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woo me with science

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23. The bipartisan oligarchy thinks we are stupid,
Sun Nov 16, 2014, 11:19 AM
Nov 2014

and they continue to count on it, by making this into yet one more sham Red vs. Blue "battle" to distract us from the fact that both corporate parties wanted this thieving corporate system.

No WAY corporatists on either side will allow the mandate to be repealed; it is already skyrocketing insurance company profits beyond their wildest dreams. The insurance companies wrote the thing, and it was *designed* to entrench an exploitative, profit-sucking system of middlemen that keeps costs spiraling at the expense of human beings who need care. Look instead for more "loopholes" like the one the Obama administration *already* carved out in order to help the companies shift even more costs to patients.

If most people understood how it is rigged, and how much is being stolen, they would be outraged. The mandate was a corporate wet dream - it ensures that obscene levels of money that should be going to health care instead are given as a cut to these thieving health insurance middlemen. It ensures continued spiraling costs. And it ensures a continued motive to deny care for profit.



"Why Health Insurance Shareholders Are Loving Obamacare"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025517310

Aetna Health Insurance will double Revenues to $100 billion by 2020 thanks to Obamacare
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014670789

ObamaCare Enriches The Health Insurance Giants and Their Shareholders
http://www.forbes.com/sites/robertlenzner/2013/10/01/obamacare-enriches-only-the-health-insurance-giants-and-their-shareholders/

So far in 2013 the value of the S& P health insurance index has gained 43%. Thats more than double the gains made in the broad stock market index, the S & P 500. The shares of CIGNA are up 63%, Wellpoint 47% and United Healthcare 28%.


Obama administration quietly approves new Obamacare loophole benefiting insurance companies.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024970298



How bad is it?

Medical Debt: A Curable Affliction Health Reform Won’t Fix
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2013/june/medical-debt-a-curable-affliction-health-reform-won%E2%80%99t-fix

The high frequency of medical bankruptcy was often cited by advocates of health reform during the debate over the ACA. Yet the debate largely ignored the fact that most medical debtors actually have coverage. In order to protect Americans from bankruptcy, coverage must be truly comprehensive, that is, it must cover virtually 100 percent of all needed medical care. Unfortunately, the insurance policies mandated under ACA are required to cover only 60 percent of expected health-care costs.



http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/health/2014/03/26/medical-bankruptcy/

56 MILLION Americans under age 65 will have trouble paying medical bills.

Over 35 MILLION American adults (ages 19-64) will be contacted by collections agencies for unpaid medical bills.

Nearly 17 MILLION American adults (ages 19-64) will receive a lower credit rating on account of their high medical bills.

Over 15 MILLION American adults (ages 19-64) will use up all their savings to pay medical bills.

Over 11 MILLION American adults (ages 19-64) will take on credit card debt to pay off their hospital bills.

Nearly 10 MILLION American adults (ages 19-64) will be unable to pay for basic necessities like rent, food, and heat due to their medical bills.

Over 16 MILLION children live in households struggling with medical bills.

Despite having year-round insurance coverage, 10 MILLION insured Americans ages 19-64 will face bills they are unable to pay.

1.7 MILLION Americans live in households that will declare bankruptcy due to their inability to pay their medical bills.

Three states will account for over one-quarter of those living in medical-related bankruptcy: California (248,002), Illinois (113,524), and Florida (99,780).

To save costs, over 25 MILLION adults (ages 19-64) will not take their prescription drugs as indicated, including skipping doses, taking less medicine than prescribed or delaying a refill.








