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90-percent

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85. How come nobody mentioned the concept of rehabilitation?
Mon Feb 9, 2015, 10:51 PM
Feb 2015

We've got a prison industrial complex and the most incarcerated population on the planet, far exceeding any totalitarian fascist police state currently in existence.

We seem to be really enthusiastic as a nation about mass incarceration and getting tough on crime because we're all so afraid of everything. Which has been proven not to work and in toto is medieval in it's cruelty and harm to human lives.

I recall from my 70's high school and college education, I think it was sociology or philosophy or social problems, that there was a time in America where prisons made an effort to rehabilitate people, that is, make them capable of being a productive member of society. And even if no rehabilitation, isn't time served enough punishment, instead of being persecuted and a second class citizen with less rights than the rest of us for the rest of his life?

I think that Scott exercised some very bad judgment and underage children are off limits absolutely, but, he did his time and he's gotten therapy and I hope he's got good tools to cope with his demons. And he really knew his stuff about Iraq before the 2003 invasion and I had lot of respect for his information.

An analogy, on I think the Elizabeth Warren Facebook page, Ted Nugent came up. I know what a creepy conservative the guy is, threatening to kill the President multiple times and all, but I mentioned I really like Ted's guitar solo from Journey to the Center of Your Mind from around 1967. People were offended that I could like the music created by such a monster. Well, I have about three decades of really liking that song before I found out what a creep he is. And I think I found out in the 90's. Some rock mags covered his appetite for underage girls and other sleazy stuff he did. married a few 17 years olds i think and a serial monogamist. Can't I know Ted's a loathsome person but still like that guitar solo?

And because the arrests happened after he was so vocal about no WMD's, it was a great opportunity for our government to practice some SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT on his ass. I mean, we've got mountains of laws. If our government chooses to ruin our lives, they could do it for most of us. But, for some of us, they would have to manufacture evidence or engage in some form of entrapment. I can imagine something of the sort happening to me. They'd find out what bar i like, make friends with me, and the get me in on some criminal easy money conspiracy? I'm scared to death about any encounter with our justice system, so I'd resist the temptation, I HOPE.

I don't know, did Scott ever have an encounter online with a real underage girl?

I've seen so many journalists and public figures attacked on DU, and it's ramped up noticeably in recent times. Chris Hedges, a lot of Glenn Greenwald, Robert Parry, Will Pitt, Noam Chomsky, Bill Maher, and many others that don't come to mind. So, is there a "Approved by DU" list of journalists and public figures where the consensus is that their information is unimpeachable and perfect always? Would Thom Hartmann possibly be one all of DU agrees is largely credible? Actually, there's DU posters I would also put in that category. Octa-fish, for one of many. He's a bona-fide BFEE ombudsman!


