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Maedhros

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Tue Jan 13, 2015, 03:01 PM Jan 2015

Clearing up misconceptions regarding Anwar al-Awlaki [View all]

The Yemeni-American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki was killed on September 30, 2011 by a missile fired from an unmanned drone. Two weeks later al-Awlaki's 16-year-old son was killed in a similar strike. Both were carried out by the CIA and authorized by secret orders signed by President Obama.

Critics of the al-Awlaki executions assert that they represent a serious Constitutional crisis - namely, that the President of the United States has claimed and used the power to execute U.S. citizens deemed to be enemies of the state based solely upon the President's discretion and without due process of law required by the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

Proponents maintain than Anwar al-Awlaki was an "operational leader" of AQAP who directed terrorist attacks against the United States and that his death represented a war casualty.

Jeremy Scahill is an investigative journalist who has spent the last decade reporting from Yemen and the Arabian Peninsula. One would be hard-pressed to find someone more knowledgeable of the politics and recent history of the region. Scahill published an article on The Intercept discussing the possible links between the Charlie Hebdo attackers and AQAP. In the article, he takes on the widespread misinformation regarding Anwar al-Awlaki that has been promulgated by U.S. intelligence service propaganda and their partners in the media:

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/01/12/the-paris-mystery/

Whatever potential relationship Awlaki had to the Kouachi brothers, the media coverage of Awlaki’s history has been riddled with inaccuracies, exaggerations of his role within AQAP and passing of anonymous US government pronouncements as facts. There is no doubt that Anwar Awlaki very publicly called on Muslims in Western countries to conduct attacks in the U.S. and Europe or to travel to Yemen, Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere to fight jihad. Awlaki very publicly called for the assassination of cartoonists and others who he saw as disgracing the Prophet Mohammed. But Awlaki was never the “leader” of AQAP, and the title bestowed on him by President Obama in announcing Awlaki’s death — head of external operations — was created by the U.S., not AQAP. In fact, when the actual leader of AQAP, Nasir al Wuhayshi, wrote to Osama bin Laden in 2010, asking for his blessing to put Awlaki in charge of the group, Bin Laden shot it down.

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None of this is to say that Awlaki was not involved with direct plotting of acts of terrorism, but that there has been no actual evidence produced to support the claim. Awlaki’s assassination was ordered by President Obama despite the fact that Awlaki was not officially indicted by the U.S. on any charges of terrorism. His case was litigated by anonymous US officials in the media and his death warrant signed in secret by the U.S. president.

It is often asserted as fact that Awlaki directed or encouraged U.S. Army Maj. Nidal Hasan to carry out the massacre at Fort Hood, Texas in November 2009. But the actual evidence to support this does not exist. Awlaki did indeed email with Hassan, but those emails read like Hassan was a fanboy and Awlaki was politely dismissing him. Awlaki did, after the fact, praise Hasan’s actions, but he denied any claim of direct involvement. It would be uncharacteristic of Awlaki — given his public calls for such actions — to deny a role he would have been proud of playing.

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Terrorism analysts and journalists often mention that Awlaki had contact with three of the 9/11 hijackers and, at times, imply he had foreknowledge of the plot. Awlaki was the imam at two large mosques, one in San Diego and later at one in Falls Church, Virginia. Three of the men, at various points did indeed attend those mosques, but the 9/11 Commission asserted that the future hijackers “respected Awlaki as a religious figure and developed a close relationship with him” but added that “the evidence is thin as to specific motivations.” What is seldom mentioned is that soon after 9/11, on February 5, 2002, Awlaki also met with Pentagon employees inside the Department of Defense when he was officially invited to lecture at the DoD. After being vetted for security, Awlaki “was invited to and attended a luncheon at the Pentagon in the secretary of the Army’s Office of Government Counsel.”

