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CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
Sat Jun 27, 2015, 10:35 PM Jun 2015

My Case Against Assault Weapons [View all]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by petronius (a host of the General Discussion forum).

One of my responsibilities when I was Air Force Aircraft Maintenance Officer in the Strategic Air Command (SAC) was be ready to deploy to a forward operating base in the event of a nuclear war to turn around B-52 bombers when they returned from their bombing missions over the USSR. To be ready to perform that duty, my men and I had to stay proficient on our personal weapons. Officers were assigned a 0.38 caliper pistol called the Colt Combat Masterpiece, but I manage to also get certified on the AR-15 (the semiautomatic version of the M16 assault rifle).

I originally thought that an AR-15 would make a good deer rifle, it is short, light and relative accurate over long distances. I changed my mind when I saw a demonstration of the weapon's firepower one day. The target on this occasion was a 55 gallon steel drum filled with water which was use to demonstrate the stopping power the AR-15. When the drum was hit from fifty yards, the bullet made a small hole at the entry point, but on exit it made a hole in the back of the steel drum much bigger than the size of my fist. The original ammunition of the AR-15 had a 5.56mm (0.223 caliber -slightly larger than a 22) bullet propelled by a massive amount of gun powder. It makes a small hole on entry, but the projectile is unstable so it tumbles when it enters flesh and is designed to make a massive exit wound.

Thus I determined that the AR-15 was totally useless as a hunting rifle because it would destroy much of the meat of a targeted animal. It was designed for one thing, killing people. With magazines capable of storing 60 and even 100 rounds, the AR-15 is capable of killing people as quickly the shooter can pull the trigger and making sure when a person is hit just about anywhere on his body, he will go down and he will not get back up. Can you imagine the damage this weapon did to the little children killed in the Sandy Hook massacre?

I shudder every time I am reminded that military assault weapons such as the AR-15 can be bought by just about anyone in our country and can thus easily fall in the hands of a homicidal maniacs or home grown terrorists whose objectives are to kill the maximum number of people before they are themselves shot.

Whenever there efforts to ban assault weapons, there is always talk about 2nd Amendments rights. However, there are few defenders of the 2nd Amendment who would defend the right of ordinary Americans to own fully functional M1A tanks, or bazookas, or anti-aircraft rockets. And no sane person would defend the right a civilian to possess a tactical nuclear weapon.

So nearly everyone concedes that even 2nd Amendments rights have their limits. The only thing that is at issue here is where do you draw the line between which weapons are allowed and which not allowed.

In my humble opinion that line should be drawn to ban assault weapons from our streets. They are not practical for hunting and offer no more protection than a standard hand gun, rifle or shotgun. Some would argue that assault weapons allow relatively unskilled shooters to defend their homes and/or lives more effectively because of their multiple shot capability. Well, first of all I don't want unskilled people handling any kind of firearms and if someone wants a ideal defensive weapon they need to buy a shotgun. It is difficult to miss with shotgun at relatively close range.

So assault weapons have only one practical purpose, killing multiple people in a very short period of time. Why in the world would we want just about anyone in the general public to have access to such powerful weapons. If you want to discuss your 2nd Amendment rights, we can also make that discussion about your right own an 68 ton M1A tank equipped a 120mm tank gun, a 50 caliber machine gun and two and second 7.62 mm machine guns. You see the 2nd Amendment isn't about providing access to any and all weapons, it's about where we draw the line.

