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In reply to the discussion: Hillary, DLC/Third Way, Neocons, PNAC, Etc. [View all]Exultant Democracy
(6,594 posts)87. None of this is defaming anyone, it is just the facts, and they are imporatant.
The Clinton's are the very definition of third way democrat and they were the leaders of the DLC. When I'm in a NYC board room the Clinton supporters are proud of that fact. It is only here in DU that people try to run from the real Clinton legacy.
They are not progressive, and never tried to be. They are center of the road DLC third way democrats. They have written papers on the virtues of triangulation in politics.
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Yeah, don't let all those direct quotes and links fool ya! Which fact do you claim is erroneous?
merrily
Feb 2015
#2
You have a subjective view of errors and there is a heading in my OP in bold and underlined,
merrily
Feb 2015
#124
Thanks. If the poster had a real response or refutation, he or she would probably have posted it?
merrily
Feb 2015
#14
IMO, she's obviously been the anointee since 2012, if not earlier. I've never seen anything like it
merrily
Feb 2015
#117
Because you reponded to someone who referred to the OP as "Hillary truther" by saying
cui bono
Feb 2015
#107
Of course, you totally do know what you were implying. And you also know it's bs.
merrily
Feb 2015
#412
And you have the gall to claim MY posts are substance free personal insults? Project much?
merrily
Feb 2015
#423
Nail joshcryer on one thing and he'll change the subject. Again and again. Bet on it.
merrily
Feb 2015
#445
You're either calling her a right winger or saying she doesn't know anything.
cui bono
Feb 2015
#474
Which part are you disputing? Hillary is NOT a Third Way candidate? The Third Way doesn't exist?
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#205
Are you claiming that HRC isn't aligned with the DLC/Third Way? Or is name calling all
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#228
You may be right that HRC will be the next president. The common folks will have a hard time
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#238
To claim that Hillary isn't a corporatist and supports American workers is what is "trutherism"...
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#248
You nailed that lyin corporatist again. We need to keep exposing Hillary. Go Bernie!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2015
#459
"Naive"?? I would welcome your attempts to justify or rationalize HRC promotion of the IWar.
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#462
So your best rationalization for her selling out her party is that she just wanted to "get it over
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#486
She has the backing of the Oligarchs so she will probably be the next President.
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#489
And there it is. Those with principles are responsible for the hundreds of thousands of
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#499
Which "we" are we talking about, is the we you are identifying with the 1%?
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#252
Most never heard of Third Way. I keep telling this story, so pardon me if you've read it before.
merrily
Feb 2015
#427
I thought only the Republican Party did the "whose turn is it to be POTUS" nonsense.
merrily
Feb 2015
#416
It's her turn 2 line the pockets of the 1%, yes, includin her own. Bernie will Xspose Hillary 4 who she really is-can't wait!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2015
#461
The OP covered both those points. You might try reading something before you post canards. Or not.
merrily
Feb 2015
#413
All the links and direct quotes threw him off. That lot used to fact-free posting.
merrily
Feb 2015
#418
Why is any criticism of Hillary, regardless of how well and painstakingly linked, is viewed as hate?
peacebird
Jul 2015
#528
And remember that Hillary chaired the DLC before she last ran for president. DLC funding is from:
hedda_foil
Feb 2015
#352
Let's also not forget that the Koch Brothers also helped build up the DLC in its earlier days...
cascadiance
Feb 2015
#7
Yep. Right about the time they conceived of the Tea Party, too. (Do we know they stopped donating?)
merrily
Feb 2015
#9
Wow. I did not know that. I bookmarked. Thanks. Nice photo of Hills on "the DLC team" too.
merrily
Feb 2015
#203
Disgusting and low comment about an OP that is full of links, but I won't alert.
merrily
Feb 2015
#18
Another low and disgusting comment. The quotes are copied and pasted. The links are there.
merrily
Feb 2015
#39
Again, if you have refutation of anything in the OP, I'd welcome it, especially if (a) it
merrily
Feb 2015
#79
I've already refuted several things. Pretending I didn't doesn't mean I didn't.
wyldwolf
Feb 2015
#80
LOL. No, you mentioned 3 things per the description in my reply 79 and were wrong on all 3 per my
merrily
Feb 2015
#84
No, for your low down and utterly baseless comparison to a lynch mob. But, you knew that.
merrily
Feb 2015
#52
Disagreeing with Hillary Clinton and pointing out the reasons why are bashing?
davidpdx
Feb 2015
#313
Yes Hillary's current wealth makes her a member of the 1%, which is remarkable since she was broke
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#141
Nice to have a chance to interact with you. I don't think I've done that in a while.
merrily
Feb 2015
#208
As you know, "dead broke" to the 1% does not mean the same as "dead broke" to the
merrily
Feb 2015
#212
I think the Clintons held a benefit. Some brought casseroles, some second hand furniture,
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#227
She's more than viable for the primary because the fix seems to have been in for years, best I can
merrily
Feb 2015
#421
Too bad you think stating facts is smearing. It isn't. You comments about me, however, are smears.
