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flamingdem

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Sun Oct 4, 2015, 01:58 AM Oct 2015

Richard Dawkins & Bill Maher Still Baffled Why So Many Liberals Think They're Bigots - Alternet [View all]

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/richard-dawkins-bill-maher-still-baffled-why-so-many-liberals-think-theyre-bigots

Bill Maher and his good friend, Richard Dawkins, sat down on his show Real Time last night for the fifth time in almost eight seasons. Their discussion, per usual, was an agreeable, tedious mix of self-victimization and indignation about why so many on the left - specifically the Twitter left - think their obsession with "radical Islam" makes them bigots.

"It's so dumb, because all the people who are accused of being Islamophobes like you and me and Sam [Harris], we're liberals." Maher said perplexed. "When I was a child in my home, I was seven and my parents said 'we're for Kennedy, we're for him letting black people go to college in the south" Maher fumed, as Dawkins nodded enthusiastically along with Maher's notoriously sycophantic audience.

"Why don't liberals love us?", they ask. "We're so goddamn liberal but for some reason our critiques of Islam are seen as hateful". And while Maher is correct that he's generally good on taxes and calling out Republican bigotry, this doesn't give him a free pass on his rank Islamophobia (a term he thinks is "meaningless".)

Firstly, no one thinks "Islam is a protected species" as Maher put it. This is a typical strawman New Athiest employ. Dawkins doesn't go after "all religions" equally. Quite the opposite, he has said that Islam is uniquely sinister, referring to it as "unmitigated evil", on numerous occasions. Accusations of bigotry against Dawkins, therefore, are not selective in favor of Islam, they are a reaction to his selective, repeated highlighting of it - fair or not. Secondly, this position is dripping with libertarian false equivalency. The "I criticize all religions equally" is the close cousin to "I criticize all races equally" -- a principle that sounds cute in theory but willfully ignores the burden of history and imperialism.

To the Mahers and the Dawkins of the world, the connection between America's wars in the Middle East is cosmetic at best, and "silly liberal" relativism, at worst. That President Obama - who Maher gave $1 million to in 2012 - has bombed seven Muslim countries in as many years is seen as irrelevant. Western panic and outrage over "women in beekeepers suits" (what Maher calls burkas) is entirely divorced from the convenient "civilizing mission" of America's wars in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. America is always the reluctant warrior who is forced to bomb, occupy, and invade those hot-headed Muslims, the inverse - that Muslims may become radicalized because of our bombing, occupying and invasions - is never truly entertained much less factored in. It was fitting that around the time their self-indulgent interview was being recorded, the US was shelling a hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, killing 19 - including three children.

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*yawn* Yet another anti-atheist, anti-Obama hit piece. LAGC Oct 2015 #1
I hear you flamingdem Oct 2015 #3
+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #9
So to sum it up..... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2015 #2
I despise all organized religion, and I am a liberal. ladyVet Oct 2015 #4
Post removed Post removed Oct 2015 #5
He ends by describing why Islam should be a protected species, having denied that anyone says that muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #6
Yeah-- it's absurd. Not to mention... Marr Oct 2015 #13
Sorry you don't get to treat women like slaves, hide them away and rape and kill them at will npk Oct 2015 #7
Bill and Richard are correct. Why is Alternet promoting a religion that allows the stoning of gay Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #8
+1000 smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #10
Thanks, but I'd really like to hear what the OP has to say about that. People should not criticize Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #11
I agree with you and I would like to hear it as well. In my opinion, there is no defense. smirkymonkey Oct 2015 #12
It is time to draw attention to their weasle words and make them clearly defend exactly what they Bluenorthwest Oct 2015 #15
I'd like to hear an answer to this as well. /nt Marr Oct 2015 #14
From the comments, it appears that most on DU have no problem cpwm17 Oct 2015 #16
Maher and Dawkins were both against the invasion of Iraq muriel_volestrangler Oct 2015 #18
Real Time with Bill Maher started on February 21, 2003 cpwm17 Oct 2015 #19
Two conformist corporate monkeys wearing suits and ties while spewing lies. hunter Oct 2015 #17
Just because America has been wrong LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #20
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