Yet, what he wrote about Assange's accusers is true. (Reply #137)

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Sun Nov 30, 2014, 12:32 AM

Octafish (55,745 posts)

137. Yet, what he wrote about Assange's accusers is true.

That's what some great DUers figured.

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206 replies	Author	Time	Post
Assange and Chomsky Appear Arm-In-Arm at Ecuadorian Embassy [View all]	Karmadillo	Nov 2014	OP
Assange looks like Gandalf.	Odin2005	Nov 2014	#1
Co-incidence? You decide!	dixiegrrrrl	Nov 2014	#5
he should borrow Gandalf's belt	snooper2	Dec 2014	#191
k/r	nationalize the fed	Nov 2014	#2
+1	daleanime	Nov 2014	#7
"Assange claims" ... "where he fears" -- there's far too much bias in that phrasing	starroute	Nov 2014	#3
YOU are suggesting whatever dove-tails with your view.	randome	Nov 2014	#4
Evidence....	dixiegrrrrl	Nov 2014	#11
Truth ...	ucrdem	Nov 2014	#27
The U.S. is happy where he is	hack89	Nov 2014	#8
PoliceLeaks	Octafish	Nov 2014	#107
Alternate Headline: "Chomsky supports accused rapist".	riqster	Nov 2014	#6
And one by one we through the voices of Democracy under the bus.	zeemike	Nov 2014	#10
Not everyone who comments here is a friend of DU. n/t	dixiegrrrrl	Nov 2014	#13
And you are right.	zeemike	Nov 2014	#21
So calling an accused criminal an accused criminal makes one a non-friend of DU?	riqster	Nov 2014	#25
They can't handle the facts, riqster.. and you're sure a friend of	Cha	Nov 2014	#58
Yes, because democracy exists for men only	BainsBane	Nov 2014	#14
Well said.	riqster	Nov 2014	#19
Oh bullshit.	zeemike	Nov 2014	#20
You were in the room when the sex acts took place?	riqster	Nov 2014	#23
Well the facts are known	zeemike	Nov 2014	#24
So the Swedish justice system is pursuing the matter for what reason?	riqster	Nov 2014	#28
For the reason to put him in the hands of the Americans	zeemike	Nov 2014	#32
Uh-huh. Evidence supporting your thesis?	riqster	Nov 2014	#33
Chelsea Manning.	zeemike	Nov 2014	#37
Those are American judicial and legislative actions/atrocities. Not Swedish.	riqster	Nov 2014	#42
And it will be Assange's fate if he is extradited.	zeemike	Nov 2014	#44
I can't agree without some factual basis. Sweden plays it pretty straight as a rule.	riqster	Nov 2014	#45
It very silly to think he would have to go to Sweden 1st to get to the US..	EX500rider	Nov 2014	#49
the UK can't touch him	passiveporcupine	Mar 2016	#206
Unlawful coercion, sexual molestation (two counts), and rape	hack89	Nov 2014	#51
You don't know the facts of the case...	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#57
"emotion is used as a tool" to "divide us up"	YoungDemCA	Nov 2014	#79
And I understand you just fine.	zeemike	Nov 2014	#88
He is a rapist in the mind of the woman assaulted	BainsBane	Nov 2014	#118
And I can't understand when someone becomes so judgmental	zeemike	Nov 2014	#131
This message was self-deleted by its author	Dont call me Shirley	Nov 2014	#60
Not what their allegations state..	Cha	Nov 2014	#66
That is simply false, as this evidence shows	BainsBane	Nov 2014	#117
Thanks for clearing that up.	nilesobek	Nov 2014	#133
I only got my info from DN. I did not know the allegations were anything other than framed.	Dont call me Shirley	Nov 2014	#141
Hold on. I wasn't calling for that.	nilesobek	Dec 2014	#171
Sneaky Assange blames his problems on the USA.. can't stand up and be responsible for his	Cha	Nov 2014	#65
Excellent post.	YoungDemCA	Nov 2014	#77
I would disagree with one thing that you wrote.	Kali	Nov 2014	#92
The 'major international security issues' are non-existent insofar as Assange is concerned.	randome	Nov 2014	#95
No attorney who wants to keep their license	BainsBane	Nov 2014	#119
That's a strong argument. nt	el_bryanto	Dec 2014	#179
For Chomsky, everyone else gets thrown under the bus if it means being able to attack the US	stevenleser	Dec 2014	#203
He needs to go through the process and be found guilty or not.	riqster	Nov 2014	#15
Well I hope you find yourself in that position some day.	zeemike	Nov 2014	#18
Oh, so Sweden is some sort of judicial hellhole?	riqster	Nov 2014	#22
No but they have the same corruption of government as we have.	zeemike	Nov 2014	#34
