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In reply to the discussion: White fragility (lot of this around here recently!): [View all]Armstead
(47,803 posts)153. It wasn't a swarm -- it was an individual encounter
I haven't time to look up the encounter, but I'll try to find it for you and post a link.
All I can tell you is the sudden shift in her tone (yes her tone) from making a "reasonable" but arguable point to "shut the fuck up" and "you white progressives have no right to say anything if you want the black vote" was so sudden and erratic that I felt like I'd been trolled and conned.
As a fellow veteran of DU, I've been around enough to know the difference between sincere effort to debate (and, yes, argue spiritedly) and simply pushing people's buttons for the sake of pushing buttons.
(Your mileage on that interpretation may vary, obviously)
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What about when it's CODE PINK or OCCUPY, though, telling black people to shut up/not speak...
MADem
Aug 2015
#30
I think code pink and occupy have had episodes of obnoxiousness too, clearly,
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2015
#35
We didn't get dozens of hot-breathed, angry, outraged threads here saying so, though.
MADem
Aug 2015
#37
Maybe. I dont know what I was doing when code pink heckled Obama, but I would have criticized it.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2015
#38
Personally, I don't think the people who shut down Sanders are indicative of anyone but themselves.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2015
#45
Tell that to the people who have started thread after thread railing against these three
MADem
Aug 2015
#55
you are correct, under the circumstances you describe, that's hypocrisy.
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2015
#63
I've seen some experts in baiting and alert-swarming here, over the years. Not to mention swarming
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2015
#91
No one here at DU invented that baiting stuff. That goes back to the early days of the internet.
MADem
Aug 2015
#99
I look askance at your description of your encounter. I think there's more to the story.
MADem
Aug 2015
#147
I will wait for your link. Bravenak was trying to tell people this was coming. No one listened. nt
MADem
Aug 2015
#155
Over and over and over again in that thread, she tries to get people to LISTEN to what she is saying
MADem
Aug 2015
#170
You called her a gleeful troller just upthread. She doesn't sound like one to me. Damn.
MADem
Aug 2015
#180
That didn't work, so now the new theme is scream "WE STAND TOGETHER" if any black person dares
MADem
Aug 2015
#189
Nice attempt at parsing there. You didn't *start* threads on Code Pink, but you certainly
Marr
Aug 2015
#118
There's a difference between expressing an opinion in an existing thread, of which there were few,
MADem
Aug 2015
#125
Not like this--not even CLOSE. GD AND GD - P are stuffed to the gills with HOW DARE THEY? posts.
MADem
Aug 2015
#146
Well, we've made progress then. I'm glad you're not defending these assholes. /nt
Marr
Aug 2015
#157
My memory is not selective--there were a few threads, not dozens and dozens over days.
MADem
Aug 2015
#163
It's a hell of a lot different from a man who was invited to speak, who thousands came to see, and..
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Aug 2015
#169
Of course it's not the same thing--and the number of threads regarding each event proves my point.
MADem
Aug 2015
#172
Um, she said she had a Palin button on her backpack... when she was 16 years old.
PeaceNikki
Aug 2015
#174
I am saying that she was 16. I liked Creed when I was 16 so I was pretty fucking dumb then, too.
PeaceNikki
Aug 2015
#177
Huh? Have you even been reading what I have been writing? She doesn't give a SHIT about
MADem
Aug 2015
#178
I didn't see dozens and dozens of anti-Code Pink threads, nor did I see dozens and dozens of
MADem
Aug 2015
#158
Here--let me give YOU some direction: I think you'd better quit while you're behind.
MADem
Aug 2015
#88
That is not a straw man. She did not suggest you said that. Nor did she change your argument
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#59
No, that is not a straw man. She did not suggest you said those things nor did she change your
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#68
it's how they run the party: "X is good because they're a Dem and not because of any policy and Y
MisterP
Aug 2015
#74
Right. A religious fundamentalist with a history of supporting Sarah Palin shuts down a speech by
Warren DeMontague
Aug 2015
#34
I was on the jury that alerted you for complaining about Bravenak's "Flagging for Review"
daredtowork
Aug 2015
#17
Well, I used Google, and you should make its acquaintance, because that word does not mean
MADem
Aug 2015
#66
I simply gave you a suggestion. I made no reference to the usage in the post.
BillZBubb
Aug 2015
#69
Ah, so you inserted yourself into the conversation to insinuate that I didn't check first, when in
MADem
Aug 2015
#77
I kinda figured. The problem with that accusation is, BLM has been around since 2012. It was formed
stevenleser
Aug 2015
#80
So I read it. I will admit that I started skimming the second half so I'll ask this question...
aikoaiko
Aug 2015
#39
It's just awesome that 90% of the replies are only reinforcing the point of the OP. Good job!
Spider Jerusalem
Aug 2015
#94
How does that relate to Bernie speaking to a group about Social Security and Medicare?
still_one
Aug 2015
#106
Sometimes there is just right and wrong. What BLM did to Sanders was wrong. n/t
Jetboy
Aug 2015
#109
From Vanilla Nightmare to White Fragility. This post proves one thing. Adrian Piper is more
Monk06
Aug 2015
#110
Ssshhh! They still haven't figured out that no "Democrat" can get the nomination without blacks.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#130
I actually think Symone (a female Cornel West) will work to BS' detriment, but don't tell anyone.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#165
I think this idea of hers is just stupid....why not just bellow "Shut UP Shut UP Shut UP!" at
MADem
Aug 2015
#166
Honestly, I think BLM is done with BS & his supporters. They have nothing to fear going forward.
Tarheel_Dem
Aug 2015
#168
As someone who has written a couple of "fragile white" OPs, I think this is bullshit
Armstead
Aug 2015
#141
The way people are reacting here you'd think they kicked his dog or threw a brick at him.
PeaceNikki
Aug 2015
#144
How exactly do you know what color the posters on this site are? Are you Psychic?
TheSarcastinator
Aug 2015
#171
The funny thing is, no one thinks THEY'RE the limousine/Latte liberal!!!
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Aug 2015
#194