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59. Stale, offensive Third Way talking points. Moving on to another thread now.
Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:32 PM
Nov 2014


It is the Third Way here that repeatedly attacks *anyone* who posts with complaints about the ACA. Newsflash: We *need* complaints about the ACA, or we will never get anything but corporate exploitation.

We are treated like blithering idiots by the Third Way propaganda.

The mandate was the salivated-after goal of the corporate profiteers, and it's sucking bilions from the pockets of Americans into the pockets of CEO's and shareholders exactly as planned.


"Why Health Insurance Shareholders Are Loving Obamacare"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025517310

Aetna Health Insurance will double Revenues to $100 billion by 2020 thanks to Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014670789

ObamaCare Enriches The Health Insurance Giants and Their Shareholders
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlenzner/2013/10/01/obamacare-enriches-only-the-health-insurance-giants-and-their-shareholders/

So far in 2013 the value of the S& P health insurance index has gained 43%. Thats more than double the gains made in the broad stock market index, the S & P 500. The shares of CIGNA are up 63%, Wellpoint 47% and United Healthcare 28%.


"But, oh! It's just a first step!!!!!1!!" promise the Third Way vipers. Well, we were told SIX years ago that this was a "first step" toward something better, but true to Third Way form, the only actual "adjustments" we have seen have been to carve out more exploitation for the insurance companies.

All this Third Way PR theater gets so old, the projecting of virtuous motives onto corporate Democrats that they have shown no sign of wanting to embrace. There is NO sign...I mean zero, zip, nada...that making the ACA a step to something better is on the Third Way's or the administration's agenda at all. THIS is what they wanted, and they are *already* busy adjusting it so as to reduce the benefits to human beings that they had to include in order to sell the mandate. Oh, there have been some changes, but consistently on behalf of the corporations and at the expense of the people:

The employer mandate was delayed...the mandate for Americans? Not so much:



Out of pocket caps on costs for patients....also delayed...again targeting the *people,* not the insurance corporations.



And then this brazen assault:
Obama administration quietly approves new Obamacare loophole benefiting insurance companies.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024970298


The bipartisan (despite all theater to the contrary) corporate ACA is already skyrocketing insurance company profits beyond the wildest dreams of its architects. The insurance companies wrote the thing, and it was *designed* to entrench an exploitative, profit-sucking system of middlemen that keeps costs spiraling at the expense of human beings who need care. Look instead for more "loopholes" like the one the Obama administration *already* carved out in order to help the companies shift even more costs to patients.

If most people understood how it is rigged, and how much is being stolen, they would be outraged. The mandate was a corporate wet dream - it ensures that obscene levels of money that should be going to health care instead are given as a cut to these thieving health insurance middlemen. It ensures continued spiraling costs. And it ensures a continued motive to deny care for profit.

Healthcare as commodity. Obscenely overpriced "insurance" that people cannot afford to use. Profits mandated...instead of care. And a system in which "consumers" must desperately "shop" for a new (lower-benefit, higher deductible, lower-tier) plan every year as premiums skyrocket and they are mercilessly priced out of the old ones. And the lipstick on the pig, the subsidies, go directly to the profiteers. The pockets of Americans are looted, while the oligarchs have their obscene profits codified and protected in the law itself.


Of course some *individuals* are helped! But they are helped by other Americans who pay for the subsidies. NOT by making the bloodsucking corporations pay; no, their profits are codified into the law. And why wouldn't the corporate vipers structure it this way? How else could PR for this massive takeover by corporations, this perversion and exploitation of the basic human need for healthcare into a nationwide, mandated profit opportunity for bloodsucking middlemen, *ever* have been pulled off as it was?


