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Peace Patriot

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65. Where do you live, Sirveri?
Wed Apr 18, 2012, 03:43 AM
Apr 2012
"It then would need to cross the entirety of the Pacific Ocean without precipitating." --Sirveri

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So, some of it precipitates into the Pacific Ocean? That solves the problem for you, does it?

Live anywhere in or near the Pacific Ocean? Ever eat anything from the Pacific Ocean? Does anybody you care about live on islands in the Pacific or near coasts that the Pacific touches? In the Americas? In Asia? You think the problem of fires spewing deadly radiation into the atmosphere is taken care of by destruction of the food source for billions of people (not to mention whales, dolphins and other critters)?

The oceans of Planet Earth are NOT the waste disposal sites for the nuclear industry!

Plus...PLUS...some of that deadly radiation being breathed and rained down on millions, and maybe billions, of people, and soaking into soils and water tables, contaminating crops and farm animals! You think mass death and illness and mass starvation are regrettable but no reason for alarm as long as they don't reach YOU?

Believe me, if Fukushima blows, it WILL reach you--whether you are in the path of the radiation or not. Our world will end. Your world will end. The vast and horrible disruption of everything you know and count on will occur. But airborne nuclear radiation knows no borders and chances are you live right along its path. If you don't live on or near the Pacific coast, maybe you will get a lesser dose. Or maybe it will fall upon your children, relatives or friends. At what point are you going to say that the end of your world has occurred? What level of death and destruction is necessary for you to call it "the end"?

End of the whales and dolphins and other sea life in the northern Pacific? End of California? End of California, Oregon and Washington? Five years of cancer deaths for half your community? Ten years?

Before you call "the end" an exaggeration, please define what level of catastrophe you are willing to say isn't "the end"?

Where do you live, hm?

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I can't help but think of the generals of the Joint Chiefs telling JFK that we could "win" a nuclear war with Soviet Russia with "only" several hundred thousand casualties on the east coast. (See James Douglass' book, "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters.&quot "Win" WHAT? A dead zone in a third of the country? A fourth of the country? A tenth of the country? How do you define "win" in a horror of that scale? How do you define "the end" in a horror of the potential scale as Fukushima? And how stupid is it to discourage people from considering the worst consequences of a man-made, preventable catastrophe with nuclear weapons or nuclear power? We MUST consider the worst because there is no going back, once the MAN-MADE catastrophe is in motion. You cannot put the nuclear geni back in the bottle! It is not like any other catastrophe.



