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30. How does it feel to defend a self-admitted rapist?

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John Pilger: The siege of Julian Assange is a farce. [View all] pa28 Feb 2015 OP

Of course, let's talk about swimsuits instead (nt) anti partisan Feb 2015 #1

They want to make an example out of him zeemike Feb 2015 #2

+10000 Ramses Feb 2015 #7

+1000000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #8

John Pilger is a great journalist. He saw the lies BEFORE we went to Iraq. He witnessed drone sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #10

If you choose to blow the whistle on government corruption you will lose everything. pa28 Feb 2015 #11

Nonsensical Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #3

+1... SidDithers Feb 2015 #4

Ssshhh! You weren't supposed to disclose that. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2015 #5

Thank you. n/t pnwmom Feb 2015 #9

The clearly political and overwhelmingly absurd response is what is nonsensical. Hissyspit Feb 2015 #13

"clearly political response"? Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #14

yeah, this is all about rape. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #15

Yes it is political and you just proved it. zeemike Feb 2015 #17

Sorry, but, you're very wrong Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #20

He was the victim of a honey trap. zeemike Feb 2015 #24

No, he's wanted for arrest and trial. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #32

What is bizarre is those who deny it. zeemike Feb 2015 #35

... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #39

You seem to be heavily invested in this. zeemike Feb 2015 #45

Some people get tired of hearing the same incorrect info mythology Feb 2015 #86

"Byzantine absurdity" is the perfect phrase. randome Feb 2015 #50

Bingo! nt elias49 Feb 2015 #71

Do you have a single credible source for the honey trap allegation? nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #168

+1000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #23

The honey trap is the favorite trap used by the CIA. zeemike Feb 2015 #27

They are swarming now. woo me with science Feb 2015 #33

And I have never been sadder ether. zeemike Feb 2015 #37

Assange never crosses my mind. Puglover Feb 2015 #59

Here are the four actual charges against Assange hack89 Feb 2015 #38

Well you are not going to get it. zeemike Feb 2015 #41

Those are the Swedish charges hack89 Feb 2015 #47

Perhaps my certainty comes from real world experiences zeemike Feb 2015 #53

So you think the victims lied and you are supporting a rapist. hack89 Feb 2015 #58

And so you use emotional blackmail to course people with. zeemike Feb 2015 #69

The victims never recanted - are they liars or CIA plants like some suggest in this thread? hack89 Feb 2015 #74

Well my position is that the emotional charge of rape zeemike Feb 2015 #91

So you are not willing to give the benefit of doubt to potential rape victims hack89 Feb 2015 #92

And you are not willing to give the benefit of the doubt TO the accused. zeemike Feb 2015 #94

Assange walked free for two years in England hack89 Feb 2015 #96

Well we can only speculate on that. zeemike Feb 2015 #100

So only one of the women was a CIA asset? Got it. nt hack89 Feb 2015 #102

Well that is my guess. zeemike Feb 2015 #108

Isn't that why we have trials? To weigh the evidence and truthfulness of people? hack89 Feb 2015 #111

No trials are to weigh the evidence. zeemike Feb 2015 #120

Lets deal with the rape charges first. hack89 Feb 2015 #128

And your doubt bets Assange's life on it. zeemike Feb 2015 #133

Like I said, the status quo is the best option for Obama. hack89 Feb 2015 #136

I always give the benefit of the doubt to rape victims hack89 Feb 2015 #97

Add 'wiki-bias' to your list. randome Feb 2015 #98

And well you should. zeemike Feb 2015 #105

Some actual evidence that one of the women was a CIA asset would be helpful hack89 Feb 2015 #107

And how would we get that evidence? zeemike Feb 2015 #112

The conspiracy theorist mindset in a nutshell hack89 Feb 2015 #113

I knew it would not be long before the CT label was applied. zeemike Feb 2015 #126

The CIA can potentially be blamed for every bad thing that ever happens in the world hack89 Feb 2015 #129

Well it's a secret organization, so we will never know. zeemike Feb 2015 #137

And you can endlessly speculate because it is impossible to prove you wrong hack89 Feb 2015 #138

