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JonLP24

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85. Have you seen or heard of recent events in Uganda
Sun Jul 12, 2015, 08:19 AM
Jul 2015

the full thing is on HBO but VICE recently aired a very disturbing report, out of all things I couldn't think of one that disturbed me as much as this one.



(What they covered immediately after that was a horrifying "corrective rape" of a Lesbian that was very depressing well because she had a child and her partner left her (can't remember reason) she saw a blessing that with the kid people won't ask her why she isn't married but didn't know if she should ever tell him or not and worried if he'd grow up to hate her as well.)

(There is a very offensive and graphic demonstration in front of children that is factually incorrect simulating anal sex with the male walking away with a bloody diaper)

In the VICE episode, [Member of Parliament David] Bahati refuses to name any one of his American partners, but [U.S. Senator James] Inhofe is clearly one. Also among Bahati’s supporters and partners are Scott Lively, Pastor Rick Warren, Sharon Slater, and the World Congress of Families. And Bahati makes clear he and his country support the culture these American Christian extremists have brought to Uganda — one that teaches, falsely, that gay people are all pedophiles, homosexuality is a choice, it is evil, and children must be protected from it at all costs.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2015/05/17/hbos-vice-goes-to-uganda-to-witness-u-s-evangelical-led-homophobia-in-action/

I'll keep the details short on this one but one thing that was an interest while all TCNs were used and abused and treated like potential terrorists Ugandan TCNs were given a rifle, bullet proof vest and was guarding checkpoints like Baghdad International Airport. Paid more too and I imagine not "watched" all the time.

This is one whose activities should be closely monitored
The Fellowship (Christian organization)

e Fellowship, also known as The Family,[2][3][4] and the International Foundation[5] is a U.S.-based religious and political organization founded in 1935 by Abraham Vereide. The stated purpose of the Fellowship is to provide a fellowship forum for decision makers to share in Bible studies, prayer meetings, worship experiences, and to experience spiritual affirmation and support.[6][7]

The organization has been described as one of the most politically well-connected ministries in the United States. The Fellowship shuns publicity and its members share a vow of secrecy.[8] The Fellowship's leader Doug Coe and others have explained the organization's desire for secrecy by citing biblical admonitions against public displays of good works, insisting they would not be able to tackle diplomatically sensitive missions if they drew public attention.[8]

Although the organization is secretive, it holds one regular public event each year, the National Prayer Breakfast held in Washington, D.C. Every sitting United States president since President Dwight D. Eisenhower, including President Barack Obama, has participated in at least one National Prayer Breakfast during his term.[9][10][11][12]

The Fellowship's known participants include ranking United States government officials, corporate executives, heads of religious and humanitarian aid organizations, and ambassadors and high-ranking politicians from across the world.[2][13][14][15][16] Many United States Senators and Congressmen who have publicly acknowledged working with the Fellowship or are documented as having worked together to pass or influence legislation.[17][18]

In Newsweek magazine, Lisa Miller wrote that rather than calling themselves "Christians," as they describe themselves, they are brought together by common love for the teachings of Jesus and that all approaches to "loving Jesus" are acceptable.[18] In contrast, Jewish writer[19] Jeff Sharlet wrote a book, The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power,[3] as well as an article in Harper's[20] magazine, describing his experience while serving as an intern in the Fellowship. He opined that the organization fetishizes power by comparing Jesus to "Lenin, Ho Chi Minh, Bin Laden" as examples of leaders who change the world through the strength of the covenants they had forged with their "brothers".[16][18]

<snip>

The Fellowship and Uganda

The Fellowship, through Representative Joe Pitts (R.-Pa.), redirected millions in US aid to Uganda from sex education programs to abstinence programs, thereby causing an evangelical revival, which included condom burnings.

