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107. Of course! Do we want artists dying for their art? Really?

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musician sparks backlash for requesting her violin from crashed Amtrak train [View all] Liberal_in_LA May 2015 OP

Yep - poor taste indeed DrDan May 2015 #1

What an idiot. For a musician, she is TONE DEAF. nt MADem May 2015 #2

Internet shaming of the week alcibiades_mystery May 2015 #3

Agreed. Wish it weren't that way. morningfog May 2015 #27

+Infinity. arcane1 May 2015 #29

And I understand her anger and frustration. yardwork May 2015 #103

Not surprising - more garbage from the Daily Mail. Oneironaut May 2015 #197

I am not defending her at all but... Renew Deal May 2015 #4

I can understand that...My first girl friend was a gopiscrap May 2015 #30

$18K is on the VERY low end for a professional grade instrument . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #72

altogether is was 18K for the violin 7k for bow gopiscrap May 2015 #75

It would have been on the low end even then . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #77

holy cow, how can they be that much? treestar May 2015 #118

When one performs at a professional level in Classical music . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #156

Amazing they play better that old treestar May 2015 #236

Even more interesting is the fact that they MUST continue be played at least occasionally. . . markpkessinger May 2015 #237

someone I know brought a bass bow for her kid for 5K and he was a teen Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #174

It's not than unusual for a professional to have more than one instrument. winter is coming May 2015 #214

I thought the same thing, but the tone and wording of that shows her to be a self absorbed asshole. Stinky The Clown May 2015 #52

"Thanks a lot for derailing my train" Mariana May 2015 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author CreekDog May 2015 #208

well then that settles it CreekDog May 2015 #209

As if that changes the tone of what she wrote. Stinky The Clown May 2015 #227

It isn't just that it's expensive . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #60

Much more than that for the violin catrose May 2015 #93

Some violins are family heirlooms, bvar22 May 2015 #228

Fake outrage LittleBlue May 2015 #5

Her self-importance is galling... TeeYiYi May 2015 #10

she didn't say get my violin then help those in need CreekDog May 2015 #51

No, but the tweet is snarky and comes across as immature and self-centered. Gormy Cuss May 2015 #101

I disagree that it is the topic of her complaint CreekDog May 2015 #187

I see it less as self-importance and more as a reaction predicated on shock LanternWaste May 2015 #54

Good point. n/t Gormy Cuss May 2015 #102

Probably so catrose May 2015 #110

Well, you see Lantern Waste... Oilwellian May 2015 #203

Yes, seven people died . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #62

I think that's the problem. No doubt she needs the violin The Velveteen Ocelot May 2015 #85

Even if it is insured Goblinmonger May 2015 #157

That's quite true - you don't go to Wal-Mart for a violin. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2015 #160

Exactly. nt RiffRandell May 2015 #199

I'm with you on this one. SMC22307 May 2015 #193

Wow, i assume you would of done the same thing. Some people have.. Logical May 2015 #17

That would have stung if you hadn't said LittleBlue May 2015 #21

I see that all the time here. cwydro May 2015 #24

LOL....feel important now? Well..... Logical May 2015 #37

Best way to rationalize one's mistake is by pretending the reaction is worse than the mistake itself LanternWaste May 2015 #41

LOL, hey it is repeating subject line guy. nt Logical May 2015 #117

Since you really made no point other than to say I had a personality flaw LittleBlue May 2015 #79

PROTIP: That is not "would of." NuclearDem May 2015 #45

Publicly demanding that people retrieve a personal possession Kelvin Mace May 2015 #36

Fuck her source of income jberryhill May 2015 #46

Exactly. Spot on, jberry LittleBlue May 2015 #73

I understand about getting a violin back. They are expensive, but saying that, her timing sucks. Xyzse May 2015 #6

Very poor taste, but her violin is her livelihood. And look at the timestamp... haele May 2015 #7

we should stop shaming people. We don't live in their lives. She may struggle as an CTyankee May 2015 #31

Well, it would REALLY help if people Kelvin Mace May 2015 #39

yeah, I know...sad but I think if this were her livelihood she would naturally be concerned. CTyankee May 2015 #100

Nothing wrong with being concerned Kelvin Mace May 2015 #175

Yeah, the nerve of a person not thinking soundly 15 minutes after a train derailment CreekDog May 2015 #222

