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In reply to the discussion: Professor Bans Student for Rape Views [View all]F4lconF16
(3,747 posts)71. Jury results...
On Thu Mar 19, 2015, 02:35 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6386075
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Refers to denial of the seriousness of rape as "truth." Not only is this false, it's rape apology.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 19, 2015, 02:49 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post itself is absolutely fine as it states a basic pov: Truth should be able to be said. The poster throughout conversation stands by this principle and I can see nothing wrong with it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: *This* post could be defended by claiming that "truth* is intended to refer to general arguments in college classrooms and to the generally accepted idea that the way to approach truth is by arguing freely on all sides of an issue rather than by suppressing unpopular minority opinions. I happen to believe that lumberjack_jeff's posts are usually disingenuous defenses of the indefensible, and I have seen many posts by him on racism, sexism, civil rights vs. state power (including police brutality), and similar topics that could justifiably be hidden. But he tends to push right up to the line, and I tend to leave borderline posts both for exposure and also because in general I lean toward protecting speech, even that which I detest. He is always on the same side of any issue AverageJoe would be found on, and I dislike his positions for the same reasons I disliked that recently banned troll's, but I don't think this post quite reaches hideability, since the "truth" is (deliberately, I'm sure) open to interpretation. Still, his posts all through this thread are offensive, even if they don't quite cross the TOS violation line. (And he isn't the only one doing this in this thread!)
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While I agree with alerter, this post doesn't rise to the level of a hide, imo. There's nothing here that's particularly bad, though the implications are nasty. Hiding this post would only serve to reinforce his claims in this thread. Gotta love them DU misogynists: some are pretty good at keeping it hidden. (Thank goodness another just got banned--he was as see-through as this one).
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
That which can be destroyed by the truth, should be.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6386075
REASON FOR ALERT
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS
Refers to denial of the seriousness of rape as "truth." Not only is this false, it's rape apology.
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Mar 19, 2015, 02:49 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Post itself is absolutely fine as it states a basic pov: Truth should be able to be said. The poster throughout conversation stands by this principle and I can see nothing wrong with it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: *This* post could be defended by claiming that "truth* is intended to refer to general arguments in college classrooms and to the generally accepted idea that the way to approach truth is by arguing freely on all sides of an issue rather than by suppressing unpopular minority opinions. I happen to believe that lumberjack_jeff's posts are usually disingenuous defenses of the indefensible, and I have seen many posts by him on racism, sexism, civil rights vs. state power (including police brutality), and similar topics that could justifiably be hidden. But he tends to push right up to the line, and I tend to leave borderline posts both for exposure and also because in general I lean toward protecting speech, even that which I detest. He is always on the same side of any issue AverageJoe would be found on, and I dislike his positions for the same reasons I disliked that recently banned troll's, but I don't think this post quite reaches hideability, since the "truth" is (deliberately, I'm sure) open to interpretation. Still, his posts all through this thread are offensive, even if they don't quite cross the TOS violation line. (And he isn't the only one doing this in this thread!)
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: While I agree with alerter, this post doesn't rise to the level of a hide, imo. There's nothing here that's particularly bad, though the implications are nasty. Hiding this post would only serve to reinforce his claims in this thread. Gotta love them DU misogynists: some are pretty good at keeping it hidden. (Thank goodness another just got banned--he was as see-through as this one).
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.
I was Juror #6. Also, Juror #4 nailed it.
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When I Googled the student's name, I found this petition he has posted on Change.org
deutsey
Mar 2015
#4
The central question seems to be which of these salient points makes more sense
Major Nikon
Mar 2015
#50
False choice- as always. LOL. Both the culture and the rapists should be condemned. Easy!
bettyellen
Mar 2015
#167
Some people think that women being underpaid and under represented in government
bettyellen
Mar 2015
#171
Lol, luckily no one is fooled by anyone who pretends to be progressive yet vehemently argues against
bettyellen
Mar 2015
#175
no, you will not continue to alert.... at least for 24 hours. ya, betty is alert stalked. we saw
seabeyond
Mar 2015
#193
Between the sexists, the racists and the watermelon joke lovers, I am fucked, LOL.
bettyellen
Mar 2015
#206
The professor should make clear before the start of class which views are acceptable to air,
Nye Bevan
Mar 2015
#5
and after you have refuted and debunked the garbage, should the professor and students
KittyWampus
Mar 2015
#145
Should a college course on calculus also be equally accepting of all opinions?
stone space
Mar 2015
#118
At this rate, next thing we know, creationism will be denied in science classrooms.
LanternWaste
Mar 2015
#54
Free though is great. Provided you're not still thinking about it after class ends, apparently. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2015
#13
telling rape survivors their experience in being raped isn't real or is exaggerated
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#23
So, you assume the man is telling nothing but the truth and assume the women
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#55
ALL of his classmates were disturbed, so they stood up to his bullshit. Not"too delicate to survive"
bettyellen
Mar 2015
#162
the fact that the entire class refused to go forward with him present indicates he was
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#90
comparing rape survivors to mentally unstable creationists, stay classy 'Men's Group' host nt
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#40
Personally, I think facts and statistics should be admissible in college.
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2015
#51
ah, yes. lumberjack does like to call rape victims mentally unstable, as a few others do.
seabeyond
Mar 2015
#156
amazing how many people are willing to take this guy's account at face value.
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#22
So in an AA studies class, if a person was disrupting by dismissing the experiences of blacks
F4lconF16
Mar 2015
#70
So the standard of debate is that you can never make anyone uncomfortable? Really?
hack89
Mar 2015
#77
There's a difference between offering an opinion and intentionally being inflammatory.
alp227
Mar 2015
#102
I'm very interested in the answer to your question, because I think denier professors cant be fired
stevenleser
Mar 2015
#121
I remember many years ago in an undergrad class that was going to discuss abortion
tammywammy
Mar 2015
#48
I don't like this view that people need to be protected from things that make them "uncomfortable."
alarimer
Mar 2015
#35
Yes, it's not a therapy session for this dude to sit there and talk at everyone
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#154
Trumad should wear that hide with pride. Proof that DU's jury system is completely broken.
backscatter712
Mar 2015
#143
Our poli-sci class had Socialist Workers Party members, the son of Havana's police chief...
Eleanors38
Mar 2015
#75
The strategic thinking at UF was maybe an on-campus beer bar would tone down demonstrations...
Eleanors38
Mar 2015
#95
classrooms often, if not consistently have restricted bounds, am i not correct?
seabeyond
Mar 2015
#194
Some of this stuff has been discussed ad nauseam for years, I'll not go through it again....
Eleanors38
Mar 2015
#204
So, being able to harass women for not wanting to be raped or assaulted is the new Men's Right(TM).
backscatter712
Mar 2015
#88
What this thread doesn't tell me is what the class is and what the discussion subject was...
brooklynite
Mar 2015
#100
it's intro Humanities, apparently involving breakout sessions or 'conferences'
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#104
either that, or too much leeway was granted to the students in your examples
geek tragedy
Mar 2015
#103
People don't really seem to understand that colleges have codes of conduct.
Starry Messenger
Mar 2015
#112
So even when you have valid stats, you get kicked out when your opinions don't match others?
davidn3600
Mar 2015
#150
It was a "behavior" issue, not the free speech issue that dumbassed kid is hiding behind...
Blue_Tires
Mar 2015
#198