merrily
Feb 2015
#54
What facts? HRC supports don't state any facts. Here's a fact, HRC not only supported
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#234
Yes. Thank you. And founding member of the DLC = more than a Third Way leaning.
merrily
Feb 2015
#128
Yup yup. Hillary's Iraq vote doomed her in '08; will be her undoing in '16.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2015
#178
The thing is that nobody, absolutely nobody who votes alligns with the pit.
hedda_foil
Feb 2015
#360
lmao!!! Yeah, so you used it to imply that merrily is a right winger in that vast conspiracy.
cui bono
Feb 2015
#311
Interesting as well that apparently anyone not as progressive as Bernie Sanders is now a "rightist"
brooklynite
Feb 2015
#26
No but those to the right of Sen Warren are clearly conservative. 30 years ago HRC would have
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#230
The policies Bernie promotes are dead on centrist. He is right where the American people are.
Enthusiast
Feb 2015
#329
I know and I'm fine with his having issues. Not so fine with his attempts to smear me, though, but
merrily
Feb 2015
#58
"a circular argument... refuting the dishonest false portrayals of things" Funny thing about history
wyldwolf
Feb 2015
#132
That circle would start with refutation which you have not accomplished, except that you proved
merrily
Feb 2015
#142
Repetititon does not alter the fact that those points, though immaterial, have been responded to
merrily
Feb 2015
#149
Absolutely not. But, prithee, to what end would I spin something that has nothing to do with
merrily
Feb 2015
#177
No, Josh. His refutations, though immaterial, have been refuted and you don't have any.
merrily
Feb 2015
#136
Seems thuggish, bullying and intentionally disruptive, doesn't it? Especially when Cryer joins in.
merrily
Feb 2015
#424
Yes. I was somewhat shocked at his response to me. I was not expecting a total dick.
ieoeja
Feb 2015
#472
Ah, you are quibbling wholly immaterially over "model" vs. "embodiment" and claiming a deception.
merrily
Feb 2015
#93
Words matter. facts matter. Historical accuracy matters. Errors by omission matter
wyldwolf
Feb 2015
#147
Do words and facts really matter to you? Because I told you that I would change "predecessor"
merrily
Feb 2015
#155
And you pulled that right out of your ear. Untrue and stinks of earwax to boot.
merrily
Feb 2015
#175
The McGovern "disaster" could not possibly have been due to active support of Nixon by
eridani
Feb 2015
#59
Yep, this is one of those times, but not before I thank you for proving my point.
merrily
Feb 2015
#331
Yep. Also Eagleton combined with a short run (RFK assassination), early opposition from Ted
merrily
Feb 2015
#139
hillary is Obama 2 for the most part. if you love obama you will love hillary nt
msongs
Feb 2015
#30
Why debate that? Obama will never run again. Hillary seems as though she might.
merrily
Feb 2015
#50
And if you hate Obama ... you'll spend 8 more years complaining about Hillary on DU.
JoePhilly
Feb 2015
#53
Doubtful that she will win the general so probably much closeer to 8 months than 8 years.
merrily
Feb 2015
#60
As we say goodbye to the middle class. Why don't you guys admit you support the 1%?
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#232
Thanks, Rex. So far, they seem to have error and ugly smears. But, I always hope for substantive
merrily
Feb 2015
#62
Leopard can't change it's spots, no matter how many corps they dissolve. HRH still 3rd way / DLC
on point
Feb 2015
#43
The flag burning amendment is usually red meat (R)'s throw to their base, so I agree.
merrily
Feb 2015
#66
All the blathering from the Left is not going to matter one iota in Hillary's decision to run.
Beacool
Feb 2015
#65
My OP was full of quotes and links. And the right has proven its "blathering" skills often.
merrily
Feb 2015
#71
Speaking of bull, I never said, and never would say, that all Hillary supporters are PUMAs.
merrily
Feb 2015
#428
No clue. I think a lot of the so-called PUMAs were Republicans to begin with, but I als know some
merrily
Feb 2015
#341
"I cringe to think what would happen to the country if the Republicans get to control Congress AND
LondonReign2
Feb 2015
#73
Speaking of bullcrap, if you imagined you saw it in my OP, you probably should
merrily
Feb 2015
#429
Another straw man. No one said she has no right to run in the primary, not the OP, not a single post
merrily
Feb 2015
#430
A lot of Anti-Hillary people on DU these days. They'd rather have a Republican win
BlueCaliDem
Feb 2015
#473
The fact that so many here equate a Hillary presidency to that of a Republican one
Beacool
Feb 2015
#480
It would require an enormous suspension of disbelief! I know that anyone who is to the right of
BlueCaliDem
Feb 2015
#483
Except it was 2008 and there was audio and video of all the events that got to me.
merrily
Feb 2015
#321
There is no denying they did the race baiting, it was wrong and it didnt help them, it hurt them.
randys1
Feb 2015
#209
No, you don't have to believe that. And, it's pretty unlikely that she is going to make any
merrily
Feb 2015
#363
Odd you choose to spend so much time on defaming and not promoting your candidate.
great white snark
Feb 2015
#82
None of this is defaming anyone, it is just the facts, and they are imporatant.