Again, she had all sorts of ways to ask about her violin Kelvin Mace May 2015 #223

If you are so insistent on being helpful, why weren't you there at the wreckage CreekDog May 2015 #225

Same reason I am not advising GOP candidates not to say damned foolish things Kelvin Mace May 2015 #226

You know who else here has lost their living? Guess and I will let you know if you are right! nt Logical May 2015 #44

Not you jberryhill May 2015 #53

Yeah, well maybe she should have insured it. RiffRandell May 2015 #49

maybe she did and she just wanted her original violin back. It might have a "feel" CTyankee May 2015 #106

Because people fucking died. RiffRandell May 2015 #182

That's a pretty violent suggestion. CTyankee May 2015 #200

You Do Realize She Was On That Train ProfessorGAC May 2015 #224

Why is it in poor taste if it is her livelihood? markpkessinger May 2015 #64

Of course! Do we want artists dying for their art? Really? CTyankee May 2015 #107

What are you talking about? markpkessinger May 2015 #148

sorry for my lame attempt at sarcasm...dying for one's art is a melodramatic CTyankee May 2015 #194

Her bio... KansDem May 2015 #142

The poor taste wasn't about asking to go back for her violin, IMO. haele May 2015 #186

Not according to most of the criticism she has received here . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #190

I heard that she sent that tweet only 15 minutes after the crash. Sheldon Cooper May 2015 #8

She should have contacted them privately by phone or email, not Twitter. octoberlib May 2015 #9

This. riqster May 2015 #57

I'm sure she's not a horrible person. But..... Tommy_Carcetti May 2015 #11

Tweeting this? How would that help her get Ilsa May 2015 #12

She tagged AMTRAK with it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #71

When is the appropriate time to want her violin back? Goblinmonger May 2015 #13

How about her not being fucking stupid and contacting someone who.... Logical May 2015 #18

how about she tagged 2 Amtrak Twitter accounts? Goblinmonger May 2015 #22

Are you as concerned about the injured people who can't work now? I doubt it. nt Logical May 2015 #42

So, why are you working? jberryhill May 2015 #63

No, she should not whine about losing a tool when people died and are injured. Get it yet? nt Logical May 2015 #120

Yeah, so you should come to DU and whine about her whining on Twitter Trajan May 2015 #181

Holy Strawman, Batman Goblinmonger May 2015 #159

The next time you just walk out of a train crash WestSideStory May 2015 #183

If the violen was so precious to her and expensive, maybe she should have used a private carrier. Quackers May 2015 #33

She's a professional musician, FFS markpkessinger May 2015 #70

People died FFS! Quackers May 2015 #119

And do you think she knew that 15 minutes after she had crawled out of the wreckage? n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #133

Most people wouldn't be ignorant enough to tweet that 15 minutes after the train they're on crashes. Quackers May 2015 #146

I'm not willing to call anything anyone does in the immediate aftermath of an accident "fucked up" . markpkessinger May 2015 #150

Yes, I have been through something similar. Quackers May 2015 #161

I never said a violin was worth more than a human life, and neither did she n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #134

Professional musicians carry their instruments with them eom catrose May 2015 #113

Just because she is a profession musician doesn't mean she's fucking Madonna. Goblinmonger May 2015 #163

The way that tweet read was that it was ALL ABOUT HER. MoonRiver May 2015 #212

That's all on you. Goblinmonger May 2015 #213

Her tweet is what it is. MoonRiver May 2015 #217

oh wow, well that's a crime that your condemnation is certainly needed to prevent CreekDog May 2015 #221

It doesn't matter because outragggge!!! Oneironaut May 2015 #196

How does her asking "can I get my violin back" be turned turn into justhanginon May 2015 #14

It's the Daily Mail LittleBlue May 2015 #19

The Pillory is back, and it's gone digital. arcane1 May 2015 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #15

I am glad we have a way for fucking morons to expose their stupidity! nt Logical May 2015 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #23

I will realize that people are rude and stupid, and now people will know this about her. nt Logical May 2015 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #48

And do you feel better now? philosslayer May 2015 #43

Why yes, we do. pintobean May 2015 #55

Anytime time will do...they're fucking nuts. (nt) Inkfreak May 2015 #151

In the future, everyone will be internet shamed for 15 hours alcibiades_mystery May 2015 #178