I share your mistrust as a general rule. But I have yet.to see examples in this case.	riqster	Nov 2014	#35
Well if you can't find it, it never happened.	zeemike	Nov 2014	#38
I woudn't go that far. But in such a case, I wouldn't assume it to be likely.	riqster	Nov 2014	#41
This is Sweden's Law on Rapists..	Cha	Nov 2014	#67
Thank you. n/t	YoungDemCA	Nov 2014	#100
there is no universe where Assange OR Chomsky represent, in any way, Democracy.	KittyWampus	Nov 2014	#115
Hmmm, who to go with, Riqster or Chomsky? Not a tough choice.	Comrade Grumpy	Nov 2014	#12
Actually, neither. The Swedish courts are the only true authority.	riqster	Nov 2014	#16
Lol, you haven't been keeping up with this sham 'case' have you? Still not even a charge filed	sabrina 1	Nov 2014	#26
If and when the Swedish courts take such steps, his legal status will change.	riqster	Nov 2014	#31
Where are the CHARGES? Amazing to see 'liberals' condone the imprisonment of a news editor for	sabrina 1	Nov 2014	#61
Just show me the imprisonment	brooklynite	Nov 2014	#62
He long ago was in Sweden asking to speak to the prosecutor and was told 'she was too busy'.	sabrina 1	Nov 2014	#104
I understand U.S. Intelligence put pressure on the	Eleanors38	Nov 2014	#46
Sweden's PM was helped attain his position by KARL ROVE, an OLD FRIEND. He is known as 'Europe's	sabrina 1	Nov 2014	#63
A lot of (parroted) conspiracy theories...	YoungDemCA	Nov 2014	#82
What are the charges you are speaking of??	sabrina 1	Nov 2014	#101
Forget it, (s)he's rolling...	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#108
OK, maybe she was a Western asset.	nilesobek	Nov 2014	#135
Last week a Swedish appeals court upheld Assange's arrest warrant	hack89	Nov 2014	#53
Lol, of course they did. Just show us the CHARGES. There have never been any charges filed against	sabrina 1	Nov 2014	#64
There are four charges specified in his arrest warrant	hack89	Nov 2014	#69
It's been explained dozens of times, but some people just like to post	zappaman	Nov 2014	#70
I asked for CHARGES filed against him. What you gave me are years old allegations	sabrina 1	Nov 2014	#102
So charges detailed in a legal arrest warrant are not really charges?	hack89	Nov 2014	#110
He has not been charged with any crime. What about that is so difficult for you to grasp??	sabrina 1	Nov 2014	#146
An arrest warrant has to reference criminal charges	hack89	Nov 2014	#148
This is pure unmitigated nonsense and the only reason I am wasting my time responding to it, is	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#172
Assange's lawyer testified under oath that the prosecutor wanted to interview him in Sweden	hack89	Dec 2014	#173
Wrong, AGAIN. What is in black and white is the FACT that Assange was interviewed by the	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#175
So you are denying an actual, black and white trial transcript?	hack89	Dec 2014	#176
There are NO Criminal or any other kind of charges filed against Assange. Are you still trying to	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#182
This message was self-deleted by its author	hack89	Dec 2014	#183
Do you deny there is a valid arrest warrant for Assange?	hack89	Dec 2014	#184
Still refusing to answer a simple question? Where are the charges you claimed existed?	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#186
Those accusations just survived a legal challenge two weeks ago	hack89	Dec 2014	#187
Lol, the Swedish Court has been saying that for YEARS now but still they will not PROVE IT.	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#190
You need a trial to prove the charges. To have a trial you need a defendant	hack89	Dec 2014	#192
Yes!! Exactly!! So, why has this Prosecutor REFUSED to file any charges??	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#194
Because the Swedish system is different from ours	hack89	Dec 2014	#196
We know the differences. And we know the Prosecutor has LIED about needing to	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#197
Has Assange agree to surrender if arrested following an interview?	hack89	Dec 2014	#198
Where are the charges? Why have no charges been filed? Why would someone	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#199
