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In reply to the discussion: If you want to screw the ACA, do you want the disabled to be charged more for insurance than others? [View all]woo me with science
(32,139 posts)59. Stale, offensive Third Way talking points. Moving on to another thread now.
Shun Third Way Spin and Talking Points
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5767160
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5767160
It is the Third Way here that repeatedly attacks *anyone* who posts with complaints about the ACA. Newsflash: We *need* complaints about the ACA, or we will never get anything but corporate exploitation.
We are treated like blithering idiots by the Third Way propaganda.
The mandate was the salivated-after goal of the corporate profiteers, and it's sucking bilions from the pockets of Americans into the pockets of CEO's and shareholders exactly as planned.
"Why Health Insurance Shareholders Are Loving Obamacare"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025517310
Aetna Health Insurance will double Revenues to $100 billion by 2020 thanks to Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014670789
ObamaCare Enriches The Health Insurance Giants and Their Shareholders
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlenzner/2013/10/01/obamacare-enriches-only-the-health-insurance-giants-and-their-shareholders/
So far in 2013 the value of the S& P health insurance index has gained 43%. Thats more than double the gains made in the broad stock market index, the S & P 500. The shares of CIGNA are up 63%, Wellpoint 47% and United Healthcare 28%.
"But, oh! It's just a first step!!!!!1!!" promise the Third Way vipers. Well, we were told SIX years ago that this was a "first step" toward something better, but true to Third Way form, the only actual "adjustments" we have seen have been to carve out more exploitation for the insurance companies.
All this Third Way PR theater gets so old, the projecting of virtuous motives onto corporate Democrats that they have shown no sign of wanting to embrace. There is NO sign...I mean zero, zip, nada...that making the ACA a step to something better is on the Third Way's or the administration's agenda at all. THIS is what they wanted, and they are *already* busy adjusting it so as to reduce the benefits to human beings that they had to include in order to sell the mandate. Oh, there have been some changes, but consistently on behalf of the corporations and at the expense of the people:
The employer mandate was delayed...the mandate for Americans? Not so much:White House delays employer mandate requirement until 2015
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/07/02/white-house-delays-employer-mandate-requirement-until-2015/
Out of pocket caps on costs for patients....also delayed...again targeting the *people,* not the insurance corporations.Limit on Consumer Costs Is Delayed in Health Care Law
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/us/a-limit-on-consumer-costs-is-delayed-in-health-care-law.html?pagewanted=all&_r=1&
And then this brazen assault:Obama administration quietly approves new Obamacare loophole benefiting insurance companies.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024970298
The bipartisan (despite all theater to the contrary) corporate ACA is already skyrocketing insurance company profits beyond the wildest dreams of its architects. The insurance companies wrote the thing, and it was *designed* to entrench an exploitative, profit-sucking system of middlemen that keeps costs spiraling at the expense of human beings who need care. Look instead for more "loopholes" like the one the Obama administration *already* carved out in order to help the companies shift even more costs to patients.
If most people understood how it is rigged, and how much is being stolen, they would be outraged. The mandate was a corporate wet dream - it ensures that obscene levels of money that should be going to health care instead are given as a cut to these thieving health insurance middlemen. It ensures continued spiraling costs. And it ensures a continued motive to deny care for profit.Healthcare as commodity. Obscenely overpriced "insurance" that people cannot afford to use. Profits mandated...instead of care. And a system in which "consumers" must desperately "shop" for a new (lower-benefit, higher deductible, lower-tier) plan every year as premiums skyrocket and they are mercilessly priced out of the old ones. And the lipstick on the pig, the subsidies, go directly to the profiteers. The pockets of Americans are looted, while the oligarchs have their obscene profits codified and protected in the law itself.
Of course some *individuals* are helped! But they are helped by other Americans who pay for the subsidies. NOT by making the bloodsucking corporations pay; no, their profits are codified into the law. And why wouldn't the corporate vipers structure it this way? How else could PR for this massive takeover by corporations, this perversion and exploitation of the basic human need for healthcare into a nationwide, mandated profit opportunity for bloodsucking middlemen, *ever* have been pulled off as it was?
Third Way Democrats and corporate Republicans bank on gullibility and lack of awareness of what their policies actually accomplish for the wealthy. Most especially, they bank on the hope that they can propagandize each issue separately -- the turning of every single human need (for education, for health care, for energy) into a profit stream for oligarchs-- so that people won't see the overarching, always present agenda:
[font size3]the constant siphoning of wealth upward....the looting of this country for the already obscenely wealthy corporate elite.[/font size]
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If you want to screw the ACA, do you want the disabled to be charged more for insurance than others? [View all]
CreekDog
Nov 2014
OP
Yeah well I HAVE used it when I was on Unemployment.....I would rather have it...