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My Case Against Assault Weapons [View all] CajunBlazer Jun 2015 OP
Sadly, the gun's ability to inflict major damage and destroy internal organs is what attracts yahoos Hoyt Jun 2015 #1
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #6
And, seemingly, the weapon's apologists, as well villager Jun 2015 #51
I think you have more of an issue with barrel twist and mag capacity then with the gun itself Kaleva Jun 2015 #2
Yea, unfortunately.... CajunBlazer Jun 2015 #7
There are hundreds of millions of such magazines in circulation hack89 Jun 2015 #10
It would be pretty simple really CajunBlazer Jun 2015 #104
A question and some observations: First, how would you pay for them? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #106
Welcome to DU :) Please feel free to repost and continue in GCRA if/when this is locked in GD Electric Monk Jun 2015 #3
A woman once had two sons. One became a sailor, the other only posted to GCRA. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #93
You sound like an Air Force officer. DashOneBravo Jun 2015 #4
Yea, I know CajunBlazer Jun 2015 #5
Welcome to DU, GGJohn Jun 2015 #9
Now hang on DashOneBravo Jun 2015 #12
If mass killings are your concern hack89 Jun 2015 #8
You do make an interesting argument here Electric Monk Jun 2015 #11
Wow, you scraped and reposted a cartoon! Is there some "critical mass of ridicule"... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #20
re: 'toons Electric Monk Jun 2015 #35
Well then, if you feel like you're doing something useful by reposting them... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #38
Like I said.... CajunBlazer Jun 2015 #14
If your proposal couldn't have prevented Va Tech hack89 Jun 2015 #18
Culture warriors looove security theater: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #50
I am pretty sure there are many Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #32
Glocks lancer78 Jun 2015 #40
You've never seen a Beretta 92? 15 round magazine, factory standard. How about the Glock 17?... Marengo Jun 2015 #94
First off, its a magazine, not a clip Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #103
I do. If we banned semi-autos, gun sales would all but dry up. Revolvers just don't excite gun guys. Hoyt Jun 2015 #16
I like revolvers DashOneBravo Jun 2015 #22
Hope you aren't as fond of guns as some here. Hoyt Jun 2015 #29
I don't worship them DashOneBravo Jun 2015 #34
I'm a huge fan of bolt-actions, and revolvers. sir pball Jun 2015 #45
Glad to see you are enjoying your Saturday night with the gunz. Hoyt Jun 2015 #52
As usual, time spent with gun banners is always good for a few lulz friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #55
Nah dude, they're a thousand miles away sir pball Jun 2015 #56
Are you a deer hunter? linuxman Jun 2015 #13
I used to be a deer hunter.... CajunBlazer Jun 2015 #19
"Perhaps then we can agree that..." 'We' agree to no such thing. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #23
Most states don't allow anything over 5 or so rounds in a rifle while hunting, regardless. linuxman Jun 2015 #26
I do prefer the twenty round Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #31
Yeah, the aluminum are my favorite too. linuxman Jun 2015 #33
I'm actually amenable to that. sir pball Jun 2015 #49
Self-defense is not a sporting event, and imo, there is no moral duty friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #57
I have two SD firearms and neither holds more than nine. sir pball Jun 2015 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #63
Another experinced shooter disagrees- see post #44 friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #66
Once again sarisataka Jun 2015 #15
I don't think you have ever seen.... CajunBlazer Jun 2015 #21
I may not have seen one fired at a drum of water sarisataka Jun 2015 #24
It's the "Empathy", "Forced Justification", and "MGAFYGAE/Uncle Ruckus" ploys friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #46
You know how else the story is bullshit? The AF never used a "semi-auto AR-15" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #88
I'm sorry, but you are mistaken. CajunBlazer Jun 2015 #98
I am not. The Air Force never had semi-automatic AR-15s. *All* were full-auto friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #105
It's possible Shamash Jun 2015 #96
Mythbusters disagrees: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #108
.223/5.56mm rounds won't penetrate a steel drum full of water while leaving a fist-sized exit hole friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #37
What kind of cartridge? Adrahil Jun 2015 #43
I've fired lots of guns at 5-gallon buckets of water, for what it's worth sir pball Jun 2015 #61
I've seen exit wounds on deer and hogs with 62gr 5.56 and the hole is not that big aikoaiko Jun 2015 #17
And coyote DashOneBravo Jun 2015 #28
Perhaps so..... CajunBlazer Jun 2015 #30
What????? Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #39
