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Octafish

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35. THAT is the crux of the dilemma: Secret Government does not trump the Constitution.
Wed Oct 14, 2015, 02:47 PM
Oct 2015

No matter what their secret charter says. No. Really. Ask one of the last Congressmen who dared ask the Intel Community to sit down...

Pike asked NSA produce its charter. He was told 'It's Top Secret' & Congress was not cleared.



The first congressman to battle the NSA is dead.

No-one noticed, no-one cares.


By Mark Ames
Pando, written on February 4, 2014

EXCERPT...

It was Pike’s committee that got the first ever admission—from CIA director William Colby—that the NSA was routinely tapping Americans' phone calls. Days after that stunning confession, Pike succeeded in getting the head of the NSA, Lew Allen Jr., to testify in public before his committee—the first time in history that an NSA chief publicly testified. It was the first time that the NSA publicly maintained that it was legally entitled to wiretap Americans’ communications overseas, in spite of the 1934 Communications Act and other legal restrictions placed on other intelligence and law enforcement agencies.

It was also the first time an NSA chief publicly lied to Congress, claiming it was not eavesdropping on domestic or overseas phone calls involving American citizens. (Technically, legalistically, the NSA argued that it hadn't lied—the reason being that since Americans weren’t specifically “targeted” in the NSA's vast data-vacuuming programs in the 1970s, recording and storing every phone call and telex cable in computers which were then data-mined for keywords, that therefore they weren’t technically eavesdropping on Americans who just happened to be swept up into the wiretapping vacuum.)

Pike quickly discovered the fundamental problem with the NSA: It was by far the largest intelligence agency, and yet it was birthed unlike any other, as a series of murky executive orders under Truman at the peak of Cold War hysteria. Digging into the NSA’s murky beginnings, it quickly became clear that the agency was explicitly chartered in such a way that placed it beyond legal accountability, out of reach of the other branches of government. Unlike the CIA, which came into being under an act of Congress, the NSA’s founding charter was a national secret.

SNIP...

In early August, 1975, Pike ordered the NSA to produce its “charter” document, National Security Council Intelligence Directive No. 6. The Pentagon’s intelligence czar, Albert Hall, appeared before the Pike Committee that day—but without the classified NSA charter. Hall reminded Pike that the Ford White House had offered to show the NSA charter document to Pike’s committee just as it had done with Church’s Senate Committee members, who had agreed to merely view the charter at a government location outside of Congress, without entering the secret document into the Senate record. Officially, publicly, it still didn’t exist. Pike refused to accept that:

“You’re talking about the document that set up the entire N.S.A., it’s one which all members [of Congress] are entitled to see without shuttling back and forth downtown to look at.”

Assistant Defense Secretary Hall told an incredulous Pike that he hadn’t brought the NSA charter with him as he’d been told to, and that he couldn’t because “I need clearance” and the charter “has secret material in it.”

Pike exploded:

“It seems incredible to me, very frankly, that we are asked to appropriate large amounts of money for that agency which employs large numbers of people without being provided a copy of the piece of paper by which the agency is authorized.”

CONTINUED...

https://pando.com/2014/02/04/the-first-congressman-to-battle-the-nsa-is-dead-no-one-noticed-no-one-cares/