Third Way Democrats and corporate Republicans bank on gullibility and lack of awareness of what their policies actually accomplish for the wealthy. Most especially, they bank on the hope that they can propagandize each issue separately -- the turning of every single human need (for education, for health care, for energy) into a profit stream for oligarchs-- so that people won't see the overarching, always present agenda:

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the constant siphoning of wealth upward....the looting of this country for the already obscenely wealthy corporate elite.
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Good questions, I look forward to the responses from those who... Spazito Nov 2014 #1
I'm good with the ACA, but do people really need to tell the Autumn Nov 2014 #2
Yeah well I HAVE used it when I was on Unemployment.....I would rather have it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #3
So what, and who is telling lies about the ACA and how do you know Autumn Nov 2014 #6
You seriously believe no one has been on DU with an anti ACA agenda and lied about it? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #12
Lies about the ACA is an issue you have brought up. I responded to an OP on the ACA, Autumn Nov 2014 #20
One just happened on this very thread.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #23
I'm blaming no one. But it does seem that is a problem that could have been taken care of Autumn Nov 2014 #10
How would they freaking know that....do they have crystal balls? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #13
Any politician, especially Democrats who are supposedly smarter should have known that the Autumn Nov 2014 #24
ah....but some "puke" governors DIDN'T do that.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #30
No, the states don't have to make up the shortfall SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2014 #144
You're right, Autumn. Shemp Howard Nov 2014 #129
It was what 3 republicans and 3 Democrats who wrote it? Autumn Nov 2014 #130
All most of us ask is to show some empathy for those of us in red state hell. Lars39 Nov 2014 #14
No but your hospitals are going to demand it for you..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #16
You have to recognize problems before you can solve them. Lars39 Nov 2014 #18
that is NOT a problem with the ACA...as I already stated..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #19
What is the lie you are talking about? Lars39 Nov 2014 #22
that it is a problem of the ACA that some states didn't implement it....thats a lie VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #25
There are people with legitimate complaints in the states thar did expand. Lars39 Nov 2014 #33
and that is ANOTHER Lie.....it is favored by 70% of those who have used it... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #35
That doesn't mean there aren't problems and concerns that need to be fixed. Lars39 Nov 2014 #38
No one said it cannot be improved just like every other Fed. program has.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #39
Can't be improved if the problems are ignored. Lars39 Nov 2014 #47
It is Not ignored...as I already told you.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #50
Why assume people aren't? And why haven't blue staters rolled up their sleeves to help also? Lars39 Nov 2014 #51
What else do you want Blue Staters to do? Go to war with Red Staters and force it on them? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #78
That's all you can suggest? Lars39 Nov 2014 #93
what else do you want? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #97
The usual is always welcome and helpful...warm bodies and money to help organize. Lars39 Nov 2014 #102
In worry that instead, they will Mr.Bill Nov 2014 #101
Honey try reading instead of screeching for a minute. I said that was the fault of the politicians Autumn Nov 2014 #34
I am NOT your Honey....thats sexist... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #36
For the last time, the ACA did not fucking write itself. Red state governors did not write it. Autumn Nov 2014 #42
for Everytime...I will NOT stand by and allow lies to be told about the ACA....PERIOD! VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #46
OMFG Autumn Nov 2014 #53
thats all you got? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #54
That's all I need Autumn Nov 2014 #55
Oh you need something alright..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #57
"I will NOT stand by and allow lies to be told about the ACA....PERIOD!" Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #88
I told Vanilla the other day that I didn't know Autumn Nov 2014 #96
No, they didn't "have" to know that. Rethugs have a long history of demanding pnwmom Nov 2014 #81
twice in one thread...thanks again.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #87
I'm just going to say that this was talked about on DU when the ACA was being written Autumn Nov 2014 #94
I never saw any posts saying that the Rethugs would reject state control. But let's pretend pnwmom Nov 2014 #113
