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In reply to the discussion: For the "let's wait for the facts" crowd. We already have several facts. [View all]cleduc
(653 posts)78. MohRokTah said 'For the "let's wait for the facts" crowd. We already have several facts.'
Next, let me expound on what @JoyAnnReid helped me clarify just now. Just speaking about facts here. No conjecture.
Officer Darren Wilson DID NOT write his own police report of the incident, but the report that was filed from the store references 2 reports
These 2 reports, filed by officers who were not actually at the scene of the murder, have not been released. We know little of them.
Here's a fact you missed: The St Louis County Police took over the investigation of the shooting at the request of the Ferguson Police shortly after the shooting. Therefore, there will be no Darren Wilson police report forthcoming from the Ferguson police. In fact, Wilson may only provide the St Louis County Police with a statement. And none of that is likely to be forthcoming anytime soon until the investigation is completed and maybe not until the Grand Jury has done it's business.
The 2 reports we got relate to the robbery - distinct from the subsequent shooting.
Whining about that isn't going to change the process.
MohRokTah also said
1. According to the Police Chief Officer Darren Wilson DID NOT know about the stolen cigars & all agree the stop was just about jaywalking.
But it's also a fact that Chief Jackson has subsequently said that Wilson knew of the robbery, saw the stolen cigars with Brown after he'd stopped him for jaywalking and joined the dots that Brown may have stolen them before the exchange between them completed. That's a key thing because if true, it would explain officer Wilson backing up up his cruiser and reengaging with Brown and why an altercation between them might have started.
MohRokTah also said
Beyond this sounding preposterous for 82 different reasons, the FACTS show that Mike Brown's body was found 35 feet from the SUV.
The FACTS suggest that Mike Brown ran 35 feet, then TURNED AROUND (as 4 eyewitnesses say) and was shot/killed in that very spot. Facts.
Are you tracking with me? Beyond zero eyewitnesses saying that he ran full speed at the fully armed officer, facts show he didn't.
"Beyond zero eyewitnesses saying that he ran full speed at the fully armed officer" ?
Really? I don't know about "full speed" but :
someone is contradicting the 4 witnesses on that audio
I wasn't there so I don't know which account is accurate. I'm trying to be objective.
And this:
http://danaloeschradio.com/alleged-friend-of-officer-darren-wilson-offers-his-side/
That's a little more murky because it's from a 3rd party via a right wing radio host who I do not care for. But I mention it because that may well be the position of the officer backed up by the audio above. It also alleges Brown turned and came at Wilson before he was fatally shot.
And the 35 feet may be how far Brown wound up away from the cruiser. It doesn't mean he could not have got 50 feet and turned around and come back. And the officer was allegedly in pursuit so they may have been only a few feet apart when the fatal and final shots rang out.
We don't have the ballistics and autopsy yet.
There's more to learn before passing judgement. That's about the only fact I can say heartily here.
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For the "let's wait for the facts" crowd. We already have several facts. [View all]
MohRokTah
Aug 2014
OP
Then you might want to rewrite the first fact to omit the reference to the cigarillos
Ms. Toad
Aug 2014
#36
Pretty much this now^^^ more of the I am OK and got mine ...wait as this becomes an acceptable
lunasun
Aug 2014
#47
Why do you give the word of one cop, with a history of abusive behavior, equal weight
nomorenomore08
Aug 2014
#82
Agreed. The police officer is still legally innocent until a jury decides otherwise.
NaturalHigh
Aug 2014
#94
So, anyone who ever agrees with the police about anything is, per se, a racist?
ColesCountyDem
Aug 2014
#19
No, but if you insist on giving them "the benefit of the doubt" despite a clear pattern
nomorenomore08
Aug 2014
#80
Other then some one photoshopped a colored flag into a black and white picture
FreakinDJ
Aug 2014
#62
If you give all these folks the benefit of the doubt, then why not Mike Brown?
nomorenomore08
Aug 2014
#83
Because it seems so hard for you to believe that anyone else did anything wrong.
nomorenomore08
Aug 2014
#88
If the peace officer has/had PTSD, fear, panic, he shouldn't have been an officer.
R B Garr
Aug 2014
#49
That's why I was curious about the length of time the sequence of shots occurred.
R B Garr
Aug 2014
#50
I suspect the fact digging has St. Louis-Ferguson establishment and law enforcement scared shitless.
gordianot
Aug 2014
#6
Since the police chief apparently has neo-confederate leanings, no surprise there.
MohRokTah
Aug 2014
#10
I think what they try to say is "let's wait for all the evidence" which is STUPID.
MohRokTah
Aug 2014
#28
All respect to you. With regard to #1, I'm almost certain now that Brown didn't steal anything, not
VanGoghRocks
Aug 2014
#33
Hmm, well, none of us have heard what Mr. Johnson actually has to say. We have
VanGoghRocks
Aug 2014
#92
MohRokTah said 'For the "let's wait for the facts" crowd. We already have several facts.'
cleduc
Aug 2014
#78
I have a feeling we're all going to be disappointed with the outcome here. N/t
Calista241
Aug 2014
#106