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stevenleser

(32,886 posts) Sun Aug 17, 2014, 11:40 PM Aug 2014

I believe this is the incident that led to the ramping up of police weaponry and armament [View all]

The 1997 North Hollywood bank robbery where two suspects wearing body armor and using a car full of armor piercing bullets in AK-47 assault rifles outgunned local law enforcement for a considerable amount of time until S.W.A.T could be brought in. I am not saying I agree or disagree with this incident as justification, just that I seem to remember this is what started police units down the road of requesting higher powered weapons and armor.

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I believe this is the incident that led to the ramping up of police weaponry and armament [View all] stevenleser Aug 2014 OP

I could have sworn I had all Fox News 'contributors' on ignore but I guess I Purveyor Aug 2014 #1

There...fixed that. eom Purveyor Aug 2014 #2

Might have been clever if you were one of the first 500 people to raise that canard. stevenleser Aug 2014 #3

So what was the purpose other than to taunt another DUer? davidpdx Aug 2014 #6

I will always take the opportunity to 'taught' anyone that 'contributes' Purveyor Aug 2014 #8

I don't like Fox any more than you do davidpdx Aug 2014 #12

Thom Hartmann, Amy Goodman, Larry King are routinely 'called out' for their Purveyor Aug 2014 #15

I called stevenleser out on his Fox News appearances. joshcryer Aug 2014 #30

Remind me which one of those is a DU member? davidpdx Aug 2014 #40

Only Thom Hartmann uses his actual name on this forum with a post just Purveyor Aug 2014 #81

so at least you tacitly admit your post was only meant to "call someone out". KittyWampus Aug 2014 #49

stevelesser stopped appearing on RT when he became aware of the anti gay agenda, Thom and Amy Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #57

"taught" anyone? KittyWampus Aug 2014 #48

OH MY! I made a typo and you found it. I'm sure your day is complete now, eh? Purveyor Aug 2014 #67

People who do that are generally low self-esteem folks who feel powerless. stevenleser Aug 2014 #14

You have such insight into the minds of the little people, Steven Fumesucker Aug 2014 #18

+ 1000. eom BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #31

Last time I posted something similar to that it got hidden by jury (4-3). Electric Monk Aug 2014 #9

Oh well...shit happens. eom Purveyor Aug 2014 #10

Yes, shit happened. /nt pintobean Aug 2014 #13

What is wrong with going on Fox News as The Liberal? treestar Aug 2014 #77

I thought it was all due to the gang wars in LA in the 80s and early 90s. TheMightyFavog Aug 2014 #4

I'm sure many things played a role, but I seem to remember news stories at the time and several stevenleser Aug 2014 #5

9/11 changed everything. Rex Aug 2014 #32

That was an argument for greater gun control, not the militarization of police. Marr Aug 2014 #7

Right, but you can't do that. That's abridging the greatest freedom we have. stevenleser Aug 2014 #16

I Think You Have Something There, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2014 #11

i remember that well. the police couldn't stop them. spanone Aug 2014 #17

I watched that happen live all day in LA flamingdem Aug 2014 #19

Exactly, and I think there is a direct line between this event in 1997 and the militarization stevenleser Aug 2014 #22

I remember that and I am sure it played a part. Egnever Aug 2014 #20

I think you are right - Wikipedia entry agrees csziggy Aug 2014 #21

Huh. I didn't expect there to be such direct confirmation of my theory. stevenleser Aug 2014 #24

Steve it'd be great if your research came up with an aggregation of incidents you think KittyWampus Aug 2014 #50

This is something I really wish I could do. stevenleser Aug 2014 #66

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #23

I remember that event too. Dropping a bomb on the block. stevenleser Aug 2014 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Aug 2014 #27

I knew some cops who were involved in that, and they were seriously out-gunned CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2014 #26

Only the robbers and a dog were killed IIRC Recursion Aug 2014 #37

Welcome to the 20th century. Jenoch Aug 2014 #28

Who is Steven Leser and why does anyone care about Jenoch Aug 2014 #29

welcome to DU a DISCUSSION forum. People post things to discuss. Radical concept KittyWampus Aug 2014 #51

I don't have a time machine. I cannot make it so that this did not happen. And... stevenleser Aug 2014 #54

I watched it live. bravenak Aug 2014 #33

17 Years Ago Tribalceltic Aug 2014 #34

Stop Action_Patrol Aug 2014 #52

I still don't know what any police force is doing with an MRAP. n/t geomon666 Aug 2014 #35

You mean the incident where only the robbers were killed? Recursion Aug 2014 #36

The laws were written in 1990 and 1996, the robbers were probably inspired by the movie Heat jakeXT Aug 2014 #38

Woops! There it is: WOD. Much more plausible. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #63

It's about $$$ for the MIC BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #39

Exactly. If they cannot sell their weapons overseas avebury Aug 2014 #46

There's no IF; it is an AND BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #73

Not being able to kill some robbers quick enough once upon a time is a shit justification TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #41

See posts #21 and #54 stevenleser Aug 2014 #55

Yes and then add in massive Homeland Security grants and voila. aikoaiko Aug 2014 #42

1968: Chicago Police Riot. WinkyDink Aug 2014 #43

This reminds me I need to replace my 40. ileus Aug 2014 #44

They may be able to justify militarization in higly avebury Aug 2014 #45

Why? What's different about "urbanized" cities? What's a "highly urbanized" city, anyway? Demit Aug 2014 #53

I am thinking of the town with a population of under avebury Aug 2014 #58

So "highly urbanized" means "highly armed criminals" to you? Demit Aug 2014 #69

No. Highly urbanized mean a heck of a lot more avebury Aug 2014 #71

I read your link. How do you think militarized police would prevent bank robberies? Demit Aug 2014 #75

Your prior post seemed to allege that I was using racial avebury Aug 2014 #79

That sounded like a redundancy treestar Aug 2014 #78

I just wanted the poster to unpack it for me. Demit Aug 2014 #80

I was thinking the same thing. NaturalHigh Aug 2014 #47

does not explain "crowd control' weaponry G_j Aug 2014 #56

and since then how many times have they needed heavy armor and MRAP tanks? NightWatcher Aug 2014 #59

I agree. You certainly don't need them against the protesters we have seen in Ferguson. stevenleser Aug 2014 #60

Keep it for highly trained, County or State level divisions. IF they exist at all. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #61

That thought crossed my mind watching AgingAmerican Aug 2014 #62

You wanna arm cops like soldiers? Then train them like soldiers. SomethingFishy Aug 2014 #64

I agree. nt stevenleser Aug 2014 #65

Nah, Lesser, it's the WOD. But the WOD is "back burner," isn't it? Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #68

No, its all pretty much traceable back to this event. stevenleser Aug 2014 #70

Post hoc ergo propter hoc Electric Monk Aug 2014 #72

You're looking for spectaculars; the trend is much more mundane... Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #74

Something like that happening is a possibility and they want to be prepared for it treestar Aug 2014 #76