People are arrested and taken into custody prior to indictment every day in America.	hack89	Dec 2014	#200
Lol, OUR legal system? What does OUR legal system have to do with this? Was that a slip	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#201
It will all be over in 2020 when the statute of limitations runs out.	hack89	Dec 2014	#202
Your conspiracy buzzword filled rants are amusing.	Odin2005	Dec 2014	#204
What conspiracy buzzwords are you talking about? I deal only in facts.	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#205
I believe Assange's lawyer. Don't you?	hack89	Dec 2014	#185
Where are the charges? A simple answer is all I am asking for.	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#188
I understand why you don't want to talk about him fleeing Sweden to avoid arrest	hack89	Dec 2014	#189
Charges, this is about charges that were never filed, about a case that never existed. So	sabrina 1	Dec 2014	#193
So you are saying Assange's lawyer lied under oath?	hack89	Dec 2014	#195
Chomsky is a traitor and should be executed!!1!!	BeanMusical	Nov 2014	#9
They had a good month.	ucrdem	Nov 2014	#17
Boy is it easy to distract Americans from what really matters...	NoJusticeNoPeace	Nov 2014	#29
Bravo to both. K&R	Tierra_y_Libertad	Nov 2014	#30
What I learned from this: rape is OK, provided you exposed US state secrets.	Donald Ian Rankin	Nov 2014	#36
This message was self-deleted by its author	1000words	Nov 2014	#39
Your loss. N.T.	Donald Ian Rankin	Nov 2014	#40
Post removed	Post removed	Nov 2014	#52
Supporting rapists is not a liberal position. N.T.	Donald Ian Rankin	Nov 2014	#54
+1...nt	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#59
False accusations of rape are exceedingly rare	YoungDemCA	Nov 2014	#75
Assange admitted it.	joshcryer	Nov 2014	#81
Exactly...	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#147
Now the brits have spent 10m Pounds to arrest him for questioning in a supposed Swedish sex crime.	pa28	Nov 2014	#43
Well, if it's a "supposed" sex crime, that makes all the difference...	brooklynite	Nov 2014	#50
When was last time a government spent 10m to extradite somebody for questioning in a sex case?	pa28	Nov 2014	#55
I wasn't aware that criminal investigations came with a budget...	brooklynite	Nov 2014	#56
He's a fugitive under British law, subject to British penalties. Should they forget him? nt	msanthrope	Nov 2014	#73
People granted political asylum are by definition labeled as "fugitives".	pa28	Nov 2014	#93
He's a bail jumper. Should people on bail in the UK be allowed to skip merely	msanthrope	Nov 2014	#94
Criminals can't just walk into an embassy for legal relief.	pa28	Nov 2014	#96
You think politics doesn't trump logic and common sense?	randome	Nov 2014	#97
I do and I believe I pointed that out upthread.	pa28	Nov 2014	#99
He wasn't granted an asylum recognized by any cogent legal authority. And, as a criminal	msanthrope	Nov 2014	#98
He is actually a fugitive from British justice	hack89	Nov 2014	#71
+1	YoungDemCA	Nov 2014	#84
Assange asked for and received asylum from the government of Ecuador.	pa28	Nov 2014	#89
Too bad diplomatic asylum is not recognized by international law	hack89	Nov 2014	#90
Chomsky is awesome! He's also an example of why we need university tenure	Wella	Nov 2014	#47
...	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#48
I don't give a shite who hangs out with this asshole.. "Julian Assange Backs Ron and Rand Paul"..	Cha	Nov 2014	#68
I think	ucrdem	Nov 2014	#72
2 good men. I applaud them both! nt	elias49	Nov 2014	#74
How is Assange remotely a "good man"?	YoungDemCA	Nov 2014	#76
Well there's Wikileaks...heard of it? nt	elias49	Nov 2014	#78
Yes, and that doesn't negate the likelihood that he's a scumbag rapist	YoungDemCA	Nov 2014	#80
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And now you show your true colors	YoungDemCA	Nov 2014	#85
What colors are you talking about?	elias49	Nov 2014	#86
Can't trust those chicks- they'll fuck you over in a heartbeat	hack89	Nov 2014	#87
7-0 Hide.....	msanthrope	Nov 2014	#91
Excellent hide....nt	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#109
Thank you. nt	msanthrope	Nov 2014	#124
That's what the CIA said.	Octafish	Nov 2014	#105
