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134. Well, then you are biased! nt

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Michael Brown, Ferguson Victim Paid For His Rellos [View all] octoberlib Aug 2014 OP

CAn't really tell. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #1

Good observation Bluzmann57 Aug 2014 #4

oooh thank you!!! Quayblue Aug 2014 #6

I wonder if the clerk came around the counter because JaneyVee Aug 2014 #45

Do you think any of the so-called altercation might be about Brown's age to buy R B Garr Aug 2014 #46

I thought the altercation might have been over their ages JimDandy Aug 2014 #159

This makes a lot of sense! Great analysis. That seemed like a disagreement rather than R B Garr Aug 2014 #178

I've read that the clerk at the counter who handed him the Swisher Sweets aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #2

I believe per police report, the friend put what he was handed back on the counter. Shrike47 Aug 2014 #101

Yes, Johnson puts the unopened big box of cigarellos JimDandy Aug 2014 #169

The store owner says *they* did not call the cops. tblue37 Aug 2014 #175

If it turns out he paid .... earthside Aug 2014 #3

Probably that he punched the clerk and the officer. Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #5

They'll talk about how big he was. Overpowering. Incredible strength. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #92

Well, the cop thought that he might be a suspect in an alleged robbery. Jim__ Aug 2014 #7

as I understand it - LiberalElite Aug 2014 #10

Apparently, Wilson is going to claim he did know. Jim__ Aug 2014 #12

ugh. - LiberalElite Aug 2014 #114

This one as well cleduc Aug 2014 #142

At 6:28 of this video, this part seems clear cleduc Aug 2014 #150

Here's someone else's attempt to transcribe the audio cleduc Aug 2014 #152

Rodger Elliot who up loaded that video is DEAD FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #153

It seems to be a clip from BlackCanseco cleduc Aug 2014 #180

It was being mass emailed from Gun-nut websites this morning FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #181

"all the conjecture without proof is not compelling in my opinion" cleduc Aug 2014 #186

Wilson didn't know per the police chief's Blue_Roses Aug 2014 #23

According to Wilson's friend, Wilson is claiming he did know. Jim__ Aug 2014 #25

But, this is just a friend's word Blue_Roses Aug 2014 #27

If he knew why didn't he stop him and ask about a robbery instead of stopping him for walking in the kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #52

Actually, if you listen to the interview they talk about that. Jim__ Aug 2014 #61

Now, they are saying Wilson did not know Brown was a suspect when he first saw him. Hoyt Aug 2014 #127

You're assuming reality is important to them. jeff47 Aug 2014 #14

Your eyes are better than 840high Aug 2014 #40

And why wasn't this portion of the video released earlier? earthside Aug 2014 #8

It was, this isn't new video rudolph the red Aug 2014 #11

Well this changes the whole narrative a bit Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #9

This footage was in the initial release. Why are people thinking it's new? cui bono Aug 2014 #16

It is quite interesting that no news outlets showed it then Bjorn Against Aug 2014 #20

They did show it. That's how I saw it. cui bono Aug 2014 #36

No, it was not. The initial release only showed the shoving match, not the part at the counter. nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #26

Yes it was. I guess it just depends on where you saw the video. I saw the entire exchange on Friday. cui bono Aug 2014 #28

The initial release showed only Brown and Johnson entering the store and then the ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #41

That was posted on Friday. It came out before today. Two days ago. cui bono Aug 2014 #43

Cool. I mentioned on Friday, after the extended video surfaced, that it looked like maybe ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #49

In my state, government agents do pretend shopping trips to see if-- eridani Aug 2014 #193

You're right Politicalboi Aug 2014 #56

And that was done, IMO, to assassinate Brown's character by a PD steeped ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #65

Well one thing is for sure he does not have a box in his hand exboyfil Aug 2014 #90

And another thing for sure is that Dorian Johnson put that box back on the counter cui bono Aug 2014 #94

The police report puts the box as the value exboyfil Aug 2014 #99

I don't think the clerk did that. I think the police did it. cui bono Aug 2014 #102

Wow heads are going to roll if that is the case exboyfil Aug 2014 #104

I saw it posted as a pdf online, must have been on MSNBC or CNN. cui bono Aug 2014 #106

First time I've seen it and I have been paying close attention. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #39

Weird. I'm on the west coast and I was watching video of the conference that had happened while I cui bono Aug 2014 #42

Funny, West Coast here too and I was watching online. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #44

I think the confrontation with the clerk was not a clear-cut case of robbery but something ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #47

That is what it looks like to me too. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #50

Maybe Brown THOUGHT he fully paid for the cigars aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #53

Yes. Or Brown felt he was the one being cheated and took what he felt had had... ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #62

Could have been that the confrontation was over showing ID. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #82

Good catch, winter. I had not thought of that! Quite possible, indeed! nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #83