-90% Jimmy

Nice to hear from Scott again! 90-percent Feb 2015 #1
Scott was just released from jail for his fourth sex offense conviction.... msanthrope Feb 2015 #2
More importantly, Scott was a conduit for Ahmed Chalabi's disinformation about Iraq WMDs. leveymg Feb 2015 #53
Well, looks like Ritter had his hands in many dirty pies before he "turned." msanthrope Feb 2015 #62
I wouldn't include all the intelligence analysts on that list. leveymg Feb 2015 #63
Scott Ritter is currently in outpatient sex offender therapy, per his parole. msanthrope Feb 2015 #3
What if the government set him up? Octafish Feb 2015 #4
Four damn times? Twice before he ever spoke up about WMDs? Did they msanthrope Feb 2015 #5
Yeah, but...but...I got nothin'. randome Feb 2015 #7
Your jury results Ruby the Liberal Feb 2015 #23
Wow. That's...that's...I got nothin'. randome Feb 2015 #46
Where were the FEDs when one of their own was using the Internet to troll for minors? Octafish Feb 2015 #10
typical. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #11
Typical what, ignorance? Octafish Feb 2015 #15
did you know that hasnt a fucking thing to do with Ritter? Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #17
What's McCarthyesque are your smears, Dreamer Tatum. Octafish Feb 2015 #21
Sorry, but when you try to CT away things that are inconvenient to your narrative Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #26
So, when you don't have anything to rebut with, your M.O. is to attack the messenger. Octafish Feb 2015 #29
No, you're a little more artful than that. You attack the messenger's source and rebut with nonsense Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #32
You sound mad -- angry, not crazy -- Dreamer Tatum. Octafish Feb 2015 #51
Thanks for speaking up and setting the record straight. FarPoint Feb 2015 #84
The review was completed at Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:05 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #24
Dear Juror #1 Octafish Feb 2015 #55
+1...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #86
And this exonerates Ritter, how? Did someone use a time machine to go msanthrope Feb 2015 #12
It's not meant to exonerate anyone. It shows how corrupt the government is. Octafish Feb 2015 #14
Actually you do know he's a predator. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #18
Link? Or is it one of those things, "Take my word on it." Octafish Feb 2015 #22
It's a condition of parole, Octa. You admit to your crime. It's also a condition of being in an msanthrope Feb 2015 #41
How do you know "they" didn't MAKE him say that? hughee99 Feb 2015 #43
results Go Vols Feb 2015 #57
I have no opinion about Ritter's actions, but i do know something about Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #50
If I thought Ritter were actually innocent, I'd be concerned. But I tend to think msanthrope Feb 2015 #65
I'm concerned about the process, not about Ritter. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #67
Oh--I am not disagreeing with your second paragraph.....just questioning the efficacy of using msanthrope Feb 2015 #69
In tactical terms, you're right, I'm sure. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #71
Except there is no message from Ritter. randome Feb 2015 #73
Yes they are Jim Beard Feb 2015 #77
Are you saying there is a good image of them that we're simply overlooking? randome Feb 2015 #78
Even if its just as evil people? Jim Beard Feb 2015 #83
Totally agree with you. Back when, when we were desperate for voices against UTUSN Feb 2015 #8
Well..I maintain that a man more interested in the cause than himself might msanthrope Feb 2015 #9
Yip, it opens up a rational trail of speculation: UTUSN Feb 2015 #13
Hubris--there's an endless supply of it. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #45
In that regard, it parallels stupidity. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #68
He's probably a fit source for commentary on the Middle East. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #20
Maybe. And David Duke may have a really great blueberry pie recipe. Thing is, there's msanthrope Feb 2015 #47
That does not wipe his brain of info about the Middle East n/t eridani Feb 2015 #88
You find an ME expert who isn't a sex offender? Can't you see the problem here? nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #89
And Ritter is now an expert on ISIS because...:shrug:? randome Feb 2015 #6
He had time to study up on it while in the slammer! greatauntoftriplets Feb 2015 #19
more expert than you, i'd guess. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #35
Well, ISIS didn't exist back then but sure, he may be privy to information I would not. randome Feb 2015 #48
k/r marmar Feb 2015 #16
Character assassination of a convicted sex offender? tabasco Feb 2015 #27
Fine. What does it have to do with ISIS? marmar Feb 2015 #28
You're the one that brought up the issue of Ritter's character tabasco Feb 2015 #31
So in other words, you don't have an answer. marmar Feb 2015 #34
Actually, it seems you do not, so allow me to assist: tabasco Feb 2015 #72
Just horrible what he was tricked into...oops..I mean what he did. elias49 Feb 2015 #30
... Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #33
Who tried what with Assange? nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #40
... SidDithers Feb 2015 #87
He is so right on this. Autumn Feb 2015 #25
There are many experts on the subject that I can turn to. trumad Feb 2015 #36
Another expert. JEB Feb 2015 #38
Because the government never sets anybody up. Octafish Feb 2015 #52
stop it. trumad Feb 2015 #54
For pointing out the government lies? Octafish Feb 2015 #56
Just trying to help. trumad Feb 2015 #58
So, guilt by association, rather than what I wrote. Octafish Feb 2015 #59
Meh. Pointless to argue with one who is elias49 Feb 2015 #61
No you didn't do a funny.. trumad Feb 2015 #70
Ritter was right on WMD's and right on this. JEB Feb 2015 #37
so fucking what... trumad Feb 2015 #39
Jeebus--it's like we're so starving for experts on the Middle East we have to go with the msanthrope Feb 2015 #42
More interested in his take on ISIS than his "other activities". JEB Feb 2015 #44
Fuck that sick fuck and his opinion. trumad Feb 2015 #49
As a matter of fact Ritter didn't elias49 Feb 2015 #74
Your right... trumad Feb 2015 #75
I just wanted you to correct your misinformation. elias49 Feb 2015 #76
The only mistake I made was... trumad Feb 2015 #79
Key mistake old chap. nt elias49 Feb 2015 #80
ok... trumad Feb 2015 #81
It is not complicated. Fuck ISIS. Destroy every atom of Lint Head Feb 2015 #60
Scott Ritter right again. elias49 Feb 2015 #64
Why would you compare Snowden to a convicted sex offender? I'm a bit puzzled by your choice of msanthrope Feb 2015 #66
Scott Ritter? bluestateguy Feb 2015 #82
How come nobody mentioned the concept of rehabilitation? 90-percent Feb 2015 #85
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