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seabeyond

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Sat May 16, 2015, 01:49 PM May 2015

Bernie Sanders's "Political Revolution" Can Only Come About if He Abandons the Democrats - See more [View all]

Roughly 200,000 volunteers have signed up to help his campaign. Clearly, his message of taking on the billionaire class that owns Washington, making four-year college free for Americans, and breaking up the big banks behind the financial crisis is resonating with everyday folks. If Sanders broke with the Democrats and ran as an independent, most of those volunteers and donors would stick with him. They’re supporters of Bernie, not the Democratic Party.

On one hand, it’s easy to see why Sanders launched his campaign within the Democratic Party. Even though the Vermont senator is a lifelong independent, he’s also a realist who knows that to run a campaign that has a chance of winning a first-past-the-post, winner-take-all race with 270 Electoral College votes, it has to be done within the two-party structure. Candidates from other parties, like the Green Party’s Jill Stein or the Justice Party’s Rocky Anderson, have revolutionary ideas but are forever relegated to outside status by the punditocracy that has trained Americans about who is acceptable to vote for based on dollars raised and pollsters’ rankings. Without Elizabeth Warren in the race, Sanders is the standalone progressive populist in the Democratic primary.

However, running as a Democrat means Sanders is second to Hillary Clinton, who has pledged to raise $2.5 billion this election cycle. To highlight the absurdity of that number, it would be more money raised for just one candidate than the cumulative amount raised by both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney in 2012, combined. The fact remains that American elections favor those with more money – candidates with the most campaign cash tend to win nine times out of 10. Clinton will be counting on that deluge of cash to flood the airwaves in her favor and drown out anything Sanders would say. She’s also likely to test Sanders’s populist rhetoric in focus groups for her own campaign, and use the more agreeable points to paint herself as the “reasonable” candidate to shore up enough Democrats to guarantee her the win. Sanders has already pledged to throw his support behind Clinton if she indeed wins the nomination, leading some critics to call him a “sheepdog” used to herd leftist energy into the same Democratic Party that’s let the American people down over and over again.

But if Sanders reclaimed his independent mantle, he would be representing not just Democrats, but the 42 percent of Americans who identify as neither Republican nor Democrat. In poll after poll, there are more Americans who say they’re independent of the two major parties than there are Americans who affiliate with the Democrats (31 percent) or the GOP (25 percent). Sanders would very likely break the 15 percent polling threshold that the Democrat and Republican-controlled Commission on Presidential Debates (CPD) uses to silence outside voices from alternative parties and be able to share the stage with the Democratic and Republican nominees.

http://www.occupy.com/article/bernie-sanderss-political-revolution-can-only-come-about-if-he-abandons-democrats


