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80. The only one doing the spying...

Reply to MohRokTah (Reply #52)

Thu May 7, 2015, 09:14 PM

May 2015

is the American government against its citizens and businesses.

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Snowden has been vindicated and he is a hero [View all] Harmony Blue May 2015 OP

The courts have not addressed whether the program is constitutional. Thinkingabout May 2015 #1

Do you think that there is anything constitutionally correct about this? marym625 May 2015 #3

Notice poster never agrees, just brings up something else. Rex May 2015 #5

unbelievable marym625 May 2015 #9

IT is right here in this thread...the grudge against someone for being right. Rex May 2015 #15

smh marym625 May 2015 #22

When you are right then it remains right. Glad to know you noticed my consistent stand. Thinkingabout May 2015 #12

Consistency in deflection should not be a point of pride. merrily May 2015 #113

+1,000 malaise May 2015 #51

Notice poster's username is a misnomer WhaTHellsgoingonhere May 2015 #63

It's called propaganda. woo me with science May 2015 #111

Good point. Continual deflection. merrily May 2015 #112

I don't know about that legendary part. d_legendary1 May 2015 #156

In reading the constitution and knowing warrants have been requested and granted, yes. Thinkingabout May 2015 #7

warrants have been granted against everyone in the US? marym625 May 2015 #10

The warrants went to the providers of the records of which was their property. The records does not Thinkingabout May 2015 #14

Which is another bullshit policy marym625 May 2015 #19

Call it whatever you please, the Constitution was around before any of the providers. Thinkingabout May 2015 #23

This has been challenged marym625 May 2015 #25

If the president and congress believe it to be Exilednight May 2015 #55

excellent question. Ask them marym625 May 2015 #58

Exxon pumps gas into me, and that's apparently okay. JackRiddler May 2015 #193

EXXON gas in your vehicle does not give you ownership of the pumps, station Thinkingabout May 2015 #194

Exxon POLLUTION in my veins gives me ownership... JackRiddler May 2015 #200

So pollution is the answer, nope don't think it is, maybe this is a part of the problem. Thinkingabout May 2015 #205

Are you a Turing machine? JackRiddler May 2015 #206

Perhaps mentioning Exxon turns into pollution might make one Thinkingabout May 2015 #207

Do you purchase any articles, services, etc like groceries, milk, gas? Thinkingabout May 2015 #16

What! ? marym625 May 2015 #24

If you eat food, you must support capitalism! JackRiddler May 2015 #201

oh! my bad! marym625 May 2015 #202

by the way marym625 May 2015 #13

The quote i gave you was from the link listed in the thread. Thinkingabout May 2015 #18

General warrants were requested and granted, JDPriestly May 2015 #42

Yes, it is true our homes are "safe" but when a warrant is issued then your home can be inspected. Thinkingabout May 2015 #66

We used to "expect" - reasonably! - that our phone conversations/mail were private bread_and_roses May 2015 #119

Are you old enough to remember looking at a phone bill and observing the long distance calls, Thinkingabout May 2015 #172

Yeah, I remember those bills. randome May 2015 #186

That is the same information delivered to the NSA. I do not know who started Thinkingabout May 2015 #187

Of course I understand that warrants were issued - I said so bread_and_roses May 2015 #189

Why do you think the phone call records do not belong to the providers? Thinkingabout May 2015 #190

Of course the gas pump owner jeepers May 2015 #203

The phone data records never went through you phone, they belong to the provider. Your Thinkingabout May 2015 #204

As I remember the Constitution says, "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, rhett o rick May 2015 #169

But you don't know that warrants have been requested and granted. You are rhett o rick May 2015 #90

My understanding is that, yes, the program is constitutional and that... PosterChild May 2015 #73

and other courts have found it is unconstitutional marym625 May 2015 #81

I don't believe so . ... PosterChild May 2015 #83

Which Supreme Court case is the basis for your understanding about constitutionality? merrily May 2015 #114

I think they will fail to extend Harmony Blue May 2015 #8

Issuing the warrants is in the Constitution and until that is changed getting the Thinkingabout May 2015 #38

The courts found it illegal Aerows May 2015 #43

+1 Ed Suspicious May 2015 #45

warrants in the constitution? Mnpaul May 2015 #48

The warrants are not issued to persons, houses, they are issued to providers of services, the Thinkingabout May 2015 #94

Clearly, you are no Fourth Amendment scholar. merrily May 2015 #115

Got the doctorate by completing a 6,000 page thesis on the 3rd Amendment. Glassunion May 2015 #158

LOL! But seriously folks.... merrily May 2015 #159

Don't knock the 3rd Amendment. Glassunion May 2015 #163

Plus that lovely news that the Republican congress people are so freaking dysfunctional dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #62

How many illegal activities are constitutional? Can you give me a list? n/t cui bono May 2015 #27

The question of constitionality... PosterChild May 2015 #85

No. There are two kinds of analysis. One is whether a law is, on its face, unconstitutional, merrily May 2015 #116