Oh so the CIA said it, then it must be wrong	YoungDemCA	Nov 2014	#113
CIA and Cuba are cause for dismantling the Agency.	Octafish	Nov 2014	#116
Oh dear...you are sourcing Israel Shamir, aren't you?? nt	msanthrope	Nov 2014	#126
Better than CURVEBALL.	Octafish	Nov 2014	#127
+1 Luis Posada Carriles was a member of a very special group	nationalize the fed	Nov 2014	#129
Los Amigos Terroristas de Bush	Octafish	Nov 2014	#138
Daniel fucking Hopsicker!!....	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#140
Isreal Shamir works for Wikileaks, and is a noted Holocaust denier. Any DUer who wishes to know	msanthrope	Nov 2014	#130
Wow.	zappaman	Nov 2014	#132
Just another smear from zappaman.	Octafish	Nov 2014	#139
Reply #142.	zappaman	Nov 2014	#150
Yup. All the articles posted from Paul Craig Roberts support your assertion...	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#142
Supporting holocaust deniers is disgusting.	zappaman	Nov 2014	#152
And now he's calling a banned anti-Semite a "great DUer"...	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#154
It does make one wonder, don't it?	zappaman	Nov 2014	#155
Yet, what he wrote about Assange's accusers is true.	Octafish	Nov 2014	#137
So you support a holocaust denier?	zappaman	Nov 2014	#151
A troll banned for being an anti-Semite is a "great DUer"?...	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#153
I'm kind of surprised	sharp_stick	Nov 2014	#156
You are citing a DUer banned for Holocaust denial to prove that the Holocaust denier	msanthrope	Nov 2014	#158
That is not what I wrote.	Octafish	Nov 2014	#159
You are citing Israel Shamir. He is a noted Holocaust denier. One of the "great DUers" you	msanthrope	Nov 2014	#160
Not the only Holocaust denier he cites either.	zappaman	Nov 2014	#162
Lie down with dogs, don't be surprised when the fleas bite you in the ass. nt	msanthrope	Nov 2014	#163
...	zappaman	Nov 2014	#164
How am I supposed to know everyone banned and for what?	Octafish	Nov 2014	#165
Well....now that you know that Israel Shamir is a Holocaust denier and Wikileaks employee, and	msanthrope	Nov 2014	#167
You linked specifically to a troll banned for being an anti-Semite.	zappaman	Nov 2014	#161
Smear artist.	Octafish	Nov 2014	#166
No smears necessary to show you linked to an anti-Semitic banned troll.	zappaman	Nov 2014	#168
it's in their profile	tammywammy	Nov 2014	#169
Shhhhhh	zappaman	Nov 2014	#170
How do you know who has been banned for what? It's on their profile. nt	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#174
Banned anti-semite trolls are now "great DUers".	zappaman	Dec 2014	#180
Assange...like Officer Wilson, need not answer for his crimes. nt	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#181
Some of these responses downthread are hilarious......	marmar	Nov 2014	#103
Sheer hypocrisy.	Tierra_y_Libertad	Nov 2014	#106
They can be discussed without defending a rapist/predator	YoungDemCA	Nov 2014	#114
Don't forget "In no known universe can Chomsky or Assage represent in any	Puglover	Nov 2014	#121
That is the second greatest thread in DU history. n/t	QC	Nov 2014	#122
And NOONE needs to apologize for the	Puglover	Nov 2014	#123
Nope. No need to be an apologist, that's for sure. n/t	QC	Nov 2014	#125
How exciting! Assange appears on balcony! With Chomsky! Someone snaps a photo!	struggle4progress	Nov 2014	#111
LOL!	zappaman	Nov 2014	#112
Heheh...	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#120
I've been simultaneously bored and face palming reading this thread until now	Number23	Nov 2014	#128
lol	treestar	Nov 2014	#143
You just redeemed this thread for me (nt)	Recursion	Dec 2014	#178
And, predictably, the smear/propaganda machine is on the job.	woo me with science	Nov 2014	#134
...	SidDithers	Nov 2014	#136
Julian has indeed save the world	treestar	Nov 2014	#144
Excellent post, thank you. As for the smear campaign, lol, same old names wherever you go. Same	sabrina 1	Nov 2014	#145
It's telling that Assange refuses to face charges in Sweden	YoungDemCA	Nov 2014	#149
When you find yourself on the WRONG side of Assange and Chomsky...	bvar22	Nov 2014	#157
They are on the wrong side of rape. nt	msanthrope	Dec 2014	#177

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