She could have worded that a hell of a lot better. Aerows May 2015 #16

Really? philosslayer May 2015 #68

I'm the one worked up? Aerows May 2015 #78

Maybe because i HATE internet bullying philosslayer May 2015 #82

Uh, okay Aerows May 2015 #84

Here's the deal... philosslayer May 2015 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author Long Drive May 2015 #143

Seriously. The people worked up over the outrage seem to be the ones kcr May 2015 #153

There IS another Brigade jen63 May 2015 #152

I'm sorry for your loss. I'm retired USN myself. haele May 2015 #210

Thank you for your concern. jen63 May 2015 #211

I can't read anything into this... not at all. hunter May 2015 #25

Yup, I can't get mad about this at all. I hope she gets it back and it is ok. uppityperson May 2015 #50

Some are supporting her tweet. I hope she has insurance on the violin Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #176

I'm with you folks. Here's hoping she gets her violin back. Paladin May 2015 #204

yes in fact one of the most vocal in the thread CreekDog May 2015 #220

She probably didn't mean to come off as a narcissistic ass... NaturalHigh May 2015 #26

I don't think so at all. If she is a musical artist whose livelihood depends on her violin CTyankee May 2015 #34

I guarantee she can find another violin to practice. I bet the people in the hospital..... Logical May 2015 #47

You think professional grade instruments are just out there for anyone who wants to borrow one? markpkessinger May 2015 #80

That comment is so stupid it hurts. mindem May 2015 #87

Oh please, you act like she asked for her violin to be retrieved while people die CreekDog May 2015 #88

Oh, well, you GUARANTEE it. So that makes it a real thing. Goblinmonger May 2015 #165

It's her livelihood. If you needed something to coninue your employement, you'd want it back too Ex Lurker May 2015 #28

See no. 142 KansDem May 2015 #145

Lemme see nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #32

Seems like a valid request to me. Unvanguard May 2015 #40

She's a violinist for the Washington National Opera jberryhill May 2015 #56

Criticize her all you want . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #58

After reading this entire thread, I agree with you. hifiguy May 2015 #67

Umm... She was just involved in a horrific 100 mph train wreck. pintobean May 2015 #59

Her message seems polite, she even says "thanks". CreekDog May 2015 #61

Quite so . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #65

(sigh!) Yet another reason why I don't do Twitter. . . DinahMoeHum May 2015 #66

Yeah, whatever. Iggo May 2015 #69

First person to respond was a RWer Kalidurga May 2015 #74

people need to think before they tweet Skittles May 2015 #91

Agreed, but lots of folks might not think things through 15 minutes after being in an accident n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #97

and if they don't think, what should the penalty for that be? CreekDog May 2015 #219

EXACTLY why I don't tweet Skittles May 2015 #229

EXACTLY why I shouldn't tweet CreekDog May 2015 #231

*HEH* Skittles May 2015 #235

How can people not make public asses put of themselves ? olddots May 2015 #76

she's deprived of her emotional outlet and people complain about her not being properly emotional? unblock May 2015 #81

Maybe better to wait for the bodies to be buried (or at least pulled from the wreckage) Nye Bevan May 2015 #83

Everyone here has a right to complain about this girl's tweet CreekDog May 2015 #89

If a part of you was still on that train after you got off ,you would want it back just as soon as Wash. state Desk Jet May 2015 #90

sure she needs her violin Skittles May 2015 #112

Where did she do that? Goblinmonger May 2015 #167

uh huh Skittles May 2015 #192

This tweet was sent 15 minutes after a traumatic accident . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #92

And she was probably going somewhere to catrose May 2015 #94

Exactly! n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #95

Why is this so damned hard for people here to understand? hifiguy May 2015 #96

And probably desperately wanted to go find her violin on the train and they wouldn't let her get it Beaverhausen May 2015 #108

Right catrose May 2015 #114

Truly! catrose May 2015 #115

+1 MadrasT May 2015 #130

So the rescuers are supposed to stop looking for and helping victims, MoonRiver May 2015 #98