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Awlaki is also frequently mentioned as the mastermind of the 2009 underwear bomb plot. But, again, this is far from a proven fact. Awlaki’s role in the “underwear plot” was unclear. After the failed bombing, Awlaki claimed that Abdulmutallab was one of his “students.” Tribal sources in Shabwah province told me that al Qaeda operatives reached out to Awlaki to give religious counseling to Abdulmutallab, but that Awlaki was not involved in the plot. While praising the attack, Awlaki said he had not been involved with its conception or planning. “Yes, there was some contact between me and him, but I did not issue a fatwa allowing him to carry out this operation,” Awlaki told Yemeni journalist Abdulelah Haider Shaye in an interview for Al Jazeera a few weeks after the attempted attack: “I support what Umar Farouk has done after I have been seeing my brothers being killed in Palestine for more than sixty years, and others being killed in Iraq and in Afghanistan. And in my tribe too, U.S. missiles have killed” women and “children, so do not ask me if al-Qaeda has killed or blown up a U.S. civil[ian] jet after all this. The 300 Americans are nothing comparing to the thousands of Muslims who have been killed.”

. . .

The U.S. government continues to maintain that Awlaki personally directed the Christmas Day bomb plot. Its source for that is an alleged confession given to investigators by Abdulmutallab immediately after he was apprehended. But that confession has serious problems. Marcy Wheeler, an independent journalist who has scrutinized this case more extensively than any other journalist, has written several analyses of this case. “Abdulmutallab gave 3 ‘confessions,’” Wheeler told me. “The first on December 25, 2009, after he was captured. In that he attributed all his direction to ‘Abu Tarak,’ which [the] DOJ would later claim was just a pseudonym for Awlaki, which is impossible.” In Yemen, I asked many sources close to Awlaki if they had ever heard this nickname used or given to Awlaki. None had.

The second confession started on January 29, 2010 with the High Value detainee Intelligence Group established by President Obama in late 2009. Abdulmutallab’s lawyer claimed the HIG interrogated his client after he had been held in solitary confinement. “Within days, he implicated Awlaki in everything, including making a martyrdom video with AQ’s greatest English propagandist in Arabic, and final instructions,” Wheeler adds. “The prosecution willingly agreed not to rely on this confession after the defense said it had been made in conjunction with plea discussions.”

The final confession, Wheeler says, was on October 12, 2011. Abdulmutallab publicly plead guilty to conspiracy and other charges. No one else, including U.S. citizen Awlaki was charged in the alleged conspiracy. “In that plea, Abdulmutallab attributed earlier propaganda from Awlaki as an inspiration, but Abdulmutallab did not implicate Awlaki or anyone else as his co-conspirators,” says Wheeler. “In other words, Abdulmutallab confessed three times. In only one of those confessions did he implicate Awlaki, and that confession was the only one not presented at ‘trial.’” Instead it was used in Abdulmutallab’s sentencing.


Anwar al-Awlaki almost certainly made egregious anti-American statements, going so far as to praise terrorists for attacking U.S. targets. Even if this isn't protected speech as per Brandenburg v. Ohio (http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/395/444), the central tenet of American justice - that one is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law - still applies. All of the "evidence" against al-Awlaki comes from anonymous CIA sources, and has been shown to be of dubious veracity. Further, al-Awlaki was not given an opportunity to view the evidence against him and the evidence was not subjected to cross examination in court. The result is that the myth of al-Awlaki's guilt has been allowed to propagate without challenge.

To claim the power to execute citizens without due process of law, based entirely upon a political leader's command, is the defining feature of a dictatorship. If we are going to accept this behavior as the legitimate action of a President, then what exactly are we justified in not accepting?