You know I'm not going to argue with you. So you go on and have a nice day. Autumn Nov 2014 #117
Actually, it was the Republicans who did not want one national system but rather JDPriestly Nov 2014 #126
Did the ACA gives states the option to opt out? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #69
It gives them the option to Opt into a Single Payer System if they want... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #72
No. I am just saying there were flaws with the ACA joeglow3 Nov 2014 #77
No it sounds like the truth....the truth is some states didn't expand Medicaid.....they are governed VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #79
draft a bill that didn't allow the states to avoid expansion? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #80
and you think that will pass? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #84
All the Republicans already opposed it. What more could they have done? Super opposed it? joeglow3 Nov 2014 #91
what more do you think could have happened....Republicans are dragging their feet on this VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #100
Which is fine. But people can still point out how it sucks that they didn't just require it joeglow3 Nov 2014 #104
but they can't blame it on the ACA...what sucks is Republicans... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #107
I am not hammering the bill, as a whole joeglow3 Nov 2014 #115
but instead of asking for help they say...."Screw the ACA" VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #116
They thought they had. But it was a 900 page bill and a SCOTUS that acts politically pnwmom Nov 2014 #95
They did! The Supreme Court ruled that it was unconstitutional. ieoeja Nov 2014 #105
And yet, the drinking age is 21 in every state joeglow3 Nov 2014 #108
And yet people voted for the drinking age..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #111
and Yeah....Republicans would vote to allow THAT to happen....(O medicaid funds) VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #114
At which point, you could say you did everything you could joeglow3 Nov 2014 #121
Legislature had nothing to do with that. ieoeja Nov 2014 #128
No, it doesn't -- unless they go even further and choose single payer. pnwmom Nov 2014 #82
thank you.....much more eloquent than I... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #86
The Supreme Court gave them the right to opt out. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #127
No, they always had that right. The SC just affirmed it joeglow3 Nov 2014 #137
Exactly the point I was going to make ... staggerleem Nov 2014 #135
I'll tell you what sucks and it sure isn't complaints about the ACA. Autumn Nov 2014 #26
And I will continue to tell the truth about the ACA with first hand knowledge..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #27
Tell me what I lied about if you would please. Autumn Nov 2014 #29
that the problem that SOME states didn't accept the ACA was with the ACA....not that states Governor VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #32
Maybe you are telling a lie about experiencing ACA while unemployed.....first hand. Autumn Nov 2014 #37
But I am not....do try to keep up yourself. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #44
Prove to me you are not telling lies. if you were to read what I said Autumn Nov 2014 #52
It is NOT the fault of the ACA that YOUR state didn't accept it. Apparently your neighbors VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #56
Well your crystal balls failed you. My state did accept it. Autumn Nov 2014 #61
then WTF is YOUR problem... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #66
My problem is that I posted a reply to a very good OP and you come in not Autumn Nov 2014 #70
No I am attacking your ridiculousness blaming ACA for Red states not adopting in..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #74
You assume that anyone who speaks about a problem with it is lying. Lars39 Nov 2014 #71
Yeah they are also some that are willfully misinformed too... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #76
i agree with you, my complaint is with those that would have it repealed knowing nothing replaces it CreekDog Nov 2014 #139
You know what, it is a "screw you,I got mine." mentality. Autumn Nov 2014 #64
No its not....its a your neighbors voted Red....and apparently do not want the ACA.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #67
OMG are you capable of reading this earlier response to YOU? Autumn Nov 2014 #73
your pablum? VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #75
The gripe and concern should be about your Republican politicians. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #119
No State expanded Medicare. Medicaid was expanded. Not the same thing. Bluenorthwest Nov 2014 #15
its was a typo... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #17
Same with all those people who hate Obama and refused to give up their old plan that did not fit the jwirr Nov 2014 #21
One thing that frustrates me about the law.. Rstrstx Nov 2014 #83