I find your analysis... PosterChild May 2015 #126

Those purporting to be attorneys on DU always avoid substantive legal questions riderinthestorm May 2015 #151

I do not purport to be an attorney on DU, or off DU. merrily May 2015 #153

Thanks! Keep facts in focus ! /nt/ PosterChild May 2015 #70

It must hurt, Thinkingabout. It must truly hurt. delrem May 2015 #75

I read it was under the Patriot Act it was illegal, the ruling did not exclude other methods. Thinkingabout May 2015 #93

Other methods of what? And, with all due respect, what you give a damn about is totally irrelevant. merrily May 2015 #118

:facepalm: BeanMusical May 2015 #95

It did address the question of whether the program is legal and said no. merrily May 2015 #110

Great news marym625 May 2015 #2

+1 a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #31

YEP. Metadata illegal...he was right. Rex May 2015 #4

Oh if only marym625 May 2015 #36

Telephone metadata collection was known in 2006, long before anybody knew who Snowden was Cali_Democrat May 2015 #6

No it wasn't Harmony Blue May 2015 #11

The article is from May 2006 and it specifically mentions the phone data collection program Cali_Democrat May 2015 #26

Insane ... Fantastic Anarchist May 2015 #180

Right. It's more about Obama who pushed to "legalize" it after BushCo did it illegally. n/t cui bono May 2015 #28

+1000 marym625 May 2015 #37

It was known, but there was no proof Oilwellian May 2015 #79

Yes. We had hints that it was happening. delrem May 2015 #82

Hints? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #103

What Snowden revealed was way more that just telephone data. And the lie came from your rhett o rick May 2015 #92

The ruling mentioned in the OP was specific to telephone metadata collection only Cali_Democrat May 2015 #101

"way more than just telephone data." woo me with science May 2015 #107

Best anti-bs, anti-shill post ever. merrily May 2015 #122

That's a phenomenal compilation! Posting it is a great public service - thanks! nt GliderGuider May 2015 #123

Jesus. F4lconF16 May 2015 #170

Thanks for all those links red dog 1 May 2015 #171

Wonder why Eric Holder thought he might have a criminal case against Snowden, then? merrily May 2015 #117

Hopefully Snowden will stand trial for his crimes. stonecutter357 May 2015 #124

Yeah, you gotta love the circular logic: Snowden's a criminal! closeupready May 2015 #183

How has anyone's privacy been invaded? randome May 2015 #188

Always Thought So - Always Will cantbeserious May 2015 #17

Thank you again Mr. Snowden. You are an American hero! n/t wildbilln864 May 2015 #20

I am think the full picture is a little more nuanced. iandhr May 2015 #21

Oh please. truebluegreen May 2015 #34

He's not stuck there. He's welcome back - as long as its with an FBI escort. LeftInTX May 2015 #108

Gandhi? Is that you? truebluegreen May 2015 #139

Got the avatar FlatBaroque May 2015 #182

Indeed. truebluegreen May 2015 #198

Someone should make a statue of Snowden! TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #29

How about Snowden bedsheets? randome May 2015 #141

Nothing in that link vindicates Snowden MohRokTah May 2015 #30

A whistleblower by definition has not committed crimes Harmony Blue May 2015 #40

Snowden is NO whistleblower. MohRokTah May 2015 #52

With that my respect for the H with a right arrow just went down a notch. zeemike May 2015 #64

IOW ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #77

Not just any board, a progressive or liberal board zeemike May 2015 #87

Your own words ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #88

Preach it LittleGirl May 2015 #89

My comment was on the comment of the poster. zeemike May 2015 #136

Wow. Predictable immediate, attacking defense not just of HC, but of her *ICON.* woo me with science May 2015 #99

My posts have had nothing to do with HC ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #102

Propaganda is a low, disreputable occupation. woo me with science May 2015 #104

Again, totally off-topic ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #106

heh Bobbie Jo May 2015 #154

Ain't that the damn truth. Number23 May 2015 #184

As I told someone who thought I might be interested, "I'd rather be bitten by rabid dogs merrily May 2015 #120

LOL Cali_Democrat May 2015 #167

If you're gonna let an anonymous poster on a message board influence your vote... Cali_Democrat May 2015 #181

I am sure you feel that voting is for the right thinking people. zeemike May 2015 #185

+ up! /nt/ PosterChild May 2015 #74

The only one doing the spying... Oilwellian May 2015 #80

Spy's don't publicly release information that they know Joe Turner May 2015 #86

+ 1 red dog 1 May 2015 #174

Hey, you're back! BeanMusical May 2015 #96

Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast May 2015 #32

kick samsingh May 2015 #33

I think the compelling public service that Snowden provided - lovemydog May 2015 #35

Agree 100% marym625 May 2015 #39

History moved pretty quickly in vindicating Daniel Ellsberg, and I believe lovemydog May 2015 #44