Maybe so for hunting, but if was faced with 2 or 3 home intruders... aikoaiko Jun 2015 #44
3 intruders, 7 rounds is fine. sir pball Jun 2015 #68
"I'd give myself the odds against 7 intruders with that gun, actually." Oh, please... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #71
More like the odds of a gang of 7 being that into me sir pball Jun 2015 #73
And what if you're sick? Or just unlucky enough to attract enough warm bodies... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #75
Fair enough. You're entitled to your opinion. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #97
This retired Tech Sergeant agrees with you nt MrScorpio Jun 2015 #25
Sounds like you have a problem with the ammo. ManiacJoe Jun 2015 #27
ARs can be had in many different calibers madville Jun 2015 #36
The case against ignorance seveneyes Jun 2015 #41
Agree with you 100% deathrind Jun 2015 #42
"The AR15 was designed to do one thing and one thing only" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #47
If deathrind Jun 2015 #48
The shooting sports sanctioning bodies and most state game departments seem to disagree friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #53
Yes! The Germans, with some of the strictest gun control in Europe, hate the AR-15 SO MUCH! sir pball Jun 2015 #54
Pretty much *anyone* can build an AR15, as they are long out of patent friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #59
My point was Germany has no "assault weapons ban", as don't most Continental countries sir pball Jun 2015 #60
The Charlie Hebdo shooters got *their* weapons from the trunk of some dude's car friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #65
So far this thread has been a pretty good example of why gun threads are usually limited to the Electric Monk Jun 2015 #62
"See you in GCRA" Why? The subject can actually be *discussed* at GC&RKBA: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #64
GC&RKBA isn't a safe haven for gunthusiasts, even if you'd like it to be Electric Monk Jun 2015 #67
I don't; I prefer vigorous, even heated discussion over crabbed, ever-supicious dogmatism friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #69
Thank you for helping make my point from post #62. If someone wants fight club, then GC&RKBA Electric Monk Jun 2015 #70
Groupthink and an unwillingness to listen to those who disgaree is a recipe for failure friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #74
NutmegYankee wasn't blocked, so that's a pretty hard FAIL on your part. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #76
Yet no one discussed his proposal, except to piss all over it friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #77
And, FWIW, I think his idea has a lot of merit and should be explored in *both* groups friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #78
So post it in GC&RKBA. I'm not stopping you. nt Electric Monk Jun 2015 #79
It was, a week ago. Discussing it there might be a little ...problematic for the GCRA crew, however friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #81
You're asking me to trust guns.com? I'll have to sleep on that. I will get back to you. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #83
You don't have to. Here is a link to the NCSA report: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #87
Banning rifles based on how they *look* rather than *function* is absolutely ludicrous. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #72
See reply #62. This part of the discussion is OLD. Been there, done that. NT Electric Monk Jun 2015 #80
Apparently, it needed to be repeated in order to remind certain parties friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #82
and this is why there's the rule about Guns in GD Electric Monk Jun 2015 #84
Exactly so. pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #86
So I'm assuming the "content" in post #62 you were referring to was this: pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #85
Facts like claiming to be 'certified' on a weapon the Air Force never used: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #89
With my very first read of the OP I had a feeling it might go this way sooner or later. Electric Monk Jun 2015 #90
I don't regard verifiable mendacity as a 'technicality' friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #92
Yet you clearly have no rebuttal. So predictable. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2015 #101
I am not a firearms expert... CajunBlazer Jun 2015 #100
Did you know that the military has access to armor-piercing bullets that civilians can't own? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #107
One more reason to ban guns mwrguy Jun 2015 #91
I fail to see the overall logic of the post Shamash Jun 2015 #95
Well thought out and said. Thanks. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #99
K&R smirkymonkey Jun 2015 #102
Locking. Sorry, but the GD SoP has restrictions on gun posts; petronius Jun 2015 #109
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