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23. None of this should be unexpected:
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 09:50 PM
Aug 2014

A caliphate (in Arabic: خلافة? khilāfa, meaning "succession&quot is an Islamic state led by a supreme religious and political leader known as a caliph – i.e. "successor" – to Muhammad. The succession of Muslim empires that have existed in the Muslim world are usually described as "caliphates". Conceptually, a caliphate represents a sovereign polity (state) of the entire Muslim faithful (the Ummah, i.e. a sovereign nation state) ruled by a single caliph under the Constitution of Medina and Islamic law (sharia).[citation needed]

In its earliest days, the first caliphate, the Rashidun Caliphate, exhibited elements of direct democracy (shura).[1] It was led, at first, by Muhammad's immediate disciples and family as a continuation of the religious systems he had introduced.

The Sunni branch of Islam stipulates that as a head of state, a caliph should be elected by Muslims or their representatives.[2] Followers of Shia Islam, however, believe a caliph should be an Imam chosen by God (Allah) from the Ahl al-Bayt (the "Family of the House", Muhammad's direct descendents). From the end of the Rashidun period until 1924, caliphates, sometimes two at a single time, real and illusory, were ruled by dynasties. The first of these was the Umayyad dynasty, followed by the several other sometimes competing claimants and finally the Ottoman dynasty. Though non-political, the Ahmadiyya Caliphate had been the only caliphate in existence for over a century. In 2014, the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant proclaimed another.[3]

The caliphate was "the core leader concept of Sunni Islam, by the consensus of the Muslim majority in the early centuries".[4]


Look at all the countries we are talking about today. Israel, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and the little alphabet nations there.

Note the Ottoman Empire at its height. We're talking about all of the current nations as well as those that bordered it now:

Ottoman Empire (/ˈɒtəmən/; Ottoman Turkish: دَوْلَتِ عَلِيّهٔ عُثمَانِیّه, Devlet-i Aliyye-i Osmâniyye, Modern Turkish: Osmanlı İmparatorluğu), also historically referred to as the Turkish Empire or Turkey, was an empire founded by Oghuz Turks under Osman Bey in north-western Anatolia in 1299.[7] With the conquest of Constantinople by Mehmed II in 1453, the Ottoman state was transformed into an empire.[8][9][10]

During the 16th and 17th centuries, in particular at the height of its power under the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent, the Ottoman Empire was a powerful multinational, multilingual empire controlling much of Southeast Europe, Western Asia, the Caucasus, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa.[11] At the beginning of the 17th century the empire contained 32 provinces and numerous vassal states. Some of these were later absorbed into the empire, while others were granted various types of autonomy during the course of centuries.[dn 5]

With Constantinople as its capital and control of lands around the Mediterranean basin, the Ottoman Empire was at the centre of interactions between the Eastern and Western worlds for six centuries. The empire was dissolved in the aftermath of World War I, leading to the emergence of the new state of Turkey in the Ottoman Anatolian heartland, as well as the creation of modern Balkan and Middle Eastern states.[12]


As the Ottoman Empire collapsed, the Armenian Genocide occured and other nations were made. The Russians are tending to historical factions there.

That eventually included the state of Israel. Contrary to a mantra often repeated, Israel was not a gift from Europe and the USA for Nazi atrocities.

It had been contemplated in 1917:


And also in 1926:


True, it was an European creation, but so were most of the other countries that evolved out of the fall of the Ottoman Empire. It just so happened that the rulers were different, is all that happened to that huge chunk of the world's surface. Looking at it in those terms explains the resistance of the parties involved to listen to the United Nations. Their viewpoint extends many centuries beyond the founding of that organization, or even the definitions of the nation state.

One side pushed one way over centuries, and then the other pushed back. We have movements in all the western nations, Russia, China, the islands and in the Americas that call for a world caliphate. This is not a conspiracy theory. It's how people organize themselves for what they think is a good thing.

Those who believe in setting up or expanding a caliphate believe it is a great plan to bring about world peace. There are costs along the road to empire. ISIL is showing us what they'll be. They want to bring back that empire and their version of peace in which all the people will agree on everything they say is the right thing to do.

The caliphate(s) once extended further and was contracted only by armed resistance. It was during long, bloody centuries. IMO, America is much too young to grasp this.

Our idea of how those regions in the two images here should fit onto a map, is not theirs. It was only a temporary hold. They have historical precedent for what they are doing. The more lands they can put in their resurrected empire, the more influence they'll have around the globe to establish their peace.

I don't know if they are right or if they will prevail. I've talked to eager young people online who think it's beautiful and promote it with messianic zeal, very happy to convert others to what they think is a good and holy thing.