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Oh Lord. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #1
Nailed it in one! Number23 Jan 2015 #122
Hi My Dear, and Happy New Year to you as well. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #123
Military Industrial Complex alive and well. Wellstone ruled Jan 2015 #2
Ah Jeez MohRokTah Jan 2015 #3
Thanks for the link to this OP, I didn't see it earlier.. 2banon Jan 2015 #4
I keep asking this question, but I don't get any answers. Maedhros Jan 2015 #5
"we murdered bin laden once he was in our custody" geek tragedy Jan 2015 #6
When was Bin Laden "in our custody" when we "murdered" him? zappaman Jan 2015 #9
I wonder if their source is as reliable as the multitude geek tragedy Jan 2015 #11
When was Bin Laden ever in our custody? GGJohn Jan 2015 #15
Where do you get the whole... NaturalHigh Jan 2015 #19
You're right - that was phrased incorrectly. Maedhros Jan 2015 #33
You still describe it as 'murder' geek tragedy Jan 2015 #44
Tinfoil? Oklahoma_Liberal Jan 2015 #28
An aside... Boreal Jan 2015 #37
Which dopey story? The official story changed multiple times. Maedhros Jan 2015 #41
The killing of Bin Laden story Boreal Jan 2015 #42
As I said, the official story changed multiple times. Maedhros Jan 2015 #49
I think the ones who knew the truth Boreal Jan 2015 #53
I restrict my analysis to what was reported by military and intelligence officials. Maedhros Jan 2015 #56
Lol! zappaman Jan 2015 #63
Lol! Boreal Jan 2015 #65
You forgot to mention Tim Osman! (nt) TacoD Jan 2015 #80
I've written at least two OPs documenting this.....why would you think the Bush msanthrope Jan 2015 #85
wow. interesting. who invited him and to lecture about what? and then after being our ND-Dem Jan 2015 #99
It is blind faith the government is making the right calls when JonLP24 Jan 2015 #7
Interestingly, all these concerns were held with high regard when dumbya/cheney was in office.. 2banon Jan 2015 #13
We are three decades away from CIA/Ricky Ross/Contras, murder of Nicholas Deak JonLP24 Jan 2015 #18
make that 3 decades.. :) 2banon Jan 2015 #20
Really? So now we've descended to whitewashing Anwar al-Awlaki? Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #8
Same people who claim that there is no evidence geek tragedy Jan 2015 #10
Does it matter to you if he was? JonLP24 Jan 2015 #23
After custody is murder. geek tragedy Jan 2015 #39
Where I'm going with this ist a JonLP24 Jan 2015 #47
The law does matter. Same reason that shooting soldiers on the battlefield is okay geek tragedy Jan 2015 #55
apparently, you haven't quite understood the point of this story.. better have another listen/read. 2banon Jan 2015 #21
How about reliable and accurate information no matter what it says? JonLP24 Jan 2015 #22
Well, even Scahill admits Anwar al-Awlaki Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #50
Out of everyone here that took an opposing view JonLP24 Jan 2015 #58
Where were charges filed against Awlaki, which court, what was the evidence presented? sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #113
And the last I checked, when you join forces Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #114
I asked you some questions, I noticed you avoided answering them. sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #116
The ironic part of this whole discussion is Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #115
And on what is tht 'concession' based? Where are the charges? Why is that such a difficult question sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #118
Its threads like these Dwayne Hicks Jan 2015 #12
Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #16
When people claim that bin laden was "murdered" geek tragedy Jan 2015 #17
I'm a "truth sympathizer" JonLP24 Jan 2015 #24
Keep seeking it... Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #57
and it doesn't appear that is being claimed otherwise in the OP JonLP24 Jan 2015 #59
Yeah? Well just remember how many of us disagreed with the OP and those attempting to support them. stevenleser Jan 2015 #29
More worried about what the right wing thinks than making sure the facts are correct JonLP24 Jan 2015 #36
No, that is your strawman. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #38
OK, why exactly? JonLP24 Jan 2015 #48
People like Scahill and Greenwald intentionally omit stuff like this: geek tragedy Jan 2015 #61
How do you know it was intentional? JonLP24 Jan 2015 #62
The alternative is that he is an amazingly incompetent researcher geek tragedy Jan 2015 #64
Well, I wouldn't know if it would reasonably slip past him based on the available information is out JonLP24 Jan 2015 #66
I've said in the past the real problem with al awlaki is that there is no limit on what geek tragedy Jan 2015 #70
I guess we are in agreement JonLP24 Jan 2015 #71
they are conspiracy theorists . not liberal or progressive JI7 Jan 2015 #35
Is it a conspiracy theory from factual information JonLP24 Jan 2015 #40
Exactly, Dwayne Hicks. Not in my name. Cha Jan 2015 #45
