trifle." proverbialwisdom May 2012 #124

So...you believe him because he lies effectively. jeff47 May 2012 #125

Also recommended: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67U0_SUt5NM proverbialwisdom May 2012 #117

I think you'd be hard pressed to prove even that quakerboy Feb 2012 #73

Oh I am not sure there is a link, but still it is not good to have mercury in your water Taverner Feb 2012 #84

I am definitly on your side in this discussion, but, just to keep to the facts... reACTIONary Feb 2012 #102

I wasnt aware of that quakerboy Feb 2012 #103

You might want to look at the autism spectrum a little closer... jmowreader Feb 2012 #72

Do you include people with concerns about individual vaccines pnwmom May 2012 #115

My Dad's doctor told him to get a colonoscopy (screening) or find another doctor. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #2

so if your dad doesn't get the screening, then gets sick, provis99 Feb 2012 #4

Do you think doctors should kick out people who decline a colonoscopy? limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #5

it's a private business. they can refuse any customer they want. provis99 Feb 2012 #6

But you think people should be kicked out if they don't have a colonscopy. That's different. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #11

Do you think that a DR should have to waste time quakerboy Feb 2012 #74

This is off topic. The thread is supposed to be about vaccinations. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #79

I thought you raised a good point quakerboy Feb 2012 #95

According to medical ethics, patients can legally and ethically refuse any treatment or Zoeisright Feb 2012 #7

Zoe is, in fact, quite right tavalon Feb 2012 #16

Do you think my dad is the suing type? limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #9

Your dad not getting a colonoscopy won't kill me or my family. jeff47 Feb 2012 #50

I am not an 'anti-vaxer' by any means and in fact have had LibertyLover Feb 2012 #82

I'm not saying you are jeff47 Feb 2012 #87

The point is with those who, for different reasons, cannot get vaccinated. KitSileya Feb 2012 #93

I don't. 1620rock Feb 2012 #3

Doctors should no more "dismiss" patients for declining a recommendation than shoe salespeople... saras Feb 2012 #8

problem is - those unvaccinated kids mzteris Feb 2012 #49

The problem is, though, once again, where does it end? LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #55

Vaccine's are somewhat of a special case Sgent Feb 2012 #10

That's what I would think too bhikkhu Feb 2012 #12

Just wanted to point out Sgent Feb 2012 #13

Oh, really? Missy Vixen Feb 2012 #36

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Word XemaSab Feb 2012 #41

No worries, there are plenty of Homeopathic doctors for these families. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #14

I hope that's sarcasm. nt Confusious Feb 2012 #15

Do those doctors accept homepathic paper money as payment? boppers Feb 2012 #75

That's punishing the child for the parents' idiocy mainer Feb 2012 #17

Well, those parents are trying to kill my kid. jeff47 Feb 2012 #18

The parents are already punishing their child for their own idiocy. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #19

The kid is a fucking biological weapon due to the parent's idiocy alcibiades_mystery Feb 2012 #31

Best reply in the whole thread MissB Feb 2012 #61

Holy shit that's a spot-on post. Codeine Feb 2012 #64

Then maybe the parents should stop being idiots. Problem solved. (nt) Posteritatis Feb 2012 #78

Attorneys can "fire" clients hifiguy Feb 2012 #20

My baby docs did this - and I approve AngryAmish Feb 2012 #21

It makes sense Aerows Feb 2012 #22

Good proud2BlibKansan Feb 2012 #23

Exactly. I dont want my kid getting one of the serious diseases because of someone else's paranoia. stevenleser Feb 2012 #33

I know some pediatricians have special days for non-vax kids mainer Feb 2012 #24

Freedom of conscience is a two-way street Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2012 #27

Should provide a market for non-vac doctors, then. MNBrewer Feb 2012 #28

My worry is that this will push the anti-vaxers further into woo-woo crap Taverner Feb 2012 #47

Then Darwin will take care of the problem. (nt) jeff47 Feb 2012 #54

I agree with the docs, no use trying to reason with woo-woos. Odin2005 Feb 2012 #29

There are a lot of dermatologists that will refuse to see people with obvious suntans stevenleser Feb 2012 #32

My pediatrician was actually among the first to do this. Denver Donkeys Feb 2012 #35

On one hand this is good - anti-vax nuts would be hard to talk to Taverner Feb 2012 #46

Most jumped that shark long back... JCMach1 Feb 2012 #69

While I think that the anti-vaccine movement is dangerous and repulsive... LeftishBrit Feb 2012 #52

Let's say you're an anti-vaxxer. jeff47 Feb 2012 #56

This is my concern. The child is a victim, and may not be able to get healthcare. mainer Feb 2012 #89

Rude dismissal of people with legitimate concerns about vaccines Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #57

No. jeff47 Feb 2012 #62

This not a Republican forum Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #65

Specifically what "nuanced" solution are you trying to create? jeff47 Feb 2012 #85

As to mercury - Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #90

If you want to be utterly pedantic, you should be correct yourself. jeff47 Feb 2012 #97

I was very clear in my initial post about mercury in vaccines Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #100

Because the discussion is based on pseudo-science of the first order JCMach1 Feb 2012 #68

Did you look at the medical research articles I provided? Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #70

But what you don't post is all the studies to the contrary... JCMach1 Feb 2012 #77

You might want to read what I actually wrote, rather than what you assume I wrote. Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #86

Lots of problems. boppers Feb 2012 #76

Mandatory v. Voluntary are not the only options. Ms. Toad Feb 2012 #92

I would do it if I were a doctor... such complete idiocy amounts JCMach1 Feb 2012 #66

Good - Having unvacinated children in their office is a health threat NeedleCast Feb 2012 #81

Good for them, those idiots put the rest of us at risk... truebrit71 Feb 2012 #83

K&R PhoenixAbove Feb 2012 #91

FYI. Clumsy, but embedding links causes the text to vanish. proverbialwisdom Feb 2012 #104

Related thread. proverbialwisdom Mar 2012 #105

Barbara Loe Fisher: The Battle to Defend Non-Medical Vaccine Exemptions Is Worth Fighting proverbialwisdom Mar 2012 #106

FORBES: Revised Recommendations for Vaccines Are Being Phased In, CDC Report Says. proverbialwisdom May 2012 #114