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In reply to the discussion: CIA director withheld information about JFK assassination [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)35. THAT is the crux of the dilemma: Secret Government does not trump the Constitution.
No matter what their secret charter says. No. Really. Ask one of the last Congressmen who dared ask the Intel Community to sit down...
Pike asked NSA produce its charter. He was told 'It's Top Secret' & Congress was not cleared.
The first congressman to battle the NSA is dead.
No-one noticed, no-one cares.
By Mark Ames
Pando, written on February 4, 2014
EXCERPT...
It was Pikes committee that got the first ever admissionfrom CIA director William Colbythat the NSA was routinely tapping Americans' phone calls. Days after that stunning confession, Pike succeeded in getting the head of the NSA, Lew Allen Jr., to testify in public before his committeethe first time in history that an NSA chief publicly testified. It was the first time that the NSA publicly maintained that it was legally entitled to wiretap Americans communications overseas, in spite of the 1934 Communications Act and other legal restrictions placed on other intelligence and law enforcement agencies.
It was also the first time an NSA chief publicly lied to Congress, claiming it was not eavesdropping on domestic or overseas phone calls involving American citizens. (Technically, legalistically, the NSA argued that it hadn't liedthe reason being that since Americans werent specifically targeted in the NSA's vast data-vacuuming programs in the 1970s, recording and storing every phone call and telex cable in computers which were then data-mined for keywords, that therefore they werent technically eavesdropping on Americans who just happened to be swept up into the wiretapping vacuum.)
Pike quickly discovered the fundamental problem with the NSA: It was by far the largest intelligence agency, and yet it was birthed unlike any other, as a series of murky executive orders under Truman at the peak of Cold War hysteria. Digging into the NSAs murky beginnings, it quickly became clear that the agency was explicitly chartered in such a way that placed it beyond legal accountability, out of reach of the other branches of government. Unlike the CIA, which came into being under an act of Congress, the NSAs founding charter was a national secret.
SNIP...
In early August, 1975, Pike ordered the NSA to produce its charter document, National Security Council Intelligence Directive No. 6. The Pentagons intelligence czar, Albert Hall, appeared before the Pike Committee that daybut without the classified NSA charter. Hall reminded Pike that the Ford White House had offered to show the NSA charter document to Pikes committee just as it had done with Churchs Senate Committee members, who had agreed to merely view the charter at a government location outside of Congress, without entering the secret document into the Senate record. Officially, publicly, it still didnt exist. Pike refused to accept that:
Assistant Defense Secretary Hall told an incredulous Pike that he hadnt brought the NSA charter with him as hed been told to, and that he couldnt because I need clearance and the charter has secret material in it.
Pike exploded:
CONTINUED...
https://pando.com/2014/02/04/the-first-congressman-to-battle-the-nsa-is-dead-no-one-noticed-no-one-cares/
No-one noticed, no-one cares.
By Mark Ames
Pando, written on February 4, 2014
EXCERPT...
It was Pikes committee that got the first ever admissionfrom CIA director William Colbythat the NSA was routinely tapping Americans' phone calls. Days after that stunning confession, Pike succeeded in getting the head of the NSA, Lew Allen Jr., to testify in public before his committeethe first time in history that an NSA chief publicly testified. It was the first time that the NSA publicly maintained that it was legally entitled to wiretap Americans communications overseas, in spite of the 1934 Communications Act and other legal restrictions placed on other intelligence and law enforcement agencies.
It was also the first time an NSA chief publicly lied to Congress, claiming it was not eavesdropping on domestic or overseas phone calls involving American citizens. (Technically, legalistically, the NSA argued that it hadn't liedthe reason being that since Americans werent specifically targeted in the NSA's vast data-vacuuming programs in the 1970s, recording and storing every phone call and telex cable in computers which were then data-mined for keywords, that therefore they werent technically eavesdropping on Americans who just happened to be swept up into the wiretapping vacuum.)
Pike quickly discovered the fundamental problem with the NSA: It was by far the largest intelligence agency, and yet it was birthed unlike any other, as a series of murky executive orders under Truman at the peak of Cold War hysteria. Digging into the NSAs murky beginnings, it quickly became clear that the agency was explicitly chartered in such a way that placed it beyond legal accountability, out of reach of the other branches of government. Unlike the CIA, which came into being under an act of Congress, the NSAs founding charter was a national secret.
SNIP...
In early August, 1975, Pike ordered the NSA to produce its charter document, National Security Council Intelligence Directive No. 6. The Pentagons intelligence czar, Albert Hall, appeared before the Pike Committee that daybut without the classified NSA charter. Hall reminded Pike that the Ford White House had offered to show the NSA charter document to Pikes committee just as it had done with Churchs Senate Committee members, who had agreed to merely view the charter at a government location outside of Congress, without entering the secret document into the Senate record. Officially, publicly, it still didnt exist. Pike refused to accept that:
Youre talking about the document that set up the entire N.S.A., its one which all members [of Congress] are entitled to see without shuttling back and forth downtown to look at.
Assistant Defense Secretary Hall told an incredulous Pike that he hadnt brought the NSA charter with him as hed been told to, and that he couldnt because I need clearance and the charter has secret material in it.
Pike exploded:
It seems incredible to me, very frankly, that we are asked to appropriate large amounts of money for that agency which employs large numbers of people without being provided a copy of the piece of paper by which the agency is authorized.
CONTINUED...
https://pando.com/2014/02/04/the-first-congressman-to-battle-the-nsa-is-dead-no-one-noticed-no-one-cares/
This history from way back when is why the in-crowd occupying Wall Street-on-the-Potomac are doing so swell from all the wars without end, while most of the rest of the country can get tossed out of their jobs and homes by banksters without anyone really doing anything about it.
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Remarkable, considering how Corporate McPravda has only played the lone nut tune since Nov. 22, 1963
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#35
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K&R! Thanks for the thread, octafish! Also, thanks for your tireless dedication to exposing the
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