In a November 2009 NPR interview, Sharlet alleged that Ugandan Fellowship associates David Bahati and Nsaba Buturo were behind the recent proposed bill in Uganda that called for the death penalty for gays.[81] Bahati cited a conversation with Fellowship members in 2008 as having inspired the legislation.[82]

Sharlet reveals that David Bahati, the Uganda legislator backing the bill, reportedly first floated the idea of executing gays during The Family's Uganda National Prayer Breakfast in 2008.[83] Sharlet described Bahati as a "rising star" in the Fellowship who has attended the National Prayer Breakfast in the United States and, until the news over the gay execution law broke, was scheduled to attend the 2010 U.S. National Prayer Breakfast.[83]

Fellowship member Bob Hunter gave an interview to NPR in December 2009 in which he acknowledged Bahati's connection but argued that no American associates support the bill.[84]

President Barack Obama, in his address to the Fellowship at their National Prayer Breakfast in early 2010, directly criticized the Uganda legislation targeting gay people for execution. In calling for a renewed emphasis on faith and civility, Obama stated, "We may disagree about gay marriage, but surely we can agree that it is unconscionable to target gays and lesbians for who they are — whether it's here in the United States or, as Hillary [Clinton] mentioned, more extremely in odious laws that are being proposed most recently in Uganda."[85]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fellowship_%28Christian_organization%29#The_Fellowship_and_Uganda
They're all gay and can't come to terms with it. marym625 Jul 2015 #1
Offensive. Not alerting but please consider self-delete (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #20
Why is this offensive? marym625 Jul 2015 #45
What do you make of these guy Mormon husbands Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2015 #59
not all but some sure are ... Botany Jul 2015 #26
yep. marym625 Jul 2015 #46
As a straight guy when I hear a born again right winger going on and on about ..... Botany Jul 2015 #71
Yeah. Not all anti-gay bigots are closet-cases, but there are some of them out there... backscatter712 Jul 2015 #79
Have you seen or heard of recent events in Uganda JonLP24 Jul 2015 #85
thanks-- definitely very disturbing, scary stuff Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #88
Change it to: They're all very, very, very, very happy and they can't come to terms with it. BlueJazz Jul 2015 #38
LOL! marym625 Jul 2015 #47
Because they believe the words of Paul and think it is god speaking Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #2
But why the laser-like focus on that one thing, while ignoring scads of other things? Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #63
The Bible also says to stone adulters Angry Dragon Jul 2015 #94
People know the answer on Shellfish/Tatoos so i'm not going to waste time on that el_bryanto Jul 2015 #96
Not a clue. cheapdate Jul 2015 #3
was wondering if there were any serious studies on this Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #5
I think they believe they will be punished shenmue Jul 2015 #10
That might be it! nt Mojorabbit Jul 2015 #40
I'm Christian and have no clue why TexasProgresive Jul 2015 #4
they are filled with fear, it undermines their simple and easy to understand world virtualobserver Jul 2015 #6
Some historians would argue that Judeo-Christianity never *really* conquered paganism. Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #7
Maturity. They did not have healthy sex lives when they were in high school or college. randys1 Jul 2015 #8
Uninformed or informed and do not believe the information. 1. Gay and pedophilia are NOT patricia92243 Jul 2015 #9
I don't think it is obsession Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #11
Hatred is based on fear Hydra Jul 2015 #13
Hatred is a devoid emptiness Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #14
Actually, hatred is a swampy bog, full of icky things Hydra Jul 2015 #24
In short, IMO, they are very frightened individuals striking out at anything they believe RKP5637 Jul 2015 #81
welcome to du niyad Jul 2015 #34
ok, so why do they hate it so much? Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #50
Generational? Facility Inspector Jul 2015 #51
I think it has to do with the way they were raised Runningdawg Jul 2015 #12
I think that has to do with a lot of it, basically raised and living in closed circles to the RKP5637 Jul 2015 #82
More than thirty years ago, (and more recently than that) Wise Child Jul 2015 #15
