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ericson00

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Fri Aug 14, 2015, 12:53 AM Aug 2015

Would Donald Trump really be that easy to beat? [View all]

We all know the standard "Trump's favorability is low" or that Trump loses badly (read present tense, not future tense) in head-to-head polls.

However, this guy is clearly the best political genius since Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan. Trump was supposed to be dead before he announced. Here's a list of Trump's deaths.
0. Demanding Obama's birth certificate
1. Insulting undocumented workers who simply do jobs Americans won't.
2. Demeaning John McCain's war record
3. Saying "Obama will stop blacks from ever being president again."
4. Raising his hand at Baier's question.
5. The Luntz [rigged] "focus group."
6. The sexist quip at Megyn Kelly.
...

Yet he continues to rise in the polls, and now is beating Scott Walker in Iowa, still ahead in NH, and ahead in all national polls. He may even neutralize the Kochs entirely, as his presence in the debate helped other far right guys like Ben Carson and Ted Cruz overtake Jeb W. Bush and Scott Walker. This guy is politically savvy for sure. He also does not have Jeb's foot-in-mouth disease; everything Trump says he clearly means to say because he knows how there is a big disconnect between the media and the voters.

In a general election, would he really lose so badly, or at all? I'm starting to have doubts about Trump's non-viability. He did manage to turn his inherited fortune into a mega fortune, sell a ton of books, erect massive hotels and golf courses all around the world, and have a hit reality TV show. In other words, this guy can sell things very well! He lacks Bush's eponymous stigma, Walker's boringness, Cruz's ugliness, Carson's inexperience and extreme policy positions. Trump's rhetoric is much more extreme than his policy positions. He's also clearly trying to pivot to the center on Planned Parenthood, per him on Hannity's interview. (I watched the clips online; I won't be part of Fox ratings unless its a Trump Debate). It might be very effective in a GE to "not be bought" like him, yet he clearly looks willing to spend every dime of his fortune to be Prez. He could probably put Cruz on his ticket to rebutt the fact he's a racist, just enough to have a shot at swing voters.

Reagan was supposed to get destroyed by Carter. At the start of 1980, polls had that happening. While the fundamentals of 1980 heavily favored Reagan (Carter had the kind of election year approvals Bush I had in 1992; sub 40 on a consistent basis), clearly, being a joke at one time doesn't necessarily mean voters will think he's a joke when the lever/touch screen/butterfly ballot is in front of one.

Should we be careful what we wish for re. Donald Trump, GOP nominee? I think we'd be the joke of the world if he's nominated and elected. We don't need that again; we had it with Jeb's brother. But I don't want us to be the joke of election 2016. This is The Donald, not Dan Quayle.

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We thought Bush 2 would be easy. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2015 #1
Two stolen elections! Cliff Arnebeck Aug 2015 #2
I'm sorry, 2004 was not stolen. No serious data suggests it. ericson00 Aug 2015 #4
Serious data on the theft of the 2004 election-popular and electoral college vote Cliff Arnebeck Aug 2015 #20
Have we forgotten the Ohio recount? KansDem Aug 2015 #27
sorry, but if that were a reputable news source, ericson00 Aug 2015 #33
++++++++++++++++++nt newfie11 Aug 2015 #19
Idiocracy is not just a movie.... giftedgirl77 Aug 2015 #3
On an issue basis, I think so. But.... Populist_Prole Aug 2015 #5
It doesn't help that we have the third term curse yeoman6987 Aug 2015 #6
Hillary Clinton will do the job very well ericson00 Aug 2015 #11
Latest Hillary (62%) vs Trump(38%) in head to head poll Midnight Writer Aug 2015 #7
I think that poll with Hillary vs. Jeb was MoE ericson00 Aug 2015 #10
30% of the republican party can't win anything. Egnever Aug 2015 #8
yea but if they all unite, which I think Trump might be able to do ericson00 Aug 2015 #9
I doubt it. Adrahil Aug 2015 #22
He is not going to get the nomination oberliner Aug 2015 #12
A front running sideshow defying the Kochs, the media ericson00 Aug 2015 #16
Yes, just like Herman Cain oberliner Aug 2015 #17
Trump has been frontrunner for much longer than Herman Cain ericson00 Aug 2015 #30
You wrongly assume he's ever been taken seriously by the general public Adenoid_Hynkel Aug 2015 #13
in 1979 Reagan was a national punchline and was getting cremated in polls ericson00 Aug 2015 #14
Reagan was the odds-on favorite for the Republican nomination from day one oberliner Aug 2015 #18
Reagan wasa two term governor... Adrahil Aug 2015 #23
No. He could have 2 or 3 billion to spend, and they've stolen elections before. pnwmom Aug 2015 #15
Trump can win. Even Kim Kardashian would be able to win. Oneironaut Aug 2015 #21
i remember very well an outsponken DUer proclaim that there was "no way a Dem can lose to Rand Paul" DrDan Aug 2015 #24
I think... sendero Aug 2015 #25
you said it precisely. His gift is that by not being a career pol, he can get away ericson00 Aug 2015 #31
Yes, exactly what you said. If Bush v Gore and Kerry didn't teach us anything, MH1 Aug 2015 #36
Reagan won. Vinca Aug 2015 #26
Trump is a blowhard who would get JoePhilly Aug 2015 #28
if he did get the nod, would the establishment GOP go along, or abandon him like Goldwater? ericson00 Aug 2015 #34
He won't get the nod. He's already asking for money. JoePhilly Aug 2015 #35
Yes. nt Herman4747 Aug 2015 #29
"this guy is clearly the best political genius since Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan" jazzimov Aug 2015 #32
If he can get the nomination NobodyHere Aug 2015 #37
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