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Cleita

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Sun Apr 29, 2012, 03:02 PM Apr 2012

Rhetorical question on wilderness vs. development. [View all]

So I'm driving to the beach yesterday through one of our scenic canyons here on the coast of California. I hadn't been down this one in several years. Now this canyon, other than some ugly oil derricks was pretty pristine otherwise in native vegetation and wildlife. I was dismayed to see that a large portion of the land had been cleared and a new vineyards for wine planted. When I first moved here, there were no vineyards, then the wineries started coming in. Just how much wine is needed in the world? Granted vineyards are an attractive replacement, but they way they are done is not ecological and I believe it stresses and marginalize the wildlife even more than it is already.

My question is, although I know it's a fool's errand to try to stop development, just what should the ratio be between development, whether agricultural or structure and land left as wildlife preserves for the original residents of these lands of other species? I say we shouldn't develop more than 30% and leave the rest alone and definitely, we should create wildlife preserves around the waterways, like rivers, creeks and lakes. Are there any studies out there or anyone in the field who has studied this to give me a shove in the right direction to learning more about this?

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This is what I think should happen lunatica Apr 2012 #1
I do like that idea as it also eliminates the need for pesticides. n/t Cleita Apr 2012 #2
Would love to see this in lots of cities. JNelson6563 Apr 2012 #12
I think a lot of wineries are tax writeoffs. I also noticed that this little hobby of the 1% HiPointDem Apr 2012 #3
Maybe they should only be allowed 1% of the land to Cleita Apr 2012 #4
I still have this questions if anyone wants to chime in. n/t Cleita Apr 2012 #5
I thought you said the question was rhetorical (nt) muriel_volestrangler Apr 2012 #6
Why would that make a difference? n/t Cleita Apr 2012 #7
Read Aldo Leopold's RobertEarl Apr 2012 #8
Thank you. I will look for it in the library. n/t Cleita Apr 2012 #9
Because people don't expect answers to rhetorical questions muriel_volestrangler May 2012 #18
Answers are nice though. n/t Cleita May 2012 #19
K&R. We don't have to stop development, good planning and making those that profit from it Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #10
Oh, I already have. All of them are GOOPer Rethugs of the worst caliber. n/t Cleita Apr 2012 #11
Without Population Management the Ratio will always be shifting away from wilderness Taitertots Apr 2012 #13
Some of the smaller wineries are organic and pretty cool operations. raouldukelives Apr 2012 #14
Yes, it's a shame how destructive it is. They kill the birds too because they Cleita Apr 2012 #15
I would rather see vineyards than oil derricks. cbayer Apr 2012 #16
I would love to see the derricks go too. n/t Cleita Apr 2012 #17
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