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In reply to the discussion: Still don't think he's a used-car salesman? [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)112. What do you mean 'it won't be presented to Congress' if it isn't the best Obama can do?
The whole fight right now is make sure Congress is NOT presented with it. Fast Tracking means that Congress gives UP its right to change all the bad stuff including what we already know, or to add amendments to fix anything that is bad for this country.
Are you seriously supporting Congress having its hands tied that way when they finally get to see this secret Corporate written deal?
Like I said, I am not a faith based person. I want to SEE what my Reps are trying to hide from me. Because you do NOT hide things you are NOT ashamed of.
And I believe those Dems who have had a glimpse of it under Orwellian restrictions, who tell us that 'if the people Knew what was in it, they would oppose it'
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Nope. Nor do I think he is going to sell us into slavery or the TPP will be as bad as some assert.
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#1
Would love to see where I hope it's "bad for Americans." I am disgusted with xenophobia used to
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#19
Xenophobia? All I see, and all I have criticized, is the way that global corporate profits
djean111
Jun 2015
#30
You believe that. I do not. We both will have to wait and see. When the TPP is released in all
djean111
Jun 2015
#49
right after that pile of corporate crap gets signed into law, of course
Fast Walker 52
Jun 2015
#465
No other "free" trade agreement that Obama has gotten through congress has done that
fasttense
Jun 2015
#122
What, you think the Korean trade agreement has hurt the USA. I get the uniformed think
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#134
I think of it that we took more than our share of the world's wealth and resources, and now want to
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#436
Besides, holding them to the same standards would cut into the profits of the corporations who are
dflprincess
Jun 2015
#441
It will keep corporations from taking a chance there, and that's what some Americans want.
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#446
I can tell you directly as a result of the KFTA more American products are showing up in Korea
davidpdx
Jun 2015
#473
If we just wait long enough. If we just suffer lost jobs and decreased living standard long enough
Ed Suspicious
Jun 2015
#130
How will they get raised up? Countries where right now, people can actually
truedelphi
Jun 2015
#455
I consider an attitude of America First, the heck with foreign poor, part of the definition.
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#91
It is the fear of people from other countries, which has nothing to do with the TPP.
Rex
Jun 2015
#278
We have seen the leaks and WE KNOW it will be bad for Americans. Now please tell us what you
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#69
I've seen as much as you, I've seen the goals for the agreement, and I see no reason to
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#100
What do you mean 'it won't be presented to Congress' if it isn't the best Obama can do?
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#112
You really need to think about what you just posted. TPP goes to Congress, the will vote No or
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#129
What does 'fast tracking' mean to you? Why did Democrats REFUSE to give it to BUSH who tried
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#135
It includes criteria the TPP must meet, or they can withdraw FT authority, if it is similar to the
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#157
Thanks, I give up trying to explain this to people who are determined to protect their
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#233
You guys really need to keep up with the TPA passed. Honest to goodness, you should be embarrassed.
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#169
If it is bad it will fail. More likely, Obama won't submit it. Actually, the House did not
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#314
And they don't even consider for an instant that we will again have a right wing president.
Ed Suspicious
Jun 2015
#147
Well, Ed, we better stop trying to undermine the candidate that can keep that from happening.
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#371
Sorry I meant TTIP. If you knew what it meant, you'd have recognized my error and YOURS.
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#137
No, most folks posting in this thread and the hundreds of others have posted about corporations
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#378
I don't think you'd win that bet, unless you really stretch the definition of 'darn close'.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jun 2015
#461
OK, let's just talk a moment about 'free trade.' As a labor economist, I can tell you that
PatrickforO
Jun 2015
#183
"insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."Albert Einstein
sulphurdunn
Jun 2015
#306
Sorry about your dad. There are Mexicans getting jobs at foreign auto plants at $8 an hour vs.
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#440
2500 trade agreements since 1959 have had those same tribunals in them. But, now it's suddenly an
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#438
What we have to come to grips with is this: corporate control is what rightwingers support.
Romulox
Jun 2015
#3
Ah yes: "The POSUCS saved my eye. Again." That was an excellent use of the term.
Hekate
Jun 2015
#146
That is one thing that MM can be sure of. Both Amy Klobuchar and Al Franken voted no on every
jwirr
Jun 2015
#115
Will it? Do you believe a few hundred or a few thousand contacts out of a population of
merrily
Jun 2015
#57
You could have answered it had you chosen to. My question was about what YOU believe. Never mind.
merrily
Jun 2015
#75
Yes, I believe they listen to me. I don't believe that mine is the only voice
MineralMan
Jun 2015
#80
I communicate as well, but I don't think it does a thing. Warren is one of my Senators. I even
merrily
Jun 2015
#93
The same with me, for the most part. But, I've been trying to make a very different point
merrily
Jun 2015
#203
Are you from MN? That is where both MM and I are from. From my experience with my elected
jwirr
Jun 2015
#127
Well you might be right but the last time I called the worker who answered the phone listened and
jwirr
Jun 2015
#236
if what has already been shown of TPP courtesy of wikileaks isn't enough
magical thyme
Jun 2015
#209
My two Senators and my rep are all Democrats and they gave me bullshit rhetoric.
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#449
The Purity Police are at it again....."we make the laws AND we enforce them" is the motto, I believe
Fred Sanders
Jun 2015
#10
You go with that...I love a calm man, angry men are a dime a dozen. Calmness has driven the GOP mad.