Well we agree on something. zeemike Feb 2015 #141

The only thing the Brits charged him with is jumping bail. nt hack89 Feb 2015 #49

Sweden doesn't operate under common law. joshcryer Feb 2015 #162

Well then let the Swedish system conclude that treestar Feb 2015 #147

How many other rapists have ever had 10 million pounds spent on Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #104

He skipped bail (£200K) and sought refuge in the Ecuadorean embassy claiming "political persecution" Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #114

'You would expect' Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #116

As far as I'm aware there aren't any other cases of high profile bail absconders hiding in embassies Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #118

So basically, on the basis of 0 other cases ever, we're supposed to just Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #121

Serious question. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #124

Serious answer. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #127

I think that a government is not going to allow a fugitive to escape justice... Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #130

I was wrong, you do get one more reply. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #131

Tsk. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #135

Because any other rapist would not have been granted asylum hack89 Feb 2015 #115

Nope. I'll say what I've suggested all along. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #119

Except Sweden and England have independent judiciaries hack89 Feb 2015 #123

Yes, this is exactly the response Hissyspit Feb 2015 #155

Yep, as a self-admitted rapist, he should face his charges. joshcryer Feb 2015 #25

Wait..wait.. elias49 Feb 2015 #73

The Ecuadorian embassy thought it was so nonsensical they granted political asylum. n/t pa28 Feb 2015 #109

That's the most absurd thing of all, really. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #117

Your point is that repressive governments smear and imprison their whistleblowers? n/t pa28 Feb 2015 #143

My point is that Ecuador is a long way from being a bastion of press freedom. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #145

Technically it was diplomatic asylum not political asylum hack89 Feb 2015 #142

If there's no crime.. then assange should have gotten his **** to Sweden. This is all on him. nm Cha Feb 2015 #167

Thanks for posting; K&R'd. snot Feb 2015 #6

Pilger has written some eloquent pieces on Assange through the years Oilwellian Feb 2015 #12

Ever notice that the same ones who hate Assange are the ones who love every right-wing thing ... Scuba Feb 2015 #18

+100000000 woo me with science Feb 2015 #21

It's not my fault authoritarians defend self-admitted rapists. joshcryer Feb 2015 #28

Is it time to throw Pilger under the bus too? Oilwellian Feb 2015 #81

Pilger is wrong, Assange's own defense admitted rape. joshcryer Feb 2015 #157

I'll take it a step further, Scuba Oilwellian Feb 2015 #83

Well, if you know that the charges against Assange are false... randome Feb 2015 #84

Please seek help Oilwellian Feb 2015 #85

How about for consistency's sake... randome Feb 2015 #87

"Wikileaks is not that important. " Bwahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Scuba Feb 2015 #89

You're talking about DUers treestar Feb 2015 #148

What war? What spying? What banksters? Octafish Feb 2015 #156

Like those three things have anything to do with Julian treestar Feb 2015 #163

It's destroy the messenger in any way possible. pa28 Feb 2015 #101

Julian Assange - the probable rapist it's OK to love... N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2015 #16

It's a rape case where neither of the women involved claim to have been raped. pa28 Feb 2015 #134

Great thread... sendero Feb 2015 #19

Hey! joshcryer Feb 2015 #29

Anyone who has bothered.. sendero Feb 2015 #34

The "supposed victims" want to see Assange extradited and put on trial. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #40

Yes, governments always treat accused men who sneakily don't use condoms in consensual sex this way. merrily Feb 2015 #36

He was charged with a lot more than simply not using a condom. Here are the actual charges. hack89 Feb 2015 #52

Are you asserting that nothing about this is political? That all this is just because of what he is merrily Feb 2015 #55

The zeal of what governments? hack89 Feb 2015 #61

If you think this is average for a man who has been accused of rape, then we disagree. merrily Feb 2015 #62

'Average' men don't jump bail, leaving their friends holding the bag. randome Feb 2015 #63

You agree that the reaction to Assange has not been average, but claim that is because Assange is merrily Feb 2015 #65

I would say the reaction to Assange is in keeping with the situation he is responsible for. randome Feb 2015 #68

I think your post said essentially the same thing that my post said. merrily Feb 2015 #70