first i have seen of this. anything?
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Isn't it a matter fredamae May 2015 #1
are we advocating a three way for the election of 2016? nt seabeyond May 2015 #3
I will always advocate think4yourself May 2015 #24
;), right? surely! seabeyond May 2015 #27
I saw what you did there. Nay May 2015 #102
In the sense you meant in the question, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #56
ty jack. don gave me an interesting perspective, about the group mentioned. nt seabeyond May 2015 #60
Go that route SteveG May 2015 #94
i know my lifetime repugs have stepped away to libertarian or independent. nt seabeyond May 2015 #95
Exactly, which is why Bernie isn't doing it. He would sideline himself just because Nay May 2015 #106
i can go with ALL of this. excellent. and agree. thanks. i am still gonna be watchful. seabeyond May 2015 #109
That assumes that Bernie concedes that money is more powerful then people.... daleanime May 2015 #2
Another good point. He's going down the straight and narrow road ethically, which Nay May 2015 #108
this is another area i ponder. i was thinking about it this morning, reading another OP on du. seabeyond May 2015 #110
A repeat of 2000 and the Repubs win upaloopa May 2015 #4
Fortunately Sanders has said he will support the nominee and won't play into this foolishness. hrmjustin May 2015 #5
i had heard that. i am checking back. this is after TPA, and listening to duers, i think it seabeyond May 2015 #8
Agreed! I hope people realize voting third party is helping to elect Republicans. hrmjustin May 2015 #9
Ed Schultz asked him that question and he answered no he would not be a spoiler. Just saying to jwirr May 2015 #26
ty. so, just a throw it out there, from occupy, with no teeth. right? nt seabeyond May 2015 #28
right. jwirr May 2015 #31
this is what i adamantly want to hear. ty. nt seabeyond May 2015 #35
One blogger's opinion? arcane1 May 2015 #6
Very sophisticated propaganda... Octafish May 2015 #101
Sanders has made it abundantly clear that he has no interest sufrommich May 2015 #7
k. thanks for this. and others. gonna just leave up for a second or two longer to listen to other seabeyond May 2015 #10
Have to admire your tenacity. hootinholler May 2015 #11
wtf ever. god fordid we actually talk about the politics of the democratic party, seabeyond May 2015 #13
Another in the "trickle down" series. nt Romulox May 2015 #12
it is our occupy, it is our democratic party. really? i am suppose to look the other way? seabeyond May 2015 #14
Not at all! As human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water... Romulox May 2015 #18
i get you want to joke about oppressed groups. personally, i do not find it funny seabeyond May 2015 #19
I wasn't joking about any group. I was joking about you and your bizarre "trickle down" theory. nt Romulox May 2015 #21
huh? hrmjustin May 2015 #38
Yeah there people on the left who think the Democratic Party is beyond saving. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #15
ya. are you hearing anything new since tpa? cause i agree. one of the stuff i had confidence in seabeyond May 2015 #16
I don't know how many times I have to post this DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #17
doesnt hurt to be aware what a part of our party (occupy), is now wanting. saying. you think? seabeyond May 2015 #20
it's bullshit. you know it's bullshit. but you like to stir it. cali May 2015 #62
here you go again... and it is old and tired. seabeyond May 2015 #64
Could say the same about your repetitive anti-Sanders posts Scootaloo May 2015 #82
it is a positive thread for sanders. you are not paying attention. if you are bothered seabeyond May 2015 #85
I'm not bothered at all Scootaloo May 2015 #87
ah, but see, you changed the story. that is not what happened, but being able to say it that seabeyond May 2015 #89
She hasn't made up her mind as to who she is supporting. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #92
not true. but, make shit out and present it as a fact, as if there is any validity what so ever.... seabeyond May 2015 #93
What you have there is an idiot. Bernie is running as a Democrat. Autumn May 2015 #22
good to hear, agree and thank you. nt seabeyond May 2015 #29
Parties aren't cages, nor are they identities. woo me with science May 2015 #23
ya ya ya... got it, know it and can agree. are we advocating third party? cause that would matter, seabeyond May 2015 #32
Why are you behaving this way? IMO, it's fascinating...and worth commenting on. woo me with science May 2015 #77
maybe if you simply read my words instead of trying to squish it into your agenda you want to give seabeyond May 2015 #79
Good article. but wrong marym625 May 2015 #25
k, lol. as long as we are still good, sittin' in democrat. nt seabeyond May 2015 #33
