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H2O Man

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28. Good question.
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 10:56 PM
Aug 2015

Fascinating topic -- children. I’m certain not an expert on children, but I definitely like discussing child development, including in their families, and also in the context of the school and community. The one thing that I do know for sure is that even the very best kids will, at times, confuse and even frustrate their parents. I think that’s their job!

What was really impressive about your question was that by mentioning your father, yourself, and your son, it brings up heredity; by mentioning the Catholic Church, environment. And how each of the two impacts a child’s development is a fascinating area of study.

That includes everything from the development of their brains -- which takes much longer, in a most-important part, to mature …..to who they view as role models as they age. Certainly, the way that children and youth communicate today has both similarities and stark differences than when I was a kid. And so I think that it is interesting to ask if more kids are having discomfort when it comes to saying, “I’m sorry.”

I remember a while back, when one of my daughters was rude to one of my friends. My daughter would soon text an apology. Maybe that was just an easier option for her at that time.But maybe its more common among people that age. I wonder if there are differences between groups of teens who live in an urban area, and a rural area?

And I think that DNA is powerful enough that some kids -- but not all -- will have temperaments almost exactly like one parent. So it wouldn’t surprise me that your son reminds you of yourself, or that he acts -- and thinks -- a lot like you.

The father-son dynamics that males experience are always interesting. Erich Fromm wrote that frequently, fathers are prone to liking the good qualities in his son that remind him of himself, and dislike the bad qualities that remind him of himself. I tried hard to keep that in mind when my boys were growing up. It was the hardest when I was tired and grumpy, and noticed that I was repeating things my late father used to say to me! Genetics? Environment? I think they are the same thing.

I think most children and youth do pretty well. It’s a more complex world today -- glad I’m old -- and in some ways harder than it once was. But I think as long as they are relatively good, passing in school, etc, and have people to talk to, they’ll be fine. It is tougher when they experience ego-dystonic thinking, etc, rather than ego-syntonic stuff. If their thinking, feelings, and impulses create problems for them, rather than experiencing some degree of mental harmony, it gets rough. But puberty tends to inflict that on most people, male and female. And that’s where, as individuals, different kids might have very different reasons for not doing things such as saying they are sorry, too.

(I don’t know if this makes any sense. I have competing ideas bouncing around in my head, since reading your post!)

Ten [View all] H2O Man Aug 2015 OP
insightful as always tk2kewl Aug 2015 #1
Thank you. H2O Man Aug 2015 #3
This is such an important OP. Thank you for this. nt stillwaiting Aug 2015 #2
And thank you! H2O Man Aug 2015 #4
Thanks for this OP H2O Man... haikugal Aug 2015 #5
Thank you. H2O Man Aug 2015 #12
A big Kick & highly Recommended. nt Live and Learn Aug 2015 #6
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2015 #13
very well said. nt retrowire Aug 2015 #7
Thanks! H2O Man Aug 2015 #14
If people always view their issue as “most important,” a movement stagnates. jtuck004 Aug 2015 #8
It seemed like H2O Man Aug 2015 #16
KO in the First Round. Zorra Aug 2015 #9
Thanks, Zorra! H2O Man Aug 2015 #17
Good and interesting thoughts. Thanks, H20 Man. ananda Aug 2015 #10
Very well said! H2O Man Aug 2015 #18
it's really amazing how well "i'm sorry" works when you mean it tk2kewl Aug 2015 #20
Right! H2O Man Aug 2015 #21
i don't know if it true for all children, but... tk2kewl Aug 2015 #22
It can be difficult but ... ananda Aug 2015 #24
Good question. H2O Man Aug 2015 #28
I am going to tread lightly here... tk2kewl Aug 2015 #31
Great post! H2O Man Aug 2015 #35
Also well said! ananda Aug 2015 #23
Well, thank you! H2O Man Aug 2015 #29
You will find that people remember who has stood with them and who has refused to do so. Bluenorthwest Aug 2015 #11
kickers . . annabanana Aug 2015 #15
Thanks! H2O Man Aug 2015 #19
Excellent post Waterman malaise Aug 2015 #25
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2015 #26
Ten equals one to me. panader0 Aug 2015 #27
"If six turned out H2O Man Aug 2015 #30
It's hard to build a coalition without give or take or falling victim to a more self centered mmonk Aug 2015 #32
Valid point. H2O Man Aug 2015 #33
Great analogies all around. mmonk Aug 2015 #34
Trinity H2O Man Aug 2015 #37
K&R... spanone Aug 2015 #36
Thank you! H2O Man Aug 2015 #38
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