The response is...commensurate. randome Feb 2015 #72

The average fugitive would not have been granted asylum in an embassy hack89 Feb 2015 #88

Plus, judicial arms really hate having their noses tweaked (especially in high-profile cases). cemaphonic Feb 2015 #153

Excellent analogy. randome Feb 2015 #154

Countries request extradition of criminal fugitives every day hack89 Feb 2015 #67

On Assange, it seems rape doesn't matter. joshcryer Feb 2015 #158

Would the following scenario be rape? Bonobo Feb 2015 #164

I think so, but it'd be difficult to prosecute. joshcryer Feb 2015 #165

I don't think most people would consider that rape. nt Bonobo Feb 2015 #169

I would. nt msanthrope Feb 2015 #170

Which is why the CDC classifies it differently. joshcryer Feb 2015 #172

It begs a few questions for me... Bonobo Feb 2015 #173

It gets uncomfortable to discuss, I think. joshcryer Feb 2015 #174

My sympathy is with the Ecuadorian embassy staff. Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #22

K&R A deeply important piece, as the immediate defensive swarm by the propaganda brigade shows... woo me with science Feb 2015 #26

How does it feel to defend a self-admitted rapist? joshcryer Feb 2015 #30

I wouldn't know, josh. woo me with science Feb 2015 #31

What propaganda? joshcryer Feb 2015 #159

Jury results: 5-2 to keep stevenleser Feb 2015 #90

+1 840high Feb 2015 #103

The point is distraction. They want to smear Assange and they hope you don't read the article. n/t pa28 Feb 2015 #106

The Assange haters, the Snowden and Greenwald haters, delrem Feb 2015 #42

You forgot Pilger. polly7 Feb 2015 #43

Indeed. The agenda is transparent. woo me with science Feb 2015 #46

You mean like your inevitable appearance in threads like this? randome Feb 2015 #51

Or yours? delrem Feb 2015 #56

I wasn't the one accusing others of having an agenda. randome Feb 2015 #60

Wow! You're wicked smart! elias49 Feb 2015 #75

That's the same thing I keep saying! randome Feb 2015 #76

So you're ridiculous.Not my fault. elias49 Feb 2015 #77

But under the Heisenberg Uncertainty theory... randome Feb 2015 #80

You're not only SMART elias49 Feb 2015 #82

I thnk you are unfairly characterizing DUers such as BainsBane. Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #48

I don't agree. delrem Feb 2015 #54

A wanted individual can commit other crimes. In fact, they frequently commit more. randome Feb 2015 #57

Well said. pa28 Feb 2015 #99

and then lecture us about how we're bad Democrats and they're the only ones keeping MisterP Feb 2015 #139

There are people who don't agree with you on DU? treestar Feb 2015 #149

It's actually rather simple. joshcryer Feb 2015 #161

And they regularly showed up in Occupy threads to trash it dreamnightwind Feb 2015 #166

There are still Occupy threads? Where? Where? randome Feb 2015 #171

Oh, the cost is a central issue now, huh? randome Feb 2015 #44

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2015 #64

... SidDithers Feb 2015 #66

There it is... giftedgirl77 Feb 2015 #79

Thus making him a self-admitted rapist. joshcryer Feb 2015 #160

Kick & Rec elias49 Feb 2015 #78

Which he created himself treestar Feb 2015 #93

Exactly. great white snark Feb 2015 #132

Curious thing: OilemFirchen Feb 2015 #95

You expect everyone to wear their hearts on their sleeves as it were? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2015 #110

Another show of ignorance, I'm afraid. Spider Jerusalem Feb 2015 #122

Why would the same people trust such promises? treestar Feb 2015 #150

You might appreciate this song about him Tom Rinaldo Feb 2015 #125

"The man they tried to smear." pa28 Feb 2015 #146

In the end, none of this will matter. We all know how this will turn out. randome Feb 2015 #140

Kick for exposing the depth of corruption we face: woo me with science Feb 2015 #144

DURec for Assange & Wikileaks! bvar22 Feb 2015 #151

I think what Assange truly fears is irrelevance. cemaphonic Feb 2015 #152

k & fucking r! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2015 #175

Erm. pa28 Mar 2015 #176