Fred Sanders
Jun 2015
#472
No, but I'm starting to think your "I was really upset" excuse is total bullshit.
NuclearDem
Jun 2015
#11
No, it's obviously personal and was happening before the car salesman post last year.
BeanMusical
Jun 2015
#253
Lot of people have careers selling used cars. Ever bought a car from a used car salesman?
Autumn
Jun 2015
#340
Ad hom, typical response of someone with a weak position or someone who full of shit
uponit7771
Jun 2015
#393
"Next up, Keystone, and his legacy will be secured" is right up there on the hilarity scale....maybe
Fred Sanders
Jun 2015
#22
Could be. The Pacific Rim is apparently teeming with unwashed hordes yearning to steal anything American.
Fred Sanders
Jun 2015
#106
Does your president work for you or for the countries of the Pacific rim? Last I checked they
Ed Suspicious
Jun 2015
#160
We've had several posts like that here; thanks for bringing up NYC_SKP's experience. nt
Hekate
Jun 2015
#154
I know. He never thanked me. And if Candidate Public Option had actually insisted on
Doctor_J
Jun 2015
#245
You should read the story about the boy who cried wolf once too often. nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#451
Bill Moyers, whom I respect very much, has done about an article a month, first
merrily
Jun 2015
#40
That was cute, wasn't it? No one knew what the hell it was, yet it was part of the platform.
merrily
Jun 2015
#102
Do you really believe that the AFL-CIO was ignorant of what the TPP was?
Freddie Stubbs
Jun 2015
#138
? My post was about my vote. But yes, I believe that was a possiblity, given what members of
merrily
Jun 2015
#144
If the top brass at the AFL-CIO didn't know what the language in trade plank of the
Freddie Stubbs
Jun 2015
#148
The language in the plank did not detail what the TPP said and, again, what was the union to do?
merrily
Jun 2015
#153
Thank you, randome.. that was such a bad hide.. you only told the truth and they can't handle it.
Cha
Jun 2015
#408
It's still a stupid analogy. The TPP is more akin to a car being built in the factory.
randome
Jun 2015
#68
So we should never give Congress anything more complicated than a paragraph or two?
randome
Jun 2015
#116
That Documentary "Lifting the Veil" Early On "Clued Me In"...what has followed hasn't been a comfort
KoKo
Jun 2015
#396
The list is getting long, isn't it? Some people don't learn from bad experiences.
randome
Jun 2015
#73
Obama has been a great Pres and is loved by many.. I couldn't care less about the "disappointed" on
Cha
Jun 2015
#411
Personally I think he makes sandwiches at Subway. Shit sandwiches. n/t
cherokeeprogressive
Jun 2015
#74
Hating Bush didn't allow them to feel like Extra Special Premium Super Progressives. nt
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#175
I still can't believe they were voting for something they couldn't even study in full.
C Moon
Jun 2015
#84
The George Carlin/George Clooney/Alec Baldwin/Chris Brown School Of Journalism.
randome
Jun 2015
#140
Yes, and the only protection the workers will get is TAA a program that has not been all that
jwirr
Jun 2015
#108
The sheer entertainment value lies in the number of people who are flat-out disagreeing with Will...
Hekate
Jun 2015
#181
Nope - I'm not a spoiled brat who didn't get her pony - win some lose some n/t
JustAnotherGen
Jun 2015
#161
Spoiled brat is being too kind, given Obama's TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY ONE ACCOMPLISHMENTS
randys1
Jun 2015
#170
In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
JustAnotherGen
Jun 2015
#356
Several weeks ago, I called Obama a "Hawaian car salesman" and then was briefly banned by DU.
DrBulldog
Jun 2015
#184
"Record number of homeless children enrolled in US public schools (+video)"
MannyGoldstein
Jun 2015
#285
"homeless" in that study means moving in with relatives and staying in hotels
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#296
Yay, Third Way Manny! It's good that you've got your mind right. He IS the best prez in the history
kath
Jun 2015
#220
No, you lied when you said that Obama tried to "help Wall Street at every turn."
geek tragedy
Jun 2015
#370
Yes! Yes! That's it!!! Along with all of his other seventy billion accomplishments!!!
truebrit71
Jun 2015
#218
I suspect that 90% of them would've supported the Iraq War if it was Obama doing the bidding.
Broward
Jun 2015
#249
They supported blasting Libya into the stone age, leaving a chaotic nightmare in the aftermath,
Maedhros
Jun 2015
#338
I think you orignally referred to the POTUS as a PIECE OF SHIT used car salesman
itsrobert
Jun 2015
#312
Next thing you know, a Democrat will propose that every citizen alive
nationalize the fed
Jun 2015
#335
You can always just complain about his policies without insulting him you know.
hrmjustin
Jun 2015
#354
Nah....Will is just pointing out that Obama isn't what we thought we were voting for in his latest
KoKo
Jun 2015
#395
You're going to need to...you know...explain what you're talking about.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2015
#412
Or it just might be an old and well worn thing people say about politicians
TheKentuckian
Jun 2015
#444
I see the same shills are here to explain why us taxpayers should be happy to give away our jobs
GoneFishin
Jun 2015
#427
It maybe true, but as far as we know Mr. Lendman is not on DU and Mr. Pitt is
davidpdx
Jun 2015
#463