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Jackpine Radical

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50. I have no opinion about Ritter's actions, but i do know something about
Sun Feb 8, 2015, 01:28 PM
Feb 2015

the justice system as it relates to sex offenders. Note this--"a condition of his parole was admitting his offenses." In other words, if he actually were innocent, the only way to get parole was to admit to offenses he did not commit.

This is not a new thing. In one rather interesting case I reviewed a few years ago, the offender was in sex offender treatment, still locked up for many rears after he had served out the original term of his sentence. One thing I discovered in his records is that, early in his treatment, he was getting "good" polygraph results concerning his disclosure of victims, but over time, as his treatment progressed, his polygraph results got worse & worse, so the staff kept pushing him for more victim disclosures, but even as he was disclosing more victims, his polygraph readings stayed in the Deceptive range. He disclosed over 40 victims. The polygraph started going "bad" when he moved beyond confessing to his original 3 victims.

An informed look at the data from the federal sex offender program at Butner, NC suggests that this is a pretty common event, that offenders are pushed to confess to many more victims than they actually had. Here are some relevant comments from a review by my colleague Dr. Richard Wollert of the situation at Butner:

My colleagues and I criticized the Butner Studies because they included the types of flaws listed in Table 2. One very troubling feature was that the welfare of Hernandez’ “subjects” was dependent on their standing in his program. From interviewing or counseling CPOs who had been at Butner we learned they were fearful of program termination. If this happened they would be moved to the general prisoner population, where they would be harassed as sex offenders. Another problem was that Hernandez could define a sex offense anyway he wanted. He could, for example, count a dating relationship between a college freshman and a high school junior as an offense. It was also impossible to verify the accuracy of reports because CPOs were told not to identify victims and consent forms promised confidentiality. Still another problem that several Butner patients revealed to us was that staff members expected them to disclose new offenses on an ongoing basis. One former patient, for example, spontaneously wrote a letter to me (C.S., personal communication, September 6, 2010) stating that “when I got into the SOTP program I was instructed to count all incidents of sexual contact regardless of my age or the age of my ‘victim’”. Another was required to complete three PHQs within the span of a year. Finally, Butner patients were also expected to pass the full disclosure polygraph that Bourke and Hernandez (2009) described in the “Measures” section of their paper (p. 186). This holds significant implications for a study based on self-report data because a technique that is widely used to pass this exam entails “overestimating the number of possible victims” (Abrams, 1991, p. 259).
We also described how these circumstances interacted with one another to artifactually produce Hernandez’ results. This explanation relied heavily on the fact that subjects in psychological experiments will act the way a researcher wants them to act if they know what the researcher hopes to find. Aspects of the research situation that tip subjects off to these hopes are referred to as “demand characteristics” (Orne, 1962; Fillenbaum, 1966). In the Butner research, it was a simple matter for offenders in treatment to figure out what Hernandez wanted from them. This “demand” was reinforced by polygraph examinations and repeated PHQ administrations accompanied by an awareness that those who were terminated would be placed in the general population. Overdisclosure was also encouraged by the adoption of data collection procedures that made it impossible to verify the accuracy of disclosures.
Nice to hear from Scott again! 90-percent Feb 2015 #1
Scott was just released from jail for his fourth sex offense conviction.... msanthrope Feb 2015 #2
More importantly, Scott was a conduit for Ahmed Chalabi's disinformation about Iraq WMDs. leveymg Feb 2015 #53
Well, looks like Ritter had his hands in many dirty pies before he "turned." msanthrope Feb 2015 #62
I wouldn't include all the intelligence analysts on that list. leveymg Feb 2015 #63
Scott Ritter is currently in outpatient sex offender therapy, per his parole. msanthrope Feb 2015 #3
What if the government set him up? Octafish Feb 2015 #4
Four damn times? Twice before he ever spoke up about WMDs? Did they msanthrope Feb 2015 #5
Yeah, but...but...I got nothin'. randome Feb 2015 #7
Your jury results Ruby the Liberal Feb 2015 #23
Wow. That's...that's...I got nothin'. randome Feb 2015 #46
Where were the FEDs when one of their own was using the Internet to troll for minors? Octafish Feb 2015 #10
typical. nt Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #11
Typical what, ignorance? Octafish Feb 2015 #15
did you know that hasnt a fucking thing to do with Ritter? Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #17
What's McCarthyesque are your smears, Dreamer Tatum. Octafish Feb 2015 #21
Sorry, but when you try to CT away things that are inconvenient to your narrative Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #26