No, that's not what she said CreekDog May 2015 #218

She's one of the victims FFS RedCappedBandit May 2015 #99

You are correct. darkangel218 May 2015 #105

Wonder if that was a friend of mine catrose May 2015 #169

Most patients, if awake and alerted , worry about various things after an accident darkangel218 May 2015 #170

Makes sense, somehow eom catrose May 2015 #172

here is her bio. She uses that instrument to make a living Beaverhausen May 2015 #104

Rec to bring awerness that trauma victims are not just physically traumatized darkangel218 May 2015 #109

^THIS^ eom catrose May 2015 #116

Oh FFS. nt Logical May 2015 #122

Ffs what? care to explain why you disagree? darkangel218 May 2015 #123

I have no problem with the request Trajan May 2015 #111

via twitter? lol, ok. nt Logical May 2015 #121

No where did I mention Twitter Trajan May 2015 #125

Besides "lol" and "ffs", why do you disagree with this victim request? darkangel218 May 2015 #126

Because people were dead and 100s will miss their job and pay tomorrow and this idiot.... Logical May 2015 #128

She was a victim too. People dont think clearly when shit hits the fan. darkangel218 May 2015 #131

Then where is her apology? Her website says nothing! And she deleted her twitter account. nt Logical May 2015 #136

She deleted the twit AND the account. darkangel218 May 2015 #138

Normal people do apologize. It is telling she has not. We disagree on this. nt Logical May 2015 #155

You call a stranger "not normal" because they long for a precious item while in shock?? darkangel218 May 2015 #158

I feel for the injured people and the ones that died. I would never whine about my missing stuff.... Logical May 2015 #162

She didnt stop search ane rescue. She didnt hurt or harm anyone. darkangel218 May 2015 #166

OK, that is really silly. Almost think you are messing with me. nt Logical May 2015 #168

No one is "messing" with you. darkangel218 May 2015 #171

you said worse than she did actually, and you never apologized CreekDog May 2015 #216

Delete a twitter account full of people telling you you're a peice of shit? haele May 2015 #234

They are still looking for bodies/survivors Omaha Steve May 2015 #124

She probably didn't know that at the time Beaverhausen May 2015 #129

I'm taking bets malaise May 2015 #127

This MoonRiver May 2015 #137

I should have added or only child malaise May 2015 #141

Yes, that too! MoonRiver May 2015 #144

Glad to know you can instantly judge someone who just had a near death experience philosslayer May 2015 #149

Wow malaise.. seriously?? darkangel218 May 2015 #154

Thanks a lot for derailing my train malaise May 2015 #177

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #188

This message was self-deleted by its author steve2470 May 2015 #132

You are wrong. She is one of the victims. darkangel218 May 2015 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author steve2470 May 2015 #139

No it wasnt off. darkangel218 May 2015 #140

I wish people would stop reacting to tweets like they signified anything important. Inkfreak May 2015 #147

I give people the benefit of a doubt. Sometimes internet words don't transmit true feelings. BlueJazz May 2015 #164

I hear ya. Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #173

Chill out Internet. She screwed up, as we all have. Let's not ruin her life for it. nt tridim May 2015 #179

She didnt "screw up". darkangel218 May 2015 #180

+1. Paladin May 2015 #205

Who the fuck does this right wing piece of shit think he is? WestSideStory May 2015 #184

So this was today's Internet 2-minute hate? n/t PoliticAverse May 2015 #185

An ex of mine -- also a classical violinist -- knows Jennifer Kim . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #189

Are people just looking to be pissed off? U4ikLefty May 2015 #191

Who cares? Is this another Internet outrage thing? Oneironaut May 2015 #195

Poor kid rjsquirrel May 2015 #201

I'm sure most folks who lost an $18K+ essential piece of equipment for them to earn a living would stevenleser May 2015 #202

Looking at Ms. Kim's impressive CV, up-thread, I'm betting it's a lot more than $18K. (nt) Paladin May 2015 #206

Actual pricing for instruments like this are hard to find online SwankyXomb May 2015 #232

You can drop $30K to $35K on a modern-made violin without any effort. (nt) Paladin May 2015 #233

Lots of people trying to script a victim's reaction right after a horrific experiance. haele May 2015 #207

+1 CreekDog May 2015 #215

Wow, there's a whole lot of self-righteous schoolmarms in this thread. backscatter712 May 2015 #230

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #238