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Cha

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60. "The Left and Right Are Both Wrong About Obama’s Bergdahl Prison Swap"
Sun Oct 12, 2014, 01:56 AM
Oct 2014

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"But the Bergdahl release has resurrected an attack from the anti-Gitmo left, the notion that, if the President can use a signing statement to justify the release of these five prisoners, then he can do so for all of the Gitmo detainees. If the President can “ignore the law” in this case, then why not do the same for the rest of the detainees? MSNBC’s Chris Hayes asked that very question, on behalf of anti-Gitmo activists, on his All In program Monday night, but the premise of that question relies on the same fundamental misunderstanding about signing statements that the right relies on. They’re both asserting that the President is using the signing statement to ignore the law. Here is what President Obama said about using signing statements in 2007, at a Montana town hall campaign event:

When Hayes played that clip last night, he cut it off when Obama said “we’re not going to use signing statements,” but the rest of that sentence is “as a way of doing an end-run around Congress.”

The President’s NDAA signing statement doesn’t do that, it seeks to preserve the will of Congress, with a very narrow, well-defined exception. The test of that exception isn’t settled by the signing statement, it is settled by the U.S. Constitution, and if it is challenged, by the Supreme Court. No one has said that the Bergdahl swap would not withstand such a challenge, but a wholesale release of Gitmo detainees likely would not.

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/06/right-left-attack-obama-signing-statement-rationale-bowe-bergdahl-swap/

Dear Mr. Scorpio, there are some DU'ers who are impervious to political reality KittyWampus Oct 2014 #1
+ 1000. Thank you! BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #7
+2 nt brer cat Oct 2014 #12
Well said...nt SidDithers Oct 2014 #15
+1 LostInAnomie Oct 2014 #17
i can tell when people think posting on DU and other sites is activism JI7 Oct 2014 #30
Well said! zappaman Oct 2014 #40
Perfectly stated flamingdem Oct 2014 #44
Much of the posting on DU is discouraging and defeatist IronLionZion Oct 2014 #63
The sad part is no one who blames Obama will admit they wrong davidpdx Oct 2014 #2
DU's Loud Crowd are not that interested in facts or truth emulatorloo Oct 2014 #3
Of all of the Obama "failures" this one... TreasonousBastard Oct 2014 #4
Everything is Obama fault madokie Oct 2014 #5
I've posted the story of not only this guy, but others for a long time. I don't bother anymore. The freshwest Oct 2014 #6
Hopefully historians will be more informed about what is going on in Congress today than most of jwirr Oct 2014 #8
If some loud ones on DU refuse to understand the vital role Congress plays in our government, BlueCaliDem Oct 2014 #9
Thank you. I'm glad you brought this up Jack Rabbit Oct 2014 #10
Wall Street Journal, Oct 10, 2014 JayhawkSD Oct 2014 #11
Exactly. Closing the camp isn't the problem, it's what to do with the existing prisoners. hughee99 Oct 2014 #13
I missed that. Did he stand for hours on end? PADemD Oct 2014 #14
K&r... spanone Oct 2014 #16
So now GOP campaign rhetoric is now taken as 'facts' and 'truth'. former9thward Oct 2014 #18
That's not where the problem lies. Igel Oct 2014 #19
A lot of people like to ignore that deficit issue. This is often ignored: Raine1967 Oct 2014 #39
Obama can't close it AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #20
The problem is that "I couldn't do (whatever) because Congress said no" Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #21
Nye Bevan post grammiepammie Oct 2014 #64
He could have done it by executive order, citing human rights violations AgingAmerican Oct 2014 #77
78 year old senator was going to talk for hours scarystuffyo Oct 2014 #22
Couldn't have President Obama pulled Gitmo's funding without Congress? nt ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #23
Wouldn't have the funds to send them elsewhwere. If the President could do this without the assholes Cha Oct 2014 #24
Wouldn't need the funds to send them elsewhere. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #25
From the link.. Cha Oct 2014 #27
Sure, but if President Obama said no more funding for Gitmo, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #29
President Obama wanted Gitmo CLOSED and Congress wouldn't Give him the MONEY. Cha Oct 2014 #31
Yes, but you're not understanding what I am saying. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #33
You don't get it. President Obama wanted Gitmo CLOSED and Congress wouldn't Give him the MONEY. Cha Oct 2014 #34
He doesn't need money to stop funding Gitmo. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #42
They need money to send the remaining ones who haven't passed review and been released.. Cha Oct 2014 #48
There are two things here that cost money. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #58
Who doesn't "get it"? If President wanted it closed, it'd be closed. He has a lot of options as rhett o rick Oct 2014 #55
You don't get it. Cha Oct 2014 #57
That would be political suicide Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #68
Americans wanted Gitmo shut down. ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #71
Picture a TV ad... Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #72
If President Obama was dumb, ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #74
There is no way to frame your proposal... Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #75
Frame it this way: ZombieHorde Oct 2014 #76
I will say that I agree he should've proposed location X Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #78
If you send the prisoners, some of whom have been held without charges for more than a decade hughee99 Oct 2014 #45
President Obama is releasing some of the prisoners after they have been reviewed. YOu don't just Cha Oct 2014 #47
They've been down to about 150 prisoners for quite some time now. 86 are cleared for release, hughee99 Oct 2014 #53
I've been saying the same thing, MrScorpio.. it's one of those things that's claimed by the Cha Oct 2014 #26
Willful ignorance or something else? Why would people from the supposed left lie about this LawDeeDah Oct 2014 #28
Seems like they want it to be the President's fault.. no matter what the facts are. Cha Oct 2014 #32
They want him to be Mr Magic Man.. presto it's closed! Doesn't work that way and you can't explain Cha Oct 2014 #37
Obama was not attempting to close the Gitmo prison. Maedhros Oct 2014 #35
Shush. progressoid Oct 2014 #56
They are only worried about the D-R scorecard, Maedhros Oct 2014 #61
That's quite a hit piece on Obama you've got there. Major Hogwash Oct 2014 #62
yup. this. nt m-lekktor Oct 2014 #65
Let him talk... kentuck Oct 2014 #36
Who Are the 55 Cleared Guantánamo Prisoners on the List Released by the Obama Administration? Cha Oct 2014 #38
Kick Cha Oct 2014 #41
Well someone here told me... sheshe2 Oct 2014 #43
Some facts, she.. "The Left and Right Are Both Wrong About Obama’s Bergdahl Prison Swap" Cha Oct 2014 #49
Yes Cha! sheshe2 Oct 2014 #52
Congessional cockroaches fadedrose Oct 2014 #46
Congress is a non-starter. The fact that the POTUS has had to go it alone because Rex Oct 2014 #50
I've seen that excuse used here by people who should know better. nt MADem Oct 2014 #51
No one made him make that promise. What made Obama think he do it? morningfog Oct 2014 #54
Who Are the 55 Cleared Guantánamo Prisoners on the List Released by the Obama Administration? Cha Oct 2014 #59
"The Left and Right Are Both Wrong About Obama’s Bergdahl Prison Swap" Cha Oct 2014 #60
John Boehner Wigs Out and Calls Obama Lawless For Trying to Close Illegal GITMO Prison Cha Oct 2014 #66
I'm fairly critical of the President, but this is one instance he was screwed by his own party Hippo_Tron Oct 2014 #67
Obama is far from innocent on Gitmo Reter Oct 2014 #69
((weeping)) Bully Pulpit!!! ((sobs)) Bully FREAKING pulpit!!!1 Number23 Oct 2014 #70
Well, its not like Congress promised to close it. aikoaiko Oct 2014 #73
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