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Hissyspit

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Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:46 AM Aug 2014

Guardian UK - Robin Williams's Death: A Reminder that Suicide and Depression Are Not Selfish [View all]

http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flapping/2014/aug/12/robin-williams-suicide-and-depression-are-not-selfish

Robin Williams's death: a reminder that suicide and depression are not selfish

News of Robin Williams’s death due to apparent suicide, said to be a result of suffering severe depression, is terribly sad. But to say taking your own life because of such an illness is a ‘selfish’ act does nothing but insult the deceased, potentially cause more harm and reveal a staggering ignorance of mental health problems


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If you are such a person who has expressed these views or similar for whatever reason, here’s why you’re wrong, or at the very least misinformed, and could be doing more harm in the long run.

Depression IS an illness

Depression, the clinical condition, could really use a different name. At present, the word “depressed” can be applied to both people who are a bit miserable and those with a genuine debilitating mood disorder. Ergo, it seems people are often very quick to dismiss depression as a minor, trivial concern. After all, everyone gets depressed now and again, don’t they? Don’t know why these people are complaining so much.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again; dismissing the concerns of a genuine depression sufferer on the grounds that you’ve been miserable and got over it is like dismissing the issues faced by someone who’s had to have their arm amputated because you once had a paper cut and it didn’t bother you. Depression is a genuine debilitating condition, and being in “a bit of a funk” isn’t. The fact that mental illness doesn’t receive the same sympathy/acknowledgement as physical illness is often referenced, and it’s a valid point. If you haven’t had it, you don’t have the right to dismiss those who have/do. You may disagree, and that’s your prerogative, but there are decades’ worth of evidence saying you’re wrong.

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Depression is not “logical”

If we’re being optimistic, it could be said that most of those describing suicide from depression as selfish are doing so from a position of ignorance. Perhaps they think that those with depression make some sort of table or chart with the pros and cons of suicide and, despite the pros being far more numerous, selfishly opt for suicide anyway?

This is, of course, nonsensical. One of the main problems with mental illness is that is prevents you from behaving or thinking “normally” (although what that means is a discussion for another time). A depression sufferer is not thinking like a non-sufferer in the same way that someone who’s drowning is not “breathing air” like a person on land is. The situation is different. From the sufferers perspective, their self-worth may be so low, their outlook so bleak, that their families/friends/fans would be a lot better off without them in the world, ergo their suicide is actually intended as an act of generosity? Some might find such a conclusion an offensive assumption, but it is no more so than accusations of selfishness.

The “selfish” accusation also often implies that there are other options the sufferer has, but has chosen suicide. Or that it’s the “easy way out”. There are many ways to describe the sort of suffering that overrides a survival instinct that has evolved over millions of years, but “easy” isn’t an obvious one to go for. Perhaps none of it makes sense from a logical perspective, but insisting on logical thinking from someone in the grips of a mental illness is like insisting that someone with a broken leg walks normally; logically, you shouldn’t do that.

Stephen Fry, in his interview on Richard Herring’s podcast, had a brilliant explanation about how depression doesn’t make you think logically, or automatically confide in friends and family. I won’t spoil it by revealing it here, but I will say it involves genital warts.

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KNR joeybee12 Aug 2014 #1
Thank you for posting this. enlightenment Aug 2014 #2
"I know that they have a lack of empathy that borders on its own pathology" LordGlenconner Aug 2014 #20
Okay - enlightenment Aug 2014 #25
Boy... is this article welcome and needed. hlthe2b Aug 2014 #3
k and r big-time. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #4
That word is disgusting LittleBlue Aug 2014 #5
This article is just plain wrong. Shemp Howard Aug 2014 #6
suicide is antithetical to selfishness as it illustrates anything but care to oneself. LanternWaste Aug 2014 #18
I just don't get how people misunderstand that one crucial point. Rex Aug 2014 #19
You are wrong passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #22
You missed my point. Shemp Howard Aug 2014 #24
You need to find a better word passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #26
I think you're right! Shemp Howard Aug 2014 #27
why is their temporary pain more important than his life-time of pain? passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #28
Why do you assume the survivor's pain will be temporary? Shemp Howard Aug 2014 #32
I'm very sorry for your loss and your Grandmother's (in-law?) pain and loss passiveporcupine Aug 2014 #33
Very thoughtful post, thanks. Shemp Howard Aug 2014 #34
No more selfish than refusing chemotherapy when you have cancer uppityperson Aug 2014 #40
This should be added to that offensive thread from last night malaise Aug 2014 #7
Todd Bridges said this on TMZ madashelltoo Aug 2014 #8
Yes, depression is a disease, however, rickyhall Aug 2014 #9
They saved my life get the red out Aug 2014 #11
Can I live with you if I go off my meds? hunter Aug 2014 #15
That sounds very familar davidpdx Aug 2014 #39
I think it depends on the person and situation laundry_queen Aug 2014 #16
My meds keep me alive, it is NOT the placebo effect nt steve2470 Aug 2014 #17
ummmmm fascisthunter Aug 2014 #36
When someone calls it "selfish" get the red out Aug 2014 #10
It may seem paradoxical ... Shoonra Aug 2014 #12
Recommend nt Zorra Aug 2014 #13
Thanks for this Hissy. progressoid Aug 2014 #14
Shame that we have to cross the pond for common sense from the media NightWatcher Aug 2014 #21
Suicide is not selfish. It is the result of someone being in such overwhelming pain they can no... EEO Aug 2014 #23
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #29
I once had myself convinced suicide was the logical thing to do. I mean totally. brewens Aug 2014 #30
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2014 #31
Let us go fascisthunter Aug 2014 #35
k&r LeftishBrit Aug 2014 #37
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Aug 2014 #38
I'm a recent suicide attempt survivor Victor_c3 Aug 2014 #41
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