Oh you are going to need to shop proof of that..... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #89
Don't follow Rstrstx Nov 2014 #92
source please.... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #110
PPACA 1401 Sec 36b (c) Rstrstx Nov 2014 #118
You need to provide the other poster some proof that your claim, which sounds like complete nonsense ieoeja Nov 2014 #112
I think you missed the point Rstrstx Nov 2014 #120
I just don't suffer fools lightly....thank you very much... VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #123
insurance companies charge young people more for their car insurance belzabubba333 Nov 2014 #4
Some folks have a kind of psychological autoimmune disorder about ACA. True Blue Door Nov 2014 #5
+1 moriah Nov 2014 #8
For those who feel that way it is time they go look at Social Security and Medicaid and Medicare. jwirr Nov 2014 #28
Exactly. Heck, Medicare didn't cover prescription drugs until 2005. Hoyt Nov 2014 #41
Except-- YarnAddict Nov 2014 #106
Very good question. At least we should have gotten to take it to the floor. jwirr Nov 2014 #125
There were Dems that had to be "bribed" to vote for ACA, they would not have gone for single payer. Hoyt Nov 2014 #132
How soon do you think it will happen? n/t YarnAddict Nov 2014 #134
That's tough, but I bet public option will be a big part of the 2016 Prez debate. Hoyt Nov 2014 #136
Single-payer advocates were forcibly removed from ACA hearings Art_from_Ark Nov 2014 #138
Thank you. I have health coverage thanks to the ACA. moriah Nov 2014 #7
It is a stepping stone UglyGreed Nov 2014 #9
People are still UglyGreed Nov 2014 #11
Every state has Community Mental Health Center block grants. moriah Nov 2014 #31
I sure there other examples UglyGreed Nov 2014 #58
the whole point of capitalism is to make sure some do without Doctor_J Nov 2014 #60
+1000 N/T UglyGreed Nov 2014 #62
No. do you think we should be giving insurance companies half trillion dollars in profit every year Doctor_J Nov 2014 #40
ACA increased the number of people with single payer healthcare in the USA. CreekDog Nov 2014 #43
People want single payer - TBF Nov 2014 #45
well then people have to vote for that....this last election...they sure didn't. VanillaRhapsody Nov 2014 #49
I do too, and ACA expanded single payer CreekDog Nov 2014 #65
You cannot please all the people all the time GusBob Nov 2014 #48
Stale, offensive Third Way talking points. Moving on to another thread now. woo me with science Nov 2014 #59
Stale, offensive name-calling. pnwmom Nov 2014 #85
This is an excellent post. Thank you for your effort here. And "third way" is a fine nickname for RadiationTherapy Nov 2014 #122
The opposed prefer paying for endless WAR! B Calm Nov 2014 #63
I want our Gov. to give all the funds to another country Canada/UK and let that country Sunlei Nov 2014 #68
My answers... CANDO Nov 2014 #90
Real issue is privates want all sick people on Medicare and Medicaid. McCamy Taylor Nov 2014 #98
Keep ACA as a stopgap Prophet 451 Nov 2014 #99
I have Medicare, and I want to see the ACA strengthened and improved. JDPriestly Nov 2014 #103
I do not think anybody here disagrees (or may be I missed something). Mass Nov 2014 #109
ACA isn't interim single-payer Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #124
I want the concept of insurance to be irrelevant in discussions of necessary, urgent, and chronic Ed Suspicious Nov 2014 #131
Would be nice, but it's a long time coming. Providers, suppliers and even consumers are going to Hoyt Nov 2014 #133
"The disabled" are on Medicare Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #140
No, only some of the disabled are on Medicare CreekDog Nov 2014 #141
The disabled on SSDI get Medicare Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #142
YES you are wrong, because not all the disabled are on SSI CreekDog Nov 2014 #143
Once again you ARE WRONG! Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #146
Read your own link, it proves you wrong CreekDog Nov 2014 #147
" You said the disabled get SSI and Medicare. " Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #149
With a few exceptions, there is a two year waiting period dflprincess Nov 2014 #148
and there's plenty of disabled people who don't qualify for either CreekDog Nov 2014 #151
you said the disabled are on Medicare CreekDog Nov 2014 #150
Read your DU mail Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #152
the one where you asked if i was not able to read due to a disability? CreekDog Nov 2014 #153
No Pastiche423 Nov 2014 #154
let's just agree on this, okay: Some of the disabled have private health insurance CreekDog Nov 2014 #155
Senator Bernie Sanders thinks ACA/Obamacare is Actually Helping People.. Cha Nov 2014 #145
I suspect the answer they will give is they want a public option or medicare for all. However, one still_one Nov 2014 #156
Agree, but I'm wondering what prompted the OP. merrily Nov 2014 #157
there was an OP that said "screw the ACA" CreekDog Nov 2014 #158
Thanks for the info about "the beginning of the film." Absolutely agree with you. merrily Nov 2014 #159
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