Only ones pushing that would be those who want to see a spoiler and republican win still_one May 2015 #30
yes. i would agree with this. i have heard cheering for just that. just taking temperature... nt seabeyond May 2015 #34
too many dubious assumptions surrealAmerican May 2015 #36
"I would argue that there is little support for either assumption." good points. ty. nt seabeyond May 2015 #37
Sanders will be able to get his ideals out there and in the process help the party Gothmog May 2015 #39
i agree with all this too. nt seabeyond May 2015 #40
No one in their right mind likes the role that money plays in poltiics Gothmog May 2015 #41
it is like 87% of the nation wants the money out, that law out. nt seabeyond May 2015 #46
But the only way that this will happen is if a Democrat wins in 2016 Gothmog May 2015 #50
i agree. i am no longer supporting anyone. sanders people do not want me. lol. and not ready seabeyond May 2015 #52
That is the part of the primary process Gothmog May 2015 #59
i really believe 2016 is the dems to win. that might be pollyanna up against kock, for sure. nt seabeyond May 2015 #61
I agree that there are some demographic advantages in favor of the Democratic candidate Gothmog May 2015 #71
+1. i am not taking anything for granted either. hence, the OP. lol. nt seabeyond May 2015 #72
Don't count your chickens yet... William King May 2015 #74
of course it is too soon, and is only an opinion, and not counting nothing. i do believe seabeyond May 2015 #75
We are expecting the GOP to try to steal the elections Gothmog May 2015 #83
Agreed. The costs of running for president... William King May 2015 #69
This is why this election is so important Gothmog May 2015 #42
agree with this too. nt seabeyond May 2015 #47
This tactic you are working is very familiar. Enquiring minds just asking, right? ;-) TheKentuckian May 2015 #43
expect most on this democratic board can have a reasonable, productive discussion. then there is you seabeyond May 2015 #48
Often in life the gut reaction is the most honest one. Your tactic is quite familiar. TheKentuckian May 2015 #90
and your assumptions refusing knowledge are a bore. seabeyond May 2015 #91
Well yours is familiar anyway. n/t JTFrog May 2015 #78
We all, ALL of us need to stop paying attention to this crap. MuseRider May 2015 #44
i really believe in paying attention to the whats and whys in a campaign. occupy seabeyond May 2015 #49
Well that is certainly true MuseRider May 2015 #57
i just wanted information. peoples perspective. and i know.... seabeyond May 2015 #63
:-) n/t MuseRider May 2015 #67
If Sanders is the sheepdog, then great! BKH70041 May 2015 #45
advocating a three wAY? i do not know what you mean by your post, and the implication of baaahhhh. seabeyond May 2015 #51
This. BKH70041 May 2015 #66
ty. very interesting. i saw that when he first started talking about running. with our youth, seabeyond May 2015 #70
Former President Teddy Roosevelt made the most successful third party Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #53
" he can not run outside the system and hope to win." this was my question. seabeyond May 2015 #54
The OP calls for him to leave the system. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #73
thanks. nt seabeyond May 2015 #76
this is a trap DonCoquixote May 2015 #55
thank you for your post. i want to self delete, and i do not. cause i really want to know what seabeyond May 2015 #58
yes, and frankly we tried that experiment DonCoquixote May 2015 #65
yes. i think we clearly have the answer to that one. nt seabeyond May 2015 #68
We are sick of the billionaires taking everything from us. Initech May 2015 #80
k. but that really had nothing about what i posted. but k. nt seabeyond May 2015 #81
I have my concerns that if it's an ugly primary many will try to convince Bernie to run third party. DCBob May 2015 #84
i think that is a possibility and why i brought it up. reading FB, i saw this threre. nt seabeyond May 2015 #86
Posting this for info only? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #88
"She’s also likely to test Sanders’s populist rhetoric in focus groups for her own campaign, ..." dawg May 2015 #96
totally agree. nt seabeyond May 2015 #98
Worrisome. ucrdem May 2015 #97
Who is abandoning who? L0oniX May 2015 #99
Man, that bottom photo sure has me vomiting in my mouth. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2015 #103
+1 darkangel218 May 2015 #111
More neoliberal horseshit scare tactics. 99Forever May 2015 #100
good to know you see this occupy article as horseshit scare tactics. !! seabeyond May 2015 #104
It's also good to notice that with those that who worship at the Alter of Personality... 99Forever May 2015 #112
I actually very much agree with this F4lconF16 May 2015 #105
ya. me too. i am outta here, also. seabeyond May 2015 #107
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