Whoa. tabasco Apr 2012 #1
.... DeSwiss Apr 2012 #2
Mankind makes a giant evolutionary leap! freshwest Apr 2012 #4
....backwards. DeSwiss Apr 2012 #72
...just like eating two bananas per day, right? PCIntern Apr 2012 #3
I do. It was disgusting. nt Poll_Blind Apr 2012 #5
Yes, it goes good with shredded wheat and milk. freshwest Apr 2012 #6
I fought with a bunch of them Aerows Apr 2012 #17
They are still shilling that crap Generic Other Apr 2012 #25
I finally went for the ignore function madokie Apr 2012 #41
Yes, I've followed Skinner's advice to make my DU experience *not* suck. freshwest Apr 2012 #73
Nuclear power is fine, but we need to move forward to fusion snooper2 Apr 2012 #99
It looks like kidneys and a spine in that graphic Aerows Apr 2012 #101
They haven't gone anywhere... PearliePoo2 Apr 2012 #26
Since you area dentist nadinbrzezinski Apr 2012 #104
To quote Richard Benjamin from Saturday Night Live's "The Pepsi Sydrome"... roamer65 Apr 2012 #7
I just feel so much despair when I read updates on Fukushima riderinthestorm Apr 2012 #8
Know how you feel... and can't help but wonder about that Mayan Calendar... BeHereNow Apr 2012 #78
A serious problem obscured by lurid exaggeration caraher Apr 2012 #9
But...but...the radioactive wave crossed the Pacific and wiped out all life on the west coast! jeff47 Apr 2012 #10
Where do you live, jeff47? nt Peace Patriot Apr 2012 #13
Relevance? jeff47 Apr 2012 #23
I hear people East of the Mississippi can multiple and subtract pretty well snooper2 Apr 2012 #100
Where do you live, caraher? nt Peace Patriot Apr 2012 #12
Peace, I suspect that you, like me and mine live on the west coast, California in particular.. Ecumenist Apr 2012 #15
If the OP is claiming the fate of the world is at stake, it doesn't matter NickB79 Apr 2012 #35
One thing you're overlooking MadHound Apr 2012 #14
Thank you, Madhound! 70 million curies, not over 70 years, but in weeks! Peace Patriot Apr 2012 #19
Fire only has a 10% uptake for fission products. Sirveri Apr 2012 #21
Please, stop, you're embarassing yourself MadHound Apr 2012 #42
You are a nuclear scientist! snooper2 Apr 2012 #102
Where do you live, Sirveri? Peace Patriot Apr 2012 #65
I live on the west coast. Sirveri Apr 2012 #66
The oceans have swallowed up entire reactors, not to mention several nucelar weapons AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #85
you ever put a drop of purple dye snooper2 Apr 2012 #103
delusional marshall gaines Apr 2012 #69
yes!!!!!!!!!!!! marshall gaines Apr 2012 #68
Very eloquently put, Peace Patriot LongTomH Apr 2012 #76
Plus, they are burning the radiation waste in Japan. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #91
Wow davidthegnome Apr 2012 #33
thank you marshall gaines Apr 2012 #52
Not sure where you got your numbers from... Dead_Parrot Apr 2012 #58
Yeah, that's right MadHound Apr 2012 #60
I'm referring to injected doses Dead_Parrot Apr 2012 #61
Thanks for putting it so simply and clearly - I wasn't really aware how bad this could get. nt bananas Apr 2012 #84
Could it not lead to mass starvation? Prometheus Bound Apr 2012 #16
Can't happen jeff47 Apr 2012 #24
Yep, laced with some ominous numbers to pump up the hyperbole. progressoid Apr 2012 #32
Of course, End Of The World chervilant Apr 2012 #38
+1000 nt LiberalEsto Apr 2012 #40
+ another 1000 Duppers Apr 2012 #62
Happy Happy Joy Joy: Missouri Seeks to Become Global Producer of Small Nuclear Reactors dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #94
Unremarkable blip, really, chervilant Apr 2012 #96
maybe it takes that rhetoric to get idiots to do something fascisthunter Apr 2012 #55
Like what? AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #87
oh.. I don't know... listen to others saying things might be worse than what is being reported fascisthunter Apr 2012 #90
Nukes are going to lose long term anyway. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #92
I Know.... I just wanted to answer your question. fascisthunter Apr 2012 #95
You missed what I posted up thread: dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #98
Less than half doesn't sound very viable to me. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #105
We are agreeing, actually. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #106
It could cause a significant rise in cancer rates obxhead Apr 2012 #44
It is clear to me that you don't know the correct protocol..... DeSwiss Apr 2012 #48
who marshall gaines Apr 2012 #50
HOLY SHIT a rational post. AtheistCrusader Apr 2012 #86
re: Fate of Japan and the Whole World Depends on No. 4 Reactor allan01 Apr 2012 #11
excellent marshall gaines Apr 2012 #67
K&R for a very informative thread. Permanut Apr 2012 #18
But but but malaise Apr 2012 #20
Scary stuff. n/t DLevine Apr 2012 #22
Relax, everybody, they're just venting a little steam. bvar22 Apr 2012 #27
+1000 Junkdrawer Apr 2012 #39
Well by gawd madokie Apr 2012 #51
hole marshall gaines Apr 2012 #53
eh? SammyWinstonJack Apr 2012 #88
Eggacxtly! DeSwiss Apr 2012 #70
Thanks, I miss my rock that I was living under...and the huge pile of sand where I bury my head. BeHereNow Apr 2012 #79
I predict that at least one person here dixiegrrrrl Apr 2012 #93
And you are correct. bvar22 Apr 2012 #97
There's no manual written for TEPCO on how to proceed. They are "winging" it. PearliePoo2 Apr 2012 #28
Good Grief! The world has been ignoring this and will pay big time flamingdem Apr 2012 #29
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2012 #30
De Nada..... DeSwiss Apr 2012 #71
German TV video regarding #4 flamingdem Apr 2012 #31
Well that's okay then..we know another earthquake in that region is highly unlikely... truebrit71 Apr 2012 #34
I agree, this is and always has been flamingdem Apr 2012 #36
Anyone concerned by the tons of spent fuel rods stored around the USofA? rhett o rick Apr 2012 #37
The benefit of nuke power is lost on me when this many people will be affected AllyCat Apr 2012 #43
Fukushima? sulphurdunn Apr 2012 #45
fuck... WillyT Apr 2012 #46
k&r... spanone Apr 2012 #47
mess marshall gaines Apr 2012 #49
where are the Big Mouth pro-Nuke Posters? fascisthunter Apr 2012 #54
Probably laughing at the over the top title. Zax2me Apr 2012 #56
there you are! fascisthunter Apr 2012 #57
Fukushima is that japanese for wormwood? leftyohiolib Apr 2012 #59
Oh, this is obviously not true. It would be all over the news if it was true. Besides, what's a Safetykitten Apr 2012 #63
Kick Duppers Apr 2012 #64
kick and rec.. AsahinaKimi Apr 2012 #74
This story may be starting to 'go viral' LongTomH Apr 2012 #75
... Mnemosyne Apr 2012 #77
k&r n/t RainDog Apr 2012 #80
If the futaba fault moves shimonitanegi Apr 2012 #81
I'm starting to think all the shouting about Iran is just a distraction from the REAL threat. BeHereNow Apr 2012 #82
Another motivation to move south ErikJ Apr 2012 #83
"Oh ye who place your faith in fire... unionworks Apr 2012 #89
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