But no one will be punished but Snowden, cuz, you know, America. nt valerief May 2015 #41

And the authoritarians haz a sad. 99Forever May 2015 #46

pretty much! blackspade May 2015 #47

So stealing hundreds of thousands of documents... randome May 2015 #49

This... rep the dems May 2015 #60

Of course it's more fun to think of some DUers as 'losing' something in this debate. randome May 2015 #65

He's a whistleblower, randome. delrem May 2015 #78

A whistleblower reveals illegality or fraud. randome May 2015 #125

And according to the courts, he revealed illegality. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #129

I don't see it that way. randome May 2015 #132

Really? Because bank robbers usually rob banks to take and keep money. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #133

"...wasn't all that secure..." randome May 2015 #137

He'd be more of a hero in my books if he'd simply released all of the documents in full Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #128

I can appreciate that viewpoint but I don't see ANY government wanting its secrets exposed. randome May 2015 #134

Except as we just saw, unless you have people leaking classified info Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #135

But in reality we have created such a cluster fuck all over the planet with randys1 May 2015 #177

Crows are becoming endangered... L0oniX May 2015 #50

Nah, they're still all living in denial and declaring him a traitor. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #130

. AuntPatsy May 2015 #53

No he hasn't, and no he isn't. gcomeau May 2015 #54

Good. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #131

WTF do you mean... "Good"? gcomeau May 2015 #157

I don't consider it 'legitimate'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #160

On what grounds? gcomeau May 2015 #173

Yes. YES. YES!!!! 840high May 2015 #56

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT May 2015 #57

It's time for the president to give him a full pardon and allow him to come home. totodeinhere May 2015 #59

Good. delrem May 2015 #61

And a personal opinion is a more honest one, IMO. randome May 2015 #67

You say delrem May 2015 #69

Yikes, can only see 19 of 64 replies but have a question for all carolinayellowdog May 2015 #68

I like Snowden. delrem May 2015 #72

Wrong on both counts, but don't mind me Blue_Tires May 2015 #71

This also, it seems to me, to be a triumph for US law. delrem May 2015 #76

Authoritarian concern agents are outraged, introduce new legislation... whereisjustice May 2015 #84

Moscow to Kennedy flights available alcibiades_mystery May 2015 #91

I would not kvell just yet. There's still the Supremes. merrily May 2015 #97

"Who are these three judges???" Spitfire of ATJ May 2015 #98

He is absolutely a hero. It's way past time to end the criminal secret government. woo me with science May 2015 #100

K & R AzDar May 2015 #105

And metadata is just the tip of the iceberg for these criminals. woo me with science May 2015 #109

Said it before and I'll say it again. I'm glad I know what Snowden revealed. merrily May 2015 #121

+1 navarth May 2015 #142

Rec. and Kudos to Snowden. But that is one nasty link. Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #127

I see the usual Snowden bashers and totalitarians are out in force hueymahl May 2015 #138

I will NEVER understand the need to call fellow DUers 'authoritarians'. randome May 2015 #140

Not "does not cover it," but does not authorize it. The agency, part of the Executive Branch, merrily May 2015 #146

Fine by me. Such judicial rulings happen nearly every day. randome May 2015 #147

Not really a daily occurrence at the SCOTUS. Something being a common practice for a long time is merrily May 2015 #148

This was actually a federal appeals court ruling. randome May 2015 #149

Some posters are consistently anti-freedom and pro authoritarianism hueymahl May 2015 #152

States that build surveillance machines woo me with science May 2015 #191

easy to understand "kiss up, kick down"-- authoritarian aggression carolinayellowdog May 2015 #150

Yeah the authoritarians are so easy to spot, they instantly reply to your type of post Rex May 2015 #165

kick for Ed Snowden. navarth May 2015 #143

He was already vindicated. But he's still not a hero. True Blue Door May 2015 #144

Can't wait until they pull this sh#t on Hillary. nt ucrdem May 2015 #145

That spin is fascinating. If anything, this is a rejection of Snowden. What the ruling says is... stevenleser May 2015 #155

Snowden is on the right side of this issue, it doesn't make him my hero. cheapdate May 2015 #161

Yes, that was my first reaction too. Damansarajaya May 2015 #162

Nothing new here. n/t Mira May 2015 #164

He hasn't been "vindicated". Funny how ONE illegal act is BAD, but another is perfectly fine? George II May 2015 #166

Yes!! Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #168

K&R red dog 1 May 2015 #175

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #176

This I like! nt wolfie001 May 2015 #178

I already recommended this, but wish I could again. Fantastic Anarchist May 2015 #179

Ellsburg was a Hero Zo Zig May 2015 #192

I'll just leave this here from 2013 Paulie May 2015 #195

Thanks Zo Zig May 2015 #197

Daniel Ellsberg Calls Edward Snowden A 'Hero' Not water May 2015 #196

What about the perfectly legitimate foreign intelligence operations? Adrahil May 2015 #199