That's what I would guess is the most likely explanation for all this. JimDandy Aug 2014 #172

Maybe the clerk wanted some proof of his age, RebelOne Aug 2014 #126

Good point, RebelOne! nt ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #128

That varies by state. I think the age for tobacco in Missouri is 18. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #133

why the confrontation then Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #139

How olds Johnson? Alittleliberal Aug 2014 #160

Sounds reasonable. But Brown then should have left without them Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #161

No. bravenak Aug 2014 #177

No, tobacco can be purchased at age 18 in Missouri. JimDandy Aug 2014 #174

Yeah, we can't tell if he actually stole or not. cui bono Aug 2014 #13

wasn't that store destroyed by rioters a couple nights ago? CatWoman Aug 2014 #15

I think so, and then the people of the community helped clean it up. cui bono Aug 2014 #17

If there was no theft, the store owner wasn't justified in confronting Brown at the exit aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #19

Yeah. We can't tell what happened, and unfortunately for Brown it doesn't matter cui bono Aug 2014 #30

i bet that 911 call isnt about Mr. Brown Quayblue Aug 2014 #18

I've watched this video several time, at what point does he pay? rudolph the red Aug 2014 #21

on You Tube, found in the video description CatWoman Aug 2014 #22

Thanks rudolph the red Aug 2014 #24

Yep, and he certainly doesn't look in a hurry to get out of there. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #29

I can't see it. cui bono Aug 2014 #31

Look behind Brown as he straightens up from picking up the cigarello packages off the floor... JimDandy Aug 2014 #173

It looks like he is trying to give it back to Brown exboyfil Aug 2014 #103

If he's attempting to give the money back to Brown JimDandy Aug 2014 #176

If he handed his the tobacco prior to getting age verification then an infraction was committed. bravenak Aug 2014 #179

That's supposed to be the exact procedure all right. JimDandy Aug 2014 #183

We have problems up here with minor consumption. bravenak Aug 2014 #184

This message was self-deleted by its author JimDandy Aug 2014 #188

I wonder if the clerk refused to sell him cigars because he didnt have an ID Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #141

I hope the woman standing there toward the end of this video... OneGrassRoot Aug 2014 #32

So, it appears that Brown was involved in a small altercation at the store Live and Learn Aug 2014 #33

Don't get distracted Robbins Aug 2014 #34

I don't think we are distracted. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #63

Someone yesterday posed the question: if Brown's hands were full of cigars (or 'rellos'), then how VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #86

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I didn't hear that. When did he say that? What did he say? cui bono Aug 2014 #37

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Can't tell. 840high Aug 2014 #38

Umm, his friend who was there with him and also on the video has admitted that they stole them Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #48

Not much of a 'strong arm' robbery...but I'm sure the police called it that Rex Aug 2014 #51

By the law, it is "Strong Arm Robbery" or second degree theft because of the assault Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #55

Where was the assault? All I saw was 3 or 4 images...is there a video Rex Aug 2014 #57

Here Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #59

So pushing the guy out of his way so he could leave, is considered 'strong arm' robbery? Rex Aug 2014 #67

If you push someone aside to facilitate a theft, yes Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #73

Kinda like people that run from the cops imo. Rex Aug 2014 #74

Yep. I saw people turn a fine and maybe CS hours and turn it into years in jail Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #85

He is considered innocent until proven guilty. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #76

"Shopkeepers Privilege"- a store owner or clerk CAN keep you from leaving if they suspect theft Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #79

In some jurisdictions... Live and Learn Aug 2014 #84

Its that way in most every state, but here is the relevant MO statute Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #89

I'd nix you on reasonable grounds then Live and Learn Aug 2014 #95

Well most reasonable people udnerstand the law is what it says, not what you want it to be Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #97

Yep, there are a lot of bad defense attorneys out there Live and Learn Aug 2014 #98

an assault is just an offensive touching qazplm Aug 2014 #68

Well the officer that allegedly shot and killed Brown had no idea of the robbery at the time he Rex Aug 2014 #71

I doubt this even rises to the level of a criminal assault and battery aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #129

That meets the legal definition of assault. WillowTree Aug 2014 #140

It has always seemed like an odd thing for an attorney to admit to me. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #54

Something really fishy about this. Is that video of the same incident? What was in Brown's hands kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #58

And why didn't they look to be in a hurry? Live and Learn Aug 2014 #66

The pics I saw, were of the same man and Brown...but were NOT in that video. Rex Aug 2014 #70

and the person tweeting right after it happened somehow Schema Thing Aug 2014 #91

Schema, that's EXACTLY what I wanted to know.... HOW THE HELL did the person Ecumenist Aug 2014 #190

Maybe they have a scanner? countryjake Aug 2014 #191

I find that hard to believe because they NEVER mention that although they talk about what Ecumenist Aug 2014 #192

Can't find an MSNBC interview of attorney Freeman Bosley aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #105

