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sabrina 1

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16. Good point, regarding the whistle blower charge.

Fri Dec 23, 2011, 05:16 AM

Dec 2011

He has said he reported his findings on the Iraqis he was asked to hand over to the Iraqi police who were apparently torturing prisoners and was ignored. He also saw evidence of crimes, and apparently struggled over what to do about it. I imagine the defense would call his superior officer to verify his claims.

But he did not try other avenues, maybe because he knew he would dismissed and his clearance removed.

I am glad they are not going for the death penalty. That seems to be a good sign that they don't believe they have a good enough case against him.

If it was a civilian jury I think the chat logs would help him a lot. They show someone with a conscience rather than an 'enemy of the state' imo, and someone who was under a lot of stress and struggling with his conscience. I have no idea how a military court works. I think the defense asked for the recusal of the judge but don't know on what basis.

When will we know how many of the charges will be dropped? Will there be more pre-trial hearings on that?

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Help Bradley Manning by offering words of support in the Washington Post comments section. [View all] go west young man Dec 2011 OP

In what way does this action help him? jberryhill Dec 2011 #1

It's called support. Moral as well as visual for the rest of the world to see. go west young man Dec 2011 #5

Not mocking at all jberryhill Dec 2011 #20

Public support always helps, and informing others of the facts rather than allowing only the Gov.'s sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #6

While I support him because I think the government needs to be more honest, Lunabelle Dec 2011 #2

You mean like Ellsberg? Smarmie Doofus Dec 2011 #3

I don't know who that is but I'll google it to see what I come up with Lunabelle Dec 2011 #4

That's probably true. I wish that like Ellsberg he was being tried in a civilian court. I sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #7

I've been following the Article 32 hearing NavyDem Dec 2011 #8

I know. At first I thought that might be a mistake, not to say he was not very stressed, as he said sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #12

I think it's very possible that when it goes to CM Manning will not be facing all 22 charges. NavyDem Dec 2011 #13

Good point, regarding the whistle blower charge. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #16

The article 32 hearing is the pre-trial, so that portion is over. NavyDem Dec 2011 #18

Thanks, so we'll probably know by January. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #19

Hunh? Don't you mean he "allegedly chose to break the law"? - n/t coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #9

No, I'm not the government so I dont have to say allegedly.n/t Lunabelle Dec 2011 #14

The thing is, it's not really law and order if the rule of law only applies EFerrari Dec 2011 #10

Hello! Have you read Greenwald's new book? Luminous Animal Dec 2011 #11

I haven't read it but his FAIR speech was outstanding. EFerrari Dec 2011 #24

Just because Bush/Cheney and other rich fucks get away with crap because they have power we don't Lunabelle Dec 2011 #15

Bush was a CIC, so not just another rich person in this case. sabrina 1 Dec 2011 #17

Maybe so but the double standard and obvious injustice exists. go west young man Dec 2011 #22

No one is arguing that no one should ever be prosecuted for crimes. EFerrari Dec 2011 #23

K&R (nt) T S Justly Dec 2011 #21

Remember Nuremburg? dougolat Dec 2011 #25