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Showing Original Post only (View all)Bernie Sanders's "Political Revolution" Can Only Come About if He Abandons the Democrats - See more [View all]
Roughly 200,000 volunteers have signed up to help his campaign. Clearly, his message of taking on the billionaire class that owns Washington, making four-year college free for Americans, and breaking up the big banks behind the financial crisis is resonating with everyday folks. If Sanders broke with the Democrats and ran as an independent, most of those volunteers and donors would stick with him. Theyre supporters of Bernie, not the Democratic Party.
On one hand, its easy to see why Sanders launched his campaign within the Democratic Party. Even though the Vermont senator is a lifelong independent, hes also a realist who knows that to run a campaign that has a chance of winning a first-past-the-post, winner-take-all race with 270 Electoral College votes, it has to be done within the two-party structure. Candidates from other parties, like the Green Partys Jill Stein or the Justice Partys Rocky Anderson, have revolutionary ideas but are forever relegated to outside status by the punditocracy that has trained Americans about who is acceptable to vote for based on dollars raised and pollsters rankings. Without Elizabeth Warren in the race, Sanders is the standalone progressive populist in the Democratic primary.
However, running as a Democrat means Sanders is second to Hillary Clinton, who has pledged to raise $2.5 billion this election cycle. To highlight the absurdity of that number, it would be more money raised for just one candidate than the cumulative amount raised by both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney in 2012, combined. The fact remains that American elections favor those with more money candidates with the most campaign cash tend to win nine times out of 10. Clinton will be counting on that deluge of cash to flood the airwaves in her favor and drown out anything Sanders would say. Shes also likely to test Sanderss populist rhetoric in focus groups for her own campaign, and use the more agreeable points to paint herself as the reasonable candidate to shore up enough Democrats to guarantee her the win. Sanders has already pledged to throw his support behind Clinton if she indeed wins the nomination, leading some critics to call him a sheepdog used to herd leftist energy into the same Democratic Party thats let the American people down over and over again.
But if Sanders reclaimed his independent mantle, he would be representing not just Democrats, but the 42 percent of Americans who identify as neither Republican nor Democrat. In poll after poll, there are more Americans who say theyre independent of the two major parties than there are Americans who affiliate with the Democrats (31 percent) or the GOP (25 percent). Sanders would very likely break the 15 percent polling threshold that the Democrat and Republican-controlled Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) uses to silence outside voices from alternative parties and be able to share the stage with the Democratic and Republican nominees.
http://www.occupy.com/article/bernie-sanderss-political-revolution-can-only-come-about-if-he-abandons-democrats
On one hand, its easy to see why Sanders launched his campaign within the Democratic Party. Even though the Vermont senator is a lifelong independent, hes also a realist who knows that to run a campaign that has a chance of winning a first-past-the-post, winner-take-all race with 270 Electoral College votes, it has to be done within the two-party structure. Candidates from other parties, like the Green Partys Jill Stein or the Justice Partys Rocky Anderson, have revolutionary ideas but are forever relegated to outside status by the punditocracy that has trained Americans about who is acceptable to vote for based on dollars raised and pollsters rankings. Without Elizabeth Warren in the race, Sanders is the standalone progressive populist in the Democratic primary.
However, running as a Democrat means Sanders is second to Hillary Clinton, who has pledged to raise $2.5 billion this election cycle. To highlight the absurdity of that number, it would be more money raised for just one candidate than the cumulative amount raised by both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney in 2012, combined. The fact remains that American elections favor those with more money candidates with the most campaign cash tend to win nine times out of 10. Clinton will be counting on that deluge of cash to flood the airwaves in her favor and drown out anything Sanders would say. Shes also likely to test Sanderss populist rhetoric in focus groups for her own campaign, and use the more agreeable points to paint herself as the reasonable candidate to shore up enough Democrats to guarantee her the win. Sanders has already pledged to throw his support behind Clinton if she indeed wins the nomination, leading some critics to call him a sheepdog used to herd leftist energy into the same Democratic Party thats let the American people down over and over again.
But if Sanders reclaimed his independent mantle, he would be representing not just Democrats, but the 42 percent of Americans who identify as neither Republican nor Democrat. In poll after poll, there are more Americans who say theyre independent of the two major parties than there are Americans who affiliate with the Democrats (31 percent) or the GOP (25 percent). Sanders would very likely break the 15 percent polling threshold that the Democrat and Republican-controlled Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) uses to silence outside voices from alternative parties and be able to share the stage with the Democratic and Republican nominees.
http://www.occupy.com/article/bernie-sanderss-political-revolution-can-only-come-about-if-he-abandons-democrats
first i have seen of this. anything?