Do you have any proof that the person posting this thread is actually liberal? Renew Deal Jan 2015 #46
This must be "opposite day" for your posting... MrMickeysMom Jan 2015 #68
... SidDithers Jan 2015 #14
Yep, pathetic. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #27
My sentiments exactly. eom GGJohn Jan 2015 #30
When time permits, the police should get a warrant. Vattel Jan 2015 #25
Bush redefined "imminent threat" when he justified invading Iraq in 2003. Maedhros Jan 2015 #34
+100. like a number of things the democrats have accepted from republicans. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #100
There is no misconception no matter how many times you try to tell us that there is one. stevenleser Jan 2015 #26
Terrible thing to kill him HERVEPA Jan 2015 #31
Damn I feel bad for people who will twist themselves into... JaneyVee Jan 2015 #32
I'm glad someone stood up to defend the admitted terrorist. Renew Deal Jan 2015 #43
al-Awlaki did not admit to being a terrorist. Maedhros Jan 2015 #52
He admitted it by his actions Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #54
Sticklers are gonna stick. nt Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #69
standing up for the rule of law is a losing battle around here if you're perceived as sticking ND-Dem Jan 2015 #101
Oh, I know - look at some of the posts elsewhere in this thread attacking my character Maedhros Jan 2015 #106
i hear ya. ND-Dem Jan 2015 #117
Imma let you finish...... msanthrope Jan 2015 #51
FWIW, at least three Americans fighting for ISIS have been killed... Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #60
+10^10^100, this should be its own OP. Greenwald's bullshit needs more exposure. nt stevenleser Jan 2015 #72
You have it exactly correct....this is an embarrassment to GG. So Awlaki is being msanthrope Jan 2015 #75
+1. You win this hilarious thread! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2015 #124
One of this President's greatest accomplishments. Ykcutnek Jan 2015 #67
And by the way, you bolded the wrong part stevenleser Jan 2015 #73
More info: Blue_Tires Jan 2015 #74
Conspiracy theories lives in the hearts and minds of those prone to believing them. Thinkingabout Jan 2015 #76
Isn't it ironic that al-Awlaki was imam at a Falls Church, VA elias49 Jan 2015 #77
Nothing ironic about it.....he also hosted 4 9/11 hijackers at his mosques. He was an operative, msanthrope Jan 2015 #78
Amazing gusto for killing on the part of many! Octafish Jan 2015 #79
I'm shocked and appalled at the number of people on this site - ostensibly Liberals - Maedhros Jan 2015 #81
Does Uncle Sam Have a God Complex? Octafish Jan 2015 #87
I'm amazed how much energy some of you devote to defending guys like this BainsBane Jan 2015 #90
I'm not defending al-Awlaki, I'm defending the rule of law, due process and habeus corpus. Maedhros Jan 2015 #93
Yeah, I've been busy trying to dislodge Islamophobia BainsBane Jan 2015 #94
How do you propose to protect people from various 'phobias' without a functioning rule of law? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #103
Speaking of the rule of law BainsBane Jan 2015 #96
Wow. [n/t] Maedhros Jan 2015 #97
LINO? ND-Dem Jan 2015 #102
"For oil! For power! For empire!" EX500rider Jan 2015 #82
Let's not bring facts into this. nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #83
No. Not if you say so. And not if the president says so. Octafish Jan 2015 #84
I wonder at your American exceptionalism. Why does it make a difference if it is a citizen? nt msanthrope Jan 2015 #86
Thanks for chipping in. Not that I don't feel that way. Octafish Jan 2015 #88
Why do you think Awlaki wasn't given due process? It's a common mistake of law and fact that msanthrope Jan 2015 #89
The fact he was vaporized before he could give his side of the story. Octafish Jan 2015 #107
Mr. Awlaki not only posted hundreds of videos to YouTube telling his side of the story, he msanthrope Jan 2015 #119
Like I couldn't post a bunch of YouTube stuff and put ''msanthrope'' up as its author. Octafish Jan 2015 #120
He was in the videos, preaching hate. He had a magazine at his disposal. The ACLU msanthrope Jan 2015 #121
I guess I don't know why it makes so much difference that he was American BainsBane Jan 2015 #91
"Not if you say so. And not if the president says so." EX500rider Jan 2015 #92
Good point. But we don't know that, do we? Octafish Jan 2015 #105
"But we don't know that, do we?" EX500rider Jan 2015 #108
What about his 16-year-old son? Octafish Jan 2015 #109
He wasn't the target. EX500rider Jan 2015 #110
He's still dead. Octafish Jan 2015 #111
The killing of Al-awlaki was an act of war bhikkhu Jan 2015 #95
There is some question as to whether the AUMF covers Yemen. Maedhros Jan 2015 #98
the geneva conventions? down the memory hole with them, along with everything that doesn't ND-Dem Jan 2015 #104
No matter how egregious the crime, assuming he was involved, to throw away the Constitutional right sabrina 1 Jan 2015 #112
Any more "misconceptions" to clear up? Blue_Tires Nov 2016 #125
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