It makes sense to those who believe in this. Those who don't, either accept their doing it or oppose it or try to escape it. I've known people from Egypt, Lebanon and other nations who moved to the USA to get away.

Some Americans say nothing will change their own lives. They may be right about it all. But I think they're unrealistic, because in history people don't stop wanting because other ignore their movement. That's not how the world works in the long term.

There always seems to be something amiss in periods of peace. A lack of justice, most likely, so people continue to make war with each other.

Just a few things to consider without any judgment on my part and I doubt anything I could do would change the outcome of these things. And some may not even respect Wikipedia, either.

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #1
Syria---> Iraq----> Lebanon (----> Jordan?) Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #2
I believe Isis needs to be stopped as well. n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #3
Update: Syria---> Iraq----> Lebanon ----> Jordan------>ISRAEL Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #7
What are they doing in Israel, do you have a link? n/t Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #8
There is some thought that thats in their plans. Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #9
Lets hope the go for Israel, that's one problem that would solve itself.. EX500rider Aug 2014 #20
k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Aug 2014 #4
Hezbollah will stop them LittleBlue Aug 2014 #5
ISIS Invades Lebanon, Hezbollah Steps Back Rhinodawg Aug 2014 #6
Weird. I was just reading on twitter that they killed 250 ISIS LittleBlue Aug 2014 #11
and their masterplan is? Baclava Aug 2014 #10
What strikes me as funny is if this ISIS org is really truedelphi Aug 2014 #12
The whole thing smells fishy to me, honestly. I trust no one at this point. arcane1 Aug 2014 #13
oh yeah! - ISIS is a CIA/Jew plot to take over the Iraqi oil fields! Baclava Aug 2014 #14
Wow, that was a colossally ignorant thing to say. arcane1 Aug 2014 #15
I only reflect the ignorance around me Baclava Aug 2014 #16
And I'm an anti-semite because I don't know which media source to trust. arcane1 Aug 2014 #17
so tell me about this grand ISIS worldwide plot Baclava Aug 2014 #19
Here s a comment from a friend of mine on FB - truedelphi Aug 2014 #22
believe what you want - Facebook posts are beyond my security level Baclava Aug 2014 #25
Here is an article, originating as a Reuters stringer file, indicating that truedelphi Aug 2014 #26
There's them damn crickets again ReRe Aug 2014 #31
I am thinking that the a-semite term has been so totally over-used that truedelphi Aug 2014 #24
There is something weird going on, but I am ballyhoo Aug 2014 #29
A direct attack on Israel from where? oberliner Aug 2014 #18
Well, I have been told that it only took 19 Muslims with box cutters truedelphi Aug 2014 #42
They have a much different approach to airline security over there oberliner Aug 2014 #49
Why? Igel Aug 2014 #21
Killing the "wrong" Muslims is just as important to them hack89 Aug 2014 #50
None of this should be unexpected: freshwest Aug 2014 #23
Okay, you had to get scary... ballyhoo Aug 2014 #32
History is scary. The unknown is scary. The world is an unsafe place. No sweat. freshwest Aug 2014 #35
THAT... ReRe Aug 2014 #33
I consider the history of the world that I've learned from stories at DU, whether I agree with them, freshwest Aug 2014 #38
"Agree or don't agree..." ReRe Aug 2014 #48
I respect it and appreciate your compiling of historical precedent for what The Islamic State say ancianita Aug 2014 #46
Excellent post. Laelth Aug 2014 #51
Could PNAC be funding ISIS? woodsprite Aug 2014 #27
I'm asking that question now on ballyhoo Aug 2014 #34
Success = Smart. And it ain't all about 'Murika, unless we made China take over Tibet, etc. freshwest Aug 2014 #41
Excellent, freshwest. If you're not too busy tomorrow could you tell ballyhoo Aug 2014 #43
Sorry, that's untrue from the get go. PBO did not say only if American forces were attacked. freshwest Aug 2014 #44
Snark? Okay, see ya.... ballyhoo Aug 2014 #45
The video does more than criticize Obama. It points out that the USA most undoubtedly truedelphi Aug 2014 #52
Many people trying to put together the pieces of the international puzzle keep coming up truedelphi Aug 2014 #36
Only if PNAC was created in the Middle Ages, I think... freshwest Aug 2014 #40
What's a good villain without a master plan? tclambert Aug 2014 #28
Go Pinkie! I think... freshwest Aug 2014 #39
setting Syria on fire was a mistake ...nt quadrature Aug 2014 #30
My mom is in Lebanon right now visiting relatives Tony_FLADEM Aug 2014 #37
I have to take leaders of the proclaimed caliphate at their word, whether other Muslims doubt him or ancianita Aug 2014 #47
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