'Dumb and Dumber To' leads Friday box office IADEMO2004 Nov 2014 #1
If I may be so bold -- Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #2
+1 YarnAddict Nov 2014 #11
Can't help but wonder . . . YarnAddict Nov 2014 #14
I'm assuming you're saying "you" in the rhetorical sense. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #17
I meant to reply to the OP YarnAddict Nov 2014 #21
's all good, my sister from another mister. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #24
Good on us-- YarnAddict Nov 2014 #25
Gruber was just working out of the Administration Playbook, Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #37
"Retarded liberals??" n/t YarnAddict Nov 2014 #39
Here's a sampling-- Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #40
The comment refers to Rahm Emanuel when he was White House former9thward Nov 2014 #41
Ouch. Never heard that. n/t YarnAddict Nov 2014 #44
That's because it didn't happen. jazzimov Nov 2014 #50
Please refrain from injecting facts into these types of discussions pkdu Nov 2014 #55
Meanwhile the media pays no attention to geek tragedy Nov 2014 #3
I dunno. Romney's "47-percent" video seemed to have made the charts. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #4
Mitt Romney vs some MIT professor? geek tragedy Nov 2014 #6
Gruber isn't just "some MIT professor." He got a sole-source consulting contract. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #7
Which makes him a legislative player, how? nt geek tragedy Nov 2014 #8
Because he was the one that wrote the lies that Pelosi couldn't see until she passed it. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #9
Oy. You really, really hate Obamacare. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #15
Post removed Post removed Nov 2014 #19
So you favor repeal then. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #27
I have agreed to no RW lies. I have taken Gruber at his word. Pelosi too. Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #32
On what basis have you decided to agree with the Tea Party geek tragedy Nov 2014 #33
This thread is about Gruber admitting he used lies and accounting gimmicks to make the law Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #35
More Teahadist talking points. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #46
You can't explain away Gruber's numerous and repeated comments so you play the chump option. nt Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #48
Gruber is an arrogant tone deaf asshole. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #58
What is a sole source consulting contract? Wella Nov 2014 #56
Why can't we discuss this issue without bringing in unrelated matters? Mojorabbit Nov 2014 #45
So what? geek tragedy Nov 2014 #47
Is there nothing you will not twist into a pretzel to defend for this admin? nt Mojorabbit Nov 2014 #51
Rejecting the wingnut talking points du jour should be the default. geek tragedy Nov 2014 #57
Yet they lie on a daily basis with no media push back. JaneyVee Nov 2014 #34
Not to mention all Gruber's completley wrong statements ShadowLiberal Nov 2014 #61
You mean like what you are doing right here? Kingofalldems Nov 2014 #5
Truth be told Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #10
That isn't the truth Shrek Nov 2014 #13
True. But this is website coverage Boom Sound 416 Nov 2014 #16
Hate to tell you this but you are wrong. Even my local news channel talked Autumn Nov 2014 #54
Well yeah, we think they are stupid. lonestarnot Nov 2014 #12
Stupid is as stupid does! Elect people who want to take away your safety net??? Pisces Nov 2014 #18
That is the message and truth. greytdemocrat Nov 2014 #20
Can't help but wonder . . . YarnAddict Nov 2014 #22
Centrists and people who don't follow politics? JaneyVee Nov 2014 #31
So did you know all along YarnAddict Nov 2014 #36
The bipartisan oligarchy thinks we are stupid, woo me with science Nov 2014 #23
As I wrote in Post #17 Nuclear Unicorn Nov 2014 #26
+100000 You see clearly. woo me with science Nov 2014 #30
+1 L0oniX Nov 2014 #29
oh, woo me, there you go gumming up the works with facts magical thyme Nov 2014 #42
"cut his health insurance by 20,000" woo me with science Nov 2014 #66
+1000 nt Mojorabbit Nov 2014 #52
"We are pulled to the right. We are manipulated like fools." joshcryer Nov 2014 #62
One made quite effective.. sendero Nov 2014 #67
It's going to be good when people dig up the HRC quote. joshcryer Nov 2014 #71
Here's.. sendero Nov 2014 #72
Gruber should removed from any political position ChazII Nov 2014 #80
Actually our plutocracy depends on enough stupid people staying home for elections. Rex Nov 2014 #70
It was stupid to believe Obama campaigning on single payer. L0oniX Nov 2014 #28
It's a PR disaster. What are Obama and the Democratic Party... WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #38
well, Pelosi tried to claim she never heard of Gruber and brush him off as nonexistant magical thyme Nov 2014 #43
LOL Isn't she the one who said we have to wait for the bill to pass, WorseBeforeBetter Nov 2014 #49
I don't really care what this insignificant guy says or thinks. Ykcutnek Nov 2014 #53
The MSM is pushing the "Liberal elitists" meme super-hard right now Odin2005 Nov 2014 #59
Something tells me newblewtoo Nov 2014 #60
Liberals are doing a pretty good job of pushing the liberal elitist meme, sadly Recursion Nov 2014 #64
It would be easier to refute if so many Democrats didn't, in fact, think Recursion Nov 2014 #63
Did he say what he said or did he not? If he did, the problem isn't what the Right or the Corporate sabrina 1 Nov 2014 #65
kick woo me with science Nov 2014 #68
That's funny considering Repukes want to burn us at the stake. Rex Nov 2014 #69
Because he is a Republican? kentuck Nov 2014 #73
If the reports are true, Gruber belongs in jail Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #74
GRUBER belongs in jail? He wasn't the one who passed the law. hughee99 Nov 2014 #75
He appears to have been a key conspirator in certain fraudulent acts Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #78
Which fraudulent acts? hughee99 Nov 2014 #79
One is specifically detailed in this article Man from Pickens Nov 2014 #81
This guy worked FOR the administration hughee99 Nov 2014 #82
Of course Democrats don't think people are stupid... hughee99 Nov 2014 #76
Did the GOP fredamae Nov 2014 #77
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