So, when you don't have anything to rebut with, your M.O. is to attack the messenger. Octafish Feb 2015 #29
No, you're a little more artful than that. You attack the messenger's source and rebut with nonsense Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #32
You sound mad -- angry, not crazy -- Dreamer Tatum. Octafish Feb 2015 #51
Thanks for speaking up and setting the record straight. FarPoint Feb 2015 #84
The review was completed at Sun Feb 8, 2015, 11:05 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2015 #24
Dear Juror #1 Octafish Feb 2015 #55
+1...nt SidDithers Feb 2015 #86
And this exonerates Ritter, how? Did someone use a time machine to go msanthrope Feb 2015 #12
It's not meant to exonerate anyone. It shows how corrupt the government is. Octafish Feb 2015 #14
Actually you do know he's a predator. Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #18
Link? Or is it one of those things, "Take my word on it." Octafish Feb 2015 #22
It's a condition of parole, Octa. You admit to your crime. It's also a condition of being in an msanthrope Feb 2015 #41
How do you know "they" didn't MAKE him say that? hughee99 Feb 2015 #43
results Go Vols Feb 2015 #57
I have no opinion about Ritter's actions, but i do know something about Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #50
If I thought Ritter were actually innocent, I'd be concerned. But I tend to think msanthrope Feb 2015 #65
I'm concerned about the process, not about Ritter. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #67
Oh--I am not disagreeing with your second paragraph.....just questioning the efficacy of using msanthrope Feb 2015 #69
In tactical terms, you're right, I'm sure. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #71
Except there is no message from Ritter. randome Feb 2015 #73
Yes they are Jim Beard Feb 2015 #77
Are you saying there is a good image of them that we're simply overlooking? randome Feb 2015 #78
Even if its just as evil people? Jim Beard Feb 2015 #83
Totally agree with you. Back when, when we were desperate for voices against UTUSN Feb 2015 #8
Well..I maintain that a man more interested in the cause than himself might msanthrope Feb 2015 #9
Yip, it opens up a rational trail of speculation: UTUSN Feb 2015 #13
Hubris--there's an endless supply of it. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #45
In that regard, it parallels stupidity. Jackpine Radical Feb 2015 #68
He's probably a fit source for commentary on the Middle East. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #20
Maybe. And David Duke may have a really great blueberry pie recipe. Thing is, there's msanthrope Feb 2015 #47
That does not wipe his brain of info about the Middle East n/t eridani Feb 2015 #88
You find an ME expert who isn't a sex offender? Can't you see the problem here? nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #89
And Ritter is now an expert on ISIS because...:shrug:? randome Feb 2015 #6
He had time to study up on it while in the slammer! greatauntoftriplets Feb 2015 #19
more expert than you, i'd guess. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #35
Well, ISIS didn't exist back then but sure, he may be privy to information I would not. randome Feb 2015 #48
k/r marmar Feb 2015 #16
Character assassination of a convicted sex offender? tabasco Feb 2015 #27
Fine. What does it have to do with ISIS? marmar Feb 2015 #28
You're the one that brought up the issue of Ritter's character tabasco Feb 2015 #31
So in other words, you don't have an answer. marmar Feb 2015 #34
Actually, it seems you do not, so allow me to assist: tabasco Feb 2015 #72
Just horrible what he was tricked into...oops..I mean what he did. elias49 Feb 2015 #30
... Dreamer Tatum Feb 2015 #33
Who tried what with Assange? nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #40
... SidDithers Feb 2015 #87
He is so right on this. Autumn Feb 2015 #25
There are many experts on the subject that I can turn to. trumad Feb 2015 #36
Another expert. JEB Feb 2015 #38
Because the government never sets anybody up. Octafish Feb 2015 #52
stop it. trumad Feb 2015 #54
For pointing out the government lies? Octafish Feb 2015 #56
Just trying to help. trumad Feb 2015 #58
So, guilt by association, rather than what I wrote. Octafish Feb 2015 #59
Meh. Pointless to argue with one who is elias49 Feb 2015 #61
No you didn't do a funny.. trumad Feb 2015 #70
Ritter was right on WMD's and right on this. JEB Feb 2015 #37
so fucking what... trumad Feb 2015 #39
Jeebus--it's like we're so starving for experts on the Middle East we have to go with the msanthrope Feb 2015 #42
More interested in his take on ISIS than his "other activities". JEB Feb 2015 #44
Fuck that sick fuck and his opinion. trumad Feb 2015 #49
As a matter of fact Ritter didn't elias49 Feb 2015 #74
Your right... trumad Feb 2015 #75
I just wanted you to correct your misinformation. elias49 Feb 2015 #76
The only mistake I made was... trumad Feb 2015 #79
Key mistake old chap. nt elias49 Feb 2015 #80
ok... trumad Feb 2015 #81
It is not complicated. Fuck ISIS. Destroy every atom of Lint Head Feb 2015 #60
Scott Ritter right again. elias49 Feb 2015 #64
Why would you compare Snowden to a convicted sex offender? I'm a bit puzzled by your choice of msanthrope Feb 2015 #66
Scott Ritter? bluestateguy Feb 2015 #82
How come nobody mentioned the concept of rehabilitation? 90-percent Feb 2015 #85
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