One more time. WillowTree Aug 2014 #149

How much pressure was he under? n2doc Aug 2014 #112

The cops have bigger issues to deal with Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #143

Not so fast. Moosepoop Aug 2014 #146

This is the exact quote from Bosley's interview with Don Lemon: JimDandy Aug 2014 #187

In this video it looks like Politicalboi Aug 2014 #60

If he paid could that be why the Police Chief presented then discounted the video? gordianot Aug 2014 #64

One thing the video shows is that Brown couldn't have been convicted Live and Learn Aug 2014 #72

I could easily get an assault conviction of that video, probably the theft too Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #77

Not if I were on the jury. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #78

"your definition" of assault doesn't matter. The LAW matters Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #81

Brown didn't grab anyone by the throat. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #88

Has dashcam been released yet showing that? Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #93

Funny, I only saw a shirt tugged. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #96

Last Sunday, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson said there's no video... countryjake Aug 2014 #189

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ALLEGED thief. I guess you forgot that part. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #154

The LAW has never mattered to cops who are bent on getting a conviction... countryjake Aug 2014 #125

Thank you, countryjake! This needed to be said. BlueCaliDem Aug 2014 #130

+2 nt Live and Learn Aug 2014 #157

With your attitude, I doubt you'll ever serve on a jury. You seem very confused. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #117

So you've already convicted a dead man without a trial? Live and Learn Aug 2014 #118

No, I haven't convicted anyone. Starboard Tack Aug 2014 #120

All I said was that based on the video ALONE, Live and Learn Aug 2014 #122

Well, then you are biased! nt Logical Aug 2014 #134

I'd say the same about you. nt Live and Learn Aug 2014 #158

If my son or daughter was treated like that clerk was I would be pissed.... Logical Aug 2014 #162

Well at least I wouldn't be sending your child up river Live and Learn Aug 2014 #163

Who fucking said prison term? Link to where I said that. nt Logical Aug 2014 #164

That is the sentence for robbery. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #165

LOL, so let me get this straight, customers in your world.... Logical Aug 2014 #166

And in your world, nearly everyone would be in prison. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #167

Lol, where did I say prison? Link please! You are silly! nt Logical Aug 2014 #171

You would send an 18 year old to prison for 5 years for what we see in that video? alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #107

Exactly. Over zealous prosecutors are a big problem. nt Live and Learn Aug 2014 #109

For a first offense nobody is getting 5 years for that Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #110

If you don't think he deserves the minimum for Robbery 2, then you don't think it's Robbery 2 alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #113

You don't understand how a crime is judged Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #115

Would Michael Brown deserve 5 years in state prison alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #121

No, but as I said in the real world he wouldn't get it Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #124

Would you want your kid treated like that as a clerk? nt Logical Aug 2014 #135

Of course not alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #144

I agree, probation at the most. Nt Logical Aug 2014 #148

He would not go to jail for 5 years Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #145

Of course he wouldn't, but the charge on the incident report is Robbery 2 alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #147

You're not going to get an assault charge if there was a wrongful attempt to detain Brown aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #108

I already posted MO law, shopkeepers can detain if they suspect theft Lee-Lee Aug 2014 #111

The law is not as black and white as you are trying to depict it. Live and Learn Aug 2014 #119

If a shopkeeper is pushed aside by someone who turns out to be innocent of theft aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2014 #123

+1 nt Live and Learn Aug 2014 #168

I wonder if the clerk was trying to get ID from him csziggy Aug 2014 #69

It could even be that Brown had some ID but not a state ID card. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #87

I see where you're coming from... Quayblue Aug 2014 #156

And Michael Brown had no valid photo ID, according to police reports countryjake Aug 2014 #137

What does matter is that if my theory is true Mike Brown was no thief csziggy Aug 2014 #138

Dorian Johnson could easily provide the answer as to whether they had a problem with ID JimDandy Aug 2014 #185

Thank you for posting. I've updated my thread from yesterday to VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #75

He is interacting with the clerk, they are clearly having a discussion. Then, at :19, ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #80

I've worked in the retail industry. Mr.Bill Aug 2014 #100

That doesn't look like paying to me. Marr Aug 2014 #116

Except that Ferguson admitted, through his lawyer, that they stole them. n/t Ms. Toad Aug 2014 #131

Johnson (not Ferguson) admitted that they TOOK them alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #151

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I don't know that he didn't pay alcibiades_mystery Aug 2014 #195

What do you think is a reasonable penalty for shoplifting? nt cyberswede Aug 2014 #196

grabbed numerous packs of Swisher Sweets and turned to the leave the store. [redacted] calls “911”. w4rma Aug 2014 #155

kick whereisjustice Aug 2014 #170

Oops Kalidurga Aug 2014 #182

Why hasn't the media talked with this clerk? Not that it matters. You cannot shot an unarmed jwirr Aug 2014 #197

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