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fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
51. It's a codependent relationship
Thu Jul 31, 2014, 12:02 AM
Jul 2014

Throughout the Cold War Israel did play a role as a proxy state in the region, counter to the Soviet backed Arab states. It was useful in terms of its strategic location and as a conduit for arms to other states in the region (Iran-Contra!). But aside from the Cold War geopolitics, Israel has historically seemed like a much less "foreign" country than the Arab states to the casual American viewer.

Culturally and religiously, Israel is more familiar to the average American than the Arab states. Most Christians, especially in the US are much more familiar with Judaism than Islam. Jews have been in the US since before the American Revolution. The US has also been seen historically as a haven for many Jews that were persecuted throughout Europe and Russia. Jews did face discrimination in the US, but in spite of that many were able to rise to prominence in government, academia, finance, the media, and the sciences. And of course some of them did play a crucial role in the Zionism movement. The Holocaust also made the cause more sympathetic and understandable - and there were great religious undertones for evangelical Christians as well, who in latter years especially have become very supportive of Israel. And it was mostly bipartisan. Jews were a crucial part of the New Deal coalition as well. So the state had unwavering support of Democrats, with only slightly less enthusiastic support of Republicans (Eisenhower did try reigning them and the French in during the Suez Canal conflict in the '50s). It was not really until GW. Bush that the GOP was viewed as the uber-pro Israeli party.

Yes, there has also been a fair amount of propaganda as well. The Israelis at first seemed like the underdog, fighting back against the entire Arab world.

US familiarity with Islam is much more recent, and the perception is much more negative. Much of the impression grew out of the Arab-Israeli conflict, during an era in which the PLO hijacked airplanes and went after other Western targets, including the Munich Olympics. Then there was the Iranian Revolution, which had a major impact on how Americans saw Islam. Following that there was The civil war in Lebanon (where American Marines were killed) and Libya Pan Am bombing, the First Gulf War (remember, Iraq had launched scuds into Israel at one point) and a whole bunch of other terrorist attacks culminating with 9/11, that to many, made Israel look even more like a victim of fundamentalists hell bent on destroying western civilization.

Israel, on the surface looks more like a European nation, where women in bikinis hang out at the beach and it has a parliament (remember, "They hate us for our freedoms!&quot . Granted all this hides the ugly and fundamental fact that the Israelis are an occupying power, controlling the territory and resources of the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. The settlements have also expanded, which have made Israel less and less democratic as it rules over an increasingly repressed people. This is the ugly truth.

It's complicated atreides1 Jul 2014 #1
It's simply complicated..... o complicatedly simple. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2014 #6
I have been wondering this for decades. hifiguy Jul 2014 #2
What gets my goat is that the range of debate is so narrow el_bryanto Jul 2014 #3
oh yeah--even the critic is Jewish themselves. yurbud Jul 2014 #7
Good point, it makes me wonder Babel_17 Jul 2014 #35
I was told it is because Israel holds a great percent of the world wealth. misterhighwasted Jul 2014 #4
Your friend doesn't know what he's talking about. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #14
Ha.well I've said those same words to him on several of our discussions, so I'll just leave it there misterhighwasted Jul 2014 #31
..but then farther down to POST #30..may explain what my friend was referring to. misterhighwasted Jul 2014 #32
The wealth of a nation is essentially determined by productive capacity (GDP) Cali_Democrat Jul 2014 #34
Yep. They let you in on the 'secret' - COLGATE4 Jul 2014 #38
Our Israel Policy is unanimously supported by MineralMan Jul 2014 #5
supported is one thing, but allowing the appearance of letting Israel take the lead yurbud Jul 2014 #