Fear. I am a member of a progressive evangelical church in TN redstateblues Jul 2015 #16
It's an easy, safe "moral issue" for them to take a stand on, QC Jul 2015 #17
Exactly treestar Jul 2015 #29
I know, it's weird, since Jesus Christ never uttered a single word that criticized homosexuality, Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #18
Bashing gay people from the pulpit is good for $$$. closeupready Jul 2015 #19
The Christian "Values" people and the Right want to control everyone's behavior Hydra Jul 2015 #21
They believe the patriarchal nuclear family is the backbone of capitalism Starry Messenger Jul 2015 #22
When you consider the 50's witch-hunts marginlized Jul 2015 #23
Yes, and the J. Edgar and other cases were no accident Hydra Jul 2015 #27
Yes, these people are not for freedom, they are for power and control AZ Progressive Jul 2015 #41
That's true of Hoover; I'm not so sure about Cohn. Smarmie Doofus Jul 2015 #84
Other people's "sin" pamela Jul 2015 #25
best post in this thread. nt arely staircase Jul 2015 #30
Ha! Yes, I think that is definitely part of it Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #54
No. And they can't seem to get as worked up about treestar Jul 2015 #28
It isn't just a Christian problem tymorial Jul 2015 #31
Exactly!!!!!! Marrah_G Jul 2015 #32
+1. Certainly, a long, long way from being just a Christian problem. Nye Bevan Jul 2015 #35
true Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #56
Indeed. That is it in a nutshell. hifiguy Jul 2015 #62
I know,right? Turin_C3PO Jul 2015 #33
Promoting fear, suspicion, hate and bigotry is a good marketing strategy procon Jul 2015 #36
I think they are afraid of sex as recreation... Bigmack Jul 2015 #37
Until 1980 they hated and condemned divorce in the same way. safeinOhio Jul 2015 #39
Moral of the story, and the conclusion I came to after SCOTUS ruling Hydra Jul 2015 #42
how convenient! Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #57
Great post. Check out my post #16 redstateblues Jul 2015 #65
Christianity has mostly been patriarchal and authoritarian johnnypneumatic Jul 2015 #43
Most humans NEED something to hate I_Like_Hammers Jul 2015 #44
Because they think it is a sin... sendero Jul 2015 #48
It's all a misunderstanding Bagsgroove Jul 2015 #49
if only! Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #55
Fundies, not Christians, who wants war ? Fundies not Christians, who brings guns to church ? orpupilofnature57 Jul 2015 #52
Not just fundies, many "mainstream" Christians, too. Arugula Latte Jul 2015 #66
They're conditioned to be controlled by fear. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #53
It keeps them busy and off the streets rock Jul 2015 #58
They can pretend Turbineguy Jul 2015 #60
That kind of "Christian" Jane Austin Jul 2015 #61
I can't add much to what has been said above. hifiguy Jul 2015 #64
Christianity can't survive without a boogeyman. Initech Jul 2015 #67
Hatred is an easy way to come to terms with an uncomfortable issue. kydo Jul 2015 #68
It's not just Christians, they are not even the most obsessed and punitive of the religions Bluenorthwest Jul 2015 #69
Because the Bible tells them so? udbcrzy2 Jul 2015 #70
It's only mentioned in the old testament, IIRC. Which forbids and condones a lot of crazy shit, ohnoyoudidnt Jul 2015 #73
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jul 2015 #72
Don't lump all Christians together. Some welcome gay people. kwassa Jul 2015 #74
Because their preacher's told them it's in the Bible to hate gays. B Calm Jul 2015 #75
Fundamentalists of all religions have one thing in common; RandySF Jul 2015 #76
Why are so many Muslims obsessed with it? whathehell Jul 2015 #77
as someone noted above, anti-gay sentiment is an Abrahamic tradition Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #86
Religion makes bigotry easy. backscatter712 Jul 2015 #78
How are gays treated under Shinto, Hinduism, ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2015 #80
I don't know-- how are they treated? Fast Walker 52 Jul 2015 #87
I just think the religion is used as a vehicle for their hate JonLP24 Jul 2015 #83
They have been taught that it is wrong for their entire life. But there are also Christians who do jwirr Jul 2015 #89
the word homophobic itself tells you why (it's a phobia) lunatica Jul 2015 #90
Christians define themselves by whom they love. Betty Karlson Jul 2015 #91
They seemed obsessed with any form of sexuality they deem "eeeeeeevil." Vinca Jul 2015 #92
Because desire and guilt are powerful forces to control people. lindysalsagal Jul 2015 #93
it didn't used to be such a big deal Takket Jul 2015 #95
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