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Ichingcarpenter

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Tue May 15, 2012, 04:01 AM May 2012

Engravings of Female Genitalia May Be World's Oldest Cave Art [View all]

Since their discovery in 1994, the spectacular paintings of lions, rhinos, and other animals in southern France's Chauvet Cave have stood out as the oldest known cave art, clocking in at about 37,000 years old.* But there have been occasional sightings of other cave art that is equally ancient, although its dating has been more uncertain. Now a team working at another site in the south of France claims to have discovered what appear to be engravings of female genitalia that are as old as or older than Chauvet, possibly making them the world's most ancient cave art.

Homo sapiens first colonized Europe from Africa around 40,000 years ago. But until the early 1990s, there was little firm evidence that our species engaged in sophisticated artistic activity that early. Many archaeologists assumed that modern humans developed their artistic skills only gradually, culminating in spectacular galleries like the 15,000-year-old painted caves at Lascaux in France and Altamira in Spain. The discovery of Chauvet changed all that and convinced most researchers that early artists had brought their skills with them from Africa.


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One key difference, White says, is that whereas the paintings at Chauvet are hidden deep within that cave and away from living areas, the depictions at Abri Castanet were on the rock shelter ceiling right above the spaces where prehistoric humans slept and ate, making them a kind of everyday and public art.

Harold Dibble, an archaeologist at the University of Pennsylvania, says the team's dating of the vulva engraving appears sound because it cannot be any younger than the surface onto which it fell and might even be older. "The context of the find is quite clear," Dibble says. As for the long-standing tradition among archaeologists working in France of interpreting such images as vulvas, Dibble says, "Who the hell knows" what they really represent? Dibble adds that such interpretations could be colored by the worldview of Western archaeologists whose culture probably differs greatly from that of prehistoric peoples. "Maybe it's telling us more about the people making those interpretations" than the artists who created the images, Dibble says. On the other hand, he says, the repeated use of this image at other sites in the Vezere valley suggests that it was some sort of "shared iconography" that might identify specific groups of people. Indeed, archaeologists have also identified differences in the styles of personal ornaments and other artifacts that might also reflect different groups or tribes, much as people express their group identities by the way they dress today.



http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2012/05/engravings-of-female-genitalia.html


The artwork can be seen at the link on the photo on the right.

Looks like ancient aliens to me though

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Alright, you got me to click. But it doesn't look like any that I've ever seen. AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #1
Reminds me of the psychiatrist giving a man the Roscharch test... rfranklin May 2012 #11
Cave men can be so immature. limpyhobbler May 2012 #2
Why do you assume cave men drew them? Could have been cave lesbian art. yellowcanine May 2012 #63
It figures, right? The first art was porn. lob1 May 2012 #3
. kwell May 2012 #4
. Skittles May 2012 #5
>right click>save image as> Nostradammit May 2012 #6
LOVE this site! Skittles May 2012 #60
I wonder if there was a proto John Ashcroft trying to cover it up 4th law of robotics May 2012 #54
Smut! Filth! Objectification! Warren DeMontague May 2012 #7
Watch, someone is going to alert this thread. Quantess May 2012 #30
+1 and +1! LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #32
That's just ridiculous and annoying. Quantess May 2012 #46
Sorry. My bad. :) LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #49
No, not you! Quantess May 2012 #50
LOL I understood you LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #51
I find it highly entertaining ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #57
This post was just alerted on too. hifiguy May 2012 #36
What was the rationale, i wonder? Warren DeMontague May 2012 #37
Will do, when they are posted to me, WDM. hifiguy May 2012 #38
Here ya go. hifiguy May 2012 #39
Oh, yeah, but there are no ban happy thought police here, no. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #41
so did you post it just be to be a jerk? to make fun of people you disagree with? Scout May 2012 #43
I posted it to make sure that the folks who want pictures of nudity and sex outlawed Warren DeMontague May 2012 #44
Thank you, sir. zappaman May 2012 #45
so i was right. n/t Scout May 2012 #47
I guess the real question is, what are you going to do about it? Warren DeMontague May 2012 #56
"How do you censor a stone carving?" 4th law of robotics May 2012 #62
you assume i have any desire to censor anything Scout May 2012 #65
I don't know. I was speaking rhetorically, to those who feel entitled to censor depictions of sex. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #68
i don't think your motives are so pure as you make them out to be. Scout May 2012 #69
Im not interested in purity. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #70
Breasts and vaginas were some of my oldest art pieces too. LetTimmySmoke May 2012 #8
Pentcave n/t Enrique May 2012 #9
Werner Herzog did a wonderful movie about this cave a couple of years ago Recursion May 2012 #10
Yeah, awesome film. "Cave of Forgotten Dreams" n/t FSogol May 2012 #21
This is still another cave Brother Buzz May 2012 #40
Did the model say she was 18? You better not click on that link! Sancho May 2012 #12
Early Georgia O'Keefe? yankeepants May 2012 #13
Obviously, the work of Larry Flyntstone. Buns_of_Fire May 2012 #14
ok...you won the internets today. nt msanthrope May 2012 #23
That is DUzy worthy! hifiguy May 2012 #24
+1 Zorra May 2012 #26
DUzy! LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #33
For the win. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #42
We've obviously evolved way beyond that sort of smut lunatica May 2012 #15
wait ... rotate that top one 90 degrees ... zbdent May 2012 #17
Or.... Ichingcarpenter May 2012 #19
!!!!! ZombieHorde May 2012 #34
I think it would be better if those two buildings were next to each other. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #71
Well we all know it's the choices we make. lunatica May 2012 #72
The world is not that old! randome May 2012 #16
I know vaginas. That is not a vagina!! LiberalFighter May 2012 #18
As Freud might have said, Sometimes a cave ... JustABozoOnThisBus May 2012 #20
Is that guitar man May 2012 #27
Duggar? I barely met her! JustABozoOnThisBus May 2012 #31
Thanks for the link. I live close to a couple of those... TeeYiYi May 2012 #67
So Eve was okay with posing for porn? snooper2 May 2012 #22
No one can consent to their own objectification, silly! Warren DeMontague May 2012 #58
Female genitalia? BS it is obviously the first recording of the FSM Vincardog May 2012 #25
They made paintings of the things they hunted, rhinos and bison - I guess they hunted beaver, too aint_no_life_nowhere May 2012 #28
Paleolithic figures Zorra May 2012 #29
stone age porno librechik May 2012 #35
The French had postcards even in the stone age.... WCGreen May 2012 #48
Looks like beer thirty to me XemaSab May 2012 #52
The only real surprise would be if no xchrom May 2012 #53
So in order of importance to ancient man: sex, food, . . . 4th law of robotics May 2012 #55
What do you mean "ancient" men?! Lemmy May 2012 #59
Very true 4th law of robotics May 2012 #61
So THAT's what they look like! malthaussen May 2012 #64
Definitely have to stop taking women for granite. BadgerKid May 2012 #66
... Bolo Boffin May 2012 #73
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