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#3
You seriously believe no one has been on DU with an anti ACA agenda and lied about it?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#12
Lies about the ACA is an issue you have brought up. I responded to an OP on the ACA,
Autumn
Nov 2014
#20
I'm blaming no one. But it does seem that is a problem that could have been taken care of
Autumn
Nov 2014
#10
Any politician, especially Democrats who are supposedly smarter should have known that the
Autumn
Nov 2014
#24
that it is a problem of the ACA that some states didn't implement it....thats a lie
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#25
and that is ANOTHER Lie.....it is favored by 70% of those who have used it...
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#35
No one said it cannot be improved just like every other Fed. program has....
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#39
Why assume people aren't? And why haven't blue staters rolled up their sleeves to help also?
Lars39
Nov 2014
#51
What else do you want Blue Staters to do? Go to war with Red Staters and force it on them?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#78
The usual is always welcome and helpful...warm bodies and money to help organize.
Lars39
Nov 2014
#102
Honey try reading instead of screeching for a minute. I said that was the fault of the politicians
Autumn
Nov 2014
#34
For the last time, the ACA did not fucking write itself. Red state governors did not write it.
Autumn
Nov 2014
#42
for Everytime...I will NOT stand by and allow lies to be told about the ACA....PERIOD!
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#46
"I will NOT stand by and allow lies to be told about the ACA....PERIOD!"
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2014
#88
I'm just going to say that this was talked about on DU when the ACA was being written
Autumn
Nov 2014
#94
I never saw any posts saying that the Rethugs would reject state control. But let's pretend
pnwmom
Nov 2014
#113
Actually, it was the Republicans who did not want one national system but rather
JDPriestly
Nov 2014
#126
It gives them the option to Opt into a Single Payer System if they want...
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#72
No it sounds like the truth....the truth is some states didn't expand Medicaid.....they are governed
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#79
All the Republicans already opposed it. What more could they have done? Super opposed it?
joeglow3
Nov 2014
#91
what more do you think could have happened....Republicans are dragging their feet on this
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#100
Which is fine. But people can still point out how it sucks that they didn't just require it
joeglow3
Nov 2014
#104
They thought they had. But it was a 900 page bill and a SCOTUS that acts politically
pnwmom
Nov 2014
#95
and Yeah....Republicans would vote to allow THAT to happen....(O medicaid funds)
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#114
And I will continue to tell the truth about the ACA with first hand knowledge.....
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#27
that the problem that SOME states didn't accept the ACA was with the ACA....not that states Governor
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#32
Maybe you are telling a lie about experiencing ACA while unemployed.....first hand.
Autumn
Nov 2014
#37
It is NOT the fault of the ACA that YOUR state didn't accept it. Apparently your neighbors
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#56
No I am attacking your ridiculousness blaming ACA for Red states not adopting in.....
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#74
i agree with you, my complaint is with those that would have it repealed knowing nothing replaces it
CreekDog
Nov 2014
#139
No its not....its a your neighbors voted Red....and apparently do not want the ACA....
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#67
Same with all those people who hate Obama and refused to give up their old plan that did not fit the
jwirr
Nov 2014
#21
You need to provide the other poster some proof that your claim, which sounds like complete nonsense
ieoeja
Nov 2014
#112
For those who feel that way it is time they go look at Social Security and Medicaid and Medicare.
jwirr
Nov 2014
#28
There were Dems that had to be "bribed" to vote for ACA, they would not have gone for single payer.
Hoyt
Nov 2014
#132
That's tough, but I bet public option will be a big part of the 2016 Prez debate.
Hoyt
Nov 2014
#136
No. do you think we should be giving insurance companies half trillion dollars in profit every year
Doctor_J
Nov 2014
#40
well then people have to vote for that....this last election...they sure didn't.
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2014
#49
Stale, offensive Third Way talking points. Moving on to another thread now.
woo me with science
Nov 2014
#59
This is an excellent post. Thank you for your effort here. And "third way" is a fine nickname for
RadiationTherapy
Nov 2014
#122
I want our Gov. to give all the funds to another country Canada/UK and let that country
Sunlei
Nov 2014
#68
I want the concept of insurance to be irrelevant in discussions of necessary, urgent, and chronic
Ed Suspicious
Nov 2014
#131
Would be nice, but it's a long time coming. Providers, suppliers and even consumers are going to
Hoyt
Nov 2014
#133
let's just agree on this, okay: Some of the disabled have private health insurance
CreekDog
Nov 2014
#155
I suspect the answer they will give is they want a public option or medicare for all. However, one
still_one
Nov 2014
#156
Thanks for the info about "the beginning of the film." Absolutely agree with you.
merrily
Nov 2014
#159