This history from way back when is why the in-crowd occupying Wall Street-on-the-Potomac are doing so swell from all the wars without end, while most of the rest of the country can get tossed out of their jobs and homes by banksters without anyone really doing anything about it.
This is no surprise. Even back in the day, there were very few Arkansas Granny Oct 2015 #1
Remarkable, considering how Corporate McPravda has only played the lone nut tune since Nov. 22, 1963 Octafish Oct 2015 #5
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The Safari Club Octafish Nov 2015 #85
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Absolutely, jwirr: The nation and world have not been the same since. Octafish Nov 2015 #86
I know and thank you for this info. I wonder what we would jwirr Nov 2015 #88
I never did. I was 22 when JFK was killed. trof Oct 2015 #45
was it not commonly known in 1963 that the CIA worked with the mafia? GreatGazoo Oct 2015 #2
No. Neither were the CIA-Mafia assassination contracts on Castro and Cuban leadership. Octafish Oct 2015 #6
Thank You Bobcat Oct 2015 #11
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K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2015 #3
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Duh! malaise Oct 2015 #4
Prescott Bush wrote to Clover Dulles... Octafish Oct 2015 #26
Thanks Octafish malaise Oct 2015 #29
You are most welcome, malaise! Octafish Oct 2015 #38
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The Origins of the Overclass Octafish Oct 2015 #39
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That video.... CanSocDem Oct 2015 #32
I believe Gerald Ford said before he died lovuian Oct 2015 #12
A book deal thing... Octafish Oct 2015 #50
For a change this won't get locked as conspiracy Omaha Steve Oct 2015 #13
The issue is truth. Octafish Oct 2015 #18
OMG, not again! Getting old! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #20
That's your opinion. Octafish Oct 2015 #24
Oswald did it but keep up the dream. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #25
That's what Allen Dulles and J Edgar Hoover said. Octafish Oct 2015 #27
OH FFS, i get it that CTs are fun, but give it up! Nt Logical Oct 2015 #28
I won't give up, as I think perpetrators are still at large. Octafish Oct 2015 #34
LOL! I find it funny how sad some are here that they cannot allow others to talk Rex Oct 2015 #41
+1 dmr Oct 2015 #70
Then just keep fucking scrolling Oilwellian Oct 2015 #68
Lol, there is a dedicated forum for this stuff. Lok for it. Nt Logical Oct 2015 #72
is it not appropriate discussion restorefreedom Oct 2015 #78
I found John Davis' "Mafia Kingfisher: Carlos Marcello and the and the Assassination of John F. ... Eleanors38 Oct 2015 #58
"What the agency believed was the 'best truth' whathehell Oct 2015 #14
THAT is the crux of the dilemma: Secret Government does not trump the Constitution. Octafish Oct 2015 #35
We were lying before, but we're telling the truth now. Honest. Case closed. Karmadillo Oct 2015 #16
My Q: If they obstructed justice in the context of the JFK assassination... Octafish Oct 2015 #37
K&R Go Vols Oct 2015 #17
One of the most complete reports on the story... Octafish Oct 2015 #49
No wonder he did that. lonestarnot Oct 2015 #19
POLITICO as the fountainhead is interesting, too. Octafish Oct 2015 #52
It really doesn't matter unless McCone suppressed material evidence struggle4progress Oct 2015 #21
Which is exactly what McCone did. Octafish Oct 2015 #53
Re: this conspiracy theory... YoungDemCA Oct 2015 #22
Consistent with Talbot’s claims JFK’s policies did pose a dire threat to “deep power” interests MinM Oct 2015 #33
I cannot wait to read that book. hifiguy Oct 2015 #42
JFK v Allen W Dulles part ii MinM Oct 2015 #51
K&R! Thanks for the thread, octafish! Also, thanks for your tireless dedication to exposing the Ghost in the Machine Oct 2015 #23
McCone had ties to Reagan Octafish Oct 2015 #60
Where is your...ahem!...fan club? nt ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #31
They pretend I'm supposed to side with Dean Wormer. Octafish Oct 2015 #61
Allen Dulles, the very man Kennedy fired for the Bay of Pigs fiasco hifiguy Oct 2015 #36
Dulles knew Bay of Pigs Operation was COMPROMISED, yet gave it his blessing... Octafish Oct 2015 #62
A JFK post on October 14?! KamaAina Oct 2015 #43
You don't like JFK? Octafish Oct 2015 #63
Love him, but DU's annual JFK-fest doesn't usually start intil next month KamaAina Oct 2015 #66
Thanks, KamaAina! Octafish Oct 2015 #67
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(U) DCI John McCone and the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy - David Robarge Octafish Oct 2015 #46
UPI MinM Oct 2015 #48
k & r & thanks! Ignore the anti-truth brigade here as I do wildbilln864 Oct 2015 #47
Justice stepped up for Plutocracy Octafish Oct 2015 #65
The Murder of JFK: Another Puzzle Piece Solved eridani Oct 2015 #54
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The Murder of JFK, Part 2: Counterfeit ID Planted in Oswald's Wallet? eridani Oct 2015 #56
When was the planted wallet discussed in Warren Report or on television? Octafish Oct 2015 #71
k&r nt bananas Oct 2015 #57
Winchester 2525 Octafish Oct 2015 #69
What's Winchester 2525? bananas Oct 2015 #79
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Seymour Hersh got taken in by someone foisting disinformation. Octafish Oct 2015 #73
Reznikoff and Hersh hoodwinked by fake documents | The Education Forum MinM Oct 2015 #74
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Play's run is over...btw, it touched on how the Gloria Oct 2015 #77
A 'benign cover up'...wow they sling the bullshit fast and hard! Rex Oct 2015 #64
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k&r nt Electric Monk Oct 2015 #81
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DCI Dulles and JCS chair Lemnitzer counseled JFK launch all-out attack on USSR in 1961. Octafish Nov 2015 #84
Funny how one sentence ohheckyeah Nov 2015 #89
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