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seabeyond
May 2015
OP
ty jack. don gave me an interesting perspective, about the group mentioned. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#60
i know my lifetime repugs have stepped away to libertarian or independent. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#95
Exactly, which is why Bernie isn't doing it. He would sideline himself just because
Nay
May 2015
#106
i can go with ALL of this. excellent. and agree. thanks. i am still gonna be watchful.
seabeyond
May 2015
#109
this is another area i ponder. i was thinking about it this morning, reading another OP on du.
seabeyond
May 2015
#110
Fortunately Sanders has said he will support the nominee and won't play into this foolishness.
hrmjustin
May 2015
#5
i had heard that. i am checking back. this is after TPA, and listening to duers, i think it
seabeyond
May 2015
#8
Agreed! I hope people realize voting third party is helping to elect Republicans.
hrmjustin
May 2015
#9
Ed Schultz asked him that question and he answered no he would not be a spoiler. Just saying to
jwirr
May 2015
#26
k. thanks for this. and others. gonna just leave up for a second or two longer to listen to other
seabeyond
May 2015
#10
wtf ever. god fordid we actually talk about the politics of the democratic party,
seabeyond
May 2015
#13
it is our occupy, it is our democratic party. really? i am suppose to look the other way?
seabeyond
May 2015
#14
i get you want to joke about oppressed groups. personally, i do not find it funny
seabeyond
May 2015
#19
I wasn't joking about any group. I was joking about you and your bizarre "trickle down" theory. nt
Romulox
May 2015
#21
Yeah there people on the left who think the Democratic Party is beyond saving.
Cheese Sandwich
May 2015
#15
ya. are you hearing anything new since tpa? cause i agree. one of the stuff i had confidence in
seabeyond
May 2015
#16
doesnt hurt to be aware what a part of our party (occupy), is now wanting. saying. you think?
seabeyond
May 2015
#20
it is a positive thread for sanders. you are not paying attention. if you are bothered
seabeyond
May 2015
#85
ah, but see, you changed the story. that is not what happened, but being able to say it that
seabeyond
May 2015
#89
not true. but, make shit out and present it as a fact, as if there is any validity what so ever....
seabeyond
May 2015
#93
ya ya ya... got it, know it and can agree. are we advocating third party? cause that would matter,
seabeyond
May 2015
#32
Why are you behaving this way? IMO, it's fascinating...and worth commenting on.
woo me with science
May 2015
#77
maybe if you simply read my words instead of trying to squish it into your agenda you want to give
seabeyond
May 2015
#79
Only ones pushing that would be those who want to see a spoiler and republican win
still_one
May 2015
#30
yes. i would agree with this. i have heard cheering for just that. just taking temperature... nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#34
"I would argue that there is little support for either assumption." good points. ty. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#37
Sanders will be able to get his ideals out there and in the process help the party
Gothmog
May 2015
#39
i agree. i am no longer supporting anyone. sanders people do not want me. lol. and not ready
seabeyond
May 2015
#52
i really believe 2016 is the dems to win. that might be pollyanna up against kock, for sure. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#61
I agree that there are some demographic advantages in favor of the Democratic candidate
Gothmog
May 2015
#71
of course it is too soon, and is only an opinion, and not counting nothing. i do believe
seabeyond
May 2015
#75
This tactic you are working is very familiar. Enquiring minds just asking, right? ;-)
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#43
expect most on this democratic board can have a reasonable, productive discussion. then there is you
seabeyond
May 2015
#48
Often in life the gut reaction is the most honest one. Your tactic is quite familiar.
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#90
i really believe in paying attention to the whats and whys in a campaign. occupy
seabeyond
May 2015
#49
advocating a three wAY? i do not know what you mean by your post, and the implication of baaahhhh.
seabeyond
May 2015
#51
ty. very interesting. i saw that when he first started talking about running. with our youth,
seabeyond
May 2015
#70
thank you for your post. i want to self delete, and i do not. cause i really want to know what
seabeyond
May 2015
#58
I have my concerns that if it's an ugly primary many will try to convince Bernie to run third party.
DCBob
May 2015
#84
i think that is a possibility and why i brought it up. reading FB, i saw this threre. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#86
"She’s also likely to test Sanders’s populist rhetoric in focus groups for her own campaign, ..."
dawg
May 2015
#96
It's also good to notice that with those that who worship at the Alter of Personality...
99Forever
May 2015
#112