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#87
Facts are not defamation-but your claim I defamed might well be. And she is nobody's candidate yet,
merrily
Feb 2015
#103
The Clintons have given speachs about the virtures of third way politics. It is a dirty word
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#83
For distinction, are true progressives supposed to adopt a new label/term? Hope not.
appalachiablue
Feb 2015
#85
Posting is not campaigning, but campaigning against several Democrats is exactly what should happen
merrily
Feb 2015
#204
Again, that comment applies to the general, not the primary, let alone the pre-primary.
merrily
Feb 2015
#226
You know, I think you've just nailed it on the hallowed cause of "electability."
hedda_foil
Feb 2015
#356
Dimson's administration and war may have done more to elect Democrats in 2006 and 2008
merrily
Feb 2015
#369
Great Source. Yeah, Ross Perot hailed Clinton as proof DLCers could win elections, too.
merrily
Feb 2015
#185
There are Democrats, and there are progressives. Hillary is not a progressive Democrat.
leveymg
Feb 2015
#104
I don't know about that. As the OP states, the term "progressive" is not necessarily a synonym of
merrily
Feb 2015
#114
To further complicate things, there are "liberal internationalists" and "humanitarian interventions"
leveymg
Feb 2015
#120
DU's right often quacks like Republican ducks, but never mind that. Define "progressive."
merrily
Feb 2015
#200
And anyone who posts like you do and denies being a 'progressive' lives in a fairy tale.
wyldwolf
Feb 2015
#257
So, no definition? Anyone who pretends the definition of "progressive" is self evident lives in a
merrily
Feb 2015
#259
No more centrists, no more Clinton/Bush....progressive candidates please. nt
mother earth
Feb 2015
#154
i would like to see you spend as much time on the positive aspects of the Democratic party as what
Thinkingabout
Feb 2015
#183
I fucking love the Democratic Party, which is exactly why I reject DLC/Third Way.
merrily
Feb 2015
#192
Hillary's family may have been upper middle class, she and Bill was not in the upper middle
Thinkingabout
Feb 2015
#375
Attorneys are considered professional class, not "working class" And two attorneys working, even
merrily
Feb 2015
#433
How does attorneys get paid, by having clients, if you do not have a client base then you do not get
Thinkingabout
Feb 2015
#468
Thank you. The calculation of how much the world's 1% profited from repeal of Glass Steagall is
merrily
Feb 2015
#199
You didn't read the OP very well, if at all. It addressed dissolution of the DLC very early on.
merrily
Feb 2015
#214
The DLC/Third Way/New Democrats are working to help the corporations steal the wealth from the
rhett o rick
Feb 2015
#237
LOL. You think it is ideological rigid to say that the Democratic Party should
LondonReign2
Feb 2015
#385
Those advocating continuing to move the Democratic Oarty to the right to be
LondonReign2
Feb 2015
#390
Why would I keep an open mind about those advocating that the Democratic Party
LondonReign2
Feb 2015
#396
Again, there was no demonization. She is associated with the DLC/Third Way. It's a fact.
merrily
Feb 2015
#267
No, I simply keep trying to hold you to what you posted. And again, you are flinging accusations
merrily
Feb 2015
#289
"A true progressive is not threatened by other people's ideas." Another absurd statment
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#384
Your blanket statement married to a true Scotsman fallacy make it absurd,
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#409
Once again not an insult, just a factual note on style and rhetoric.
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#485
Acorn was assasinated, the DLC metastasized.You stament is either stupid, misleading
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#383
You compared ACORN to the DLC, there is no arguing logically with that type of nonsense.
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#408
You seem not to understand I know what you are tyring to do, your just wrong in every way.
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#493
Pot. Kettle. You insulted me mindlessly again and again and never made any argument at all,
merrily
Feb 2015
#434
No you didn't. You just kept accusing me of having demonized Hillary, which was pure 100 proof bs.
merrily
Feb 2015
#450
You my friend, have the patience of a saint. I don't know how you do it. There's not
Guy Whitey Corngood
Feb 2015
#497
Right back at 'cha. Not to take anything away from Skittles and risk her wrath. But
Guy Whitey Corngood
Feb 2015
#506
You prove my point. Your ideological blinder keep you from being open minded
LondonReign2
Feb 2015
#478
Bottom line is ...too many Dems are way too willing to suck up to the 1% oligarchy to win.
L0oniX
Feb 2015
#231
Why is it we need Hillary so badly? Yeah, she's had some experience, but where does her loyalty lie?
YOHABLO
Feb 2015
#236
aw, thank you so much! And, yes, we need a number of ideological alternatives in a primary.
merrily
Feb 2015
#324
I agree as to the fiscal policies. The goal seems to me to have been to get us to focus on social
merrily
Feb 2015
#320
The DLC has made a class war out of this society since its inception in the mid-eighties
mrdmk
Feb 2015
#309
Two political parties picking over bones of the middle class and below. They are never satisfied...
whereisjustice
Feb 2015
#344
The words of a DLC founder. Get corporate money then won't need the people.
madfloridian
Feb 2015
#378
Thanks. Unions were huge for my parents when I was growing up and that seems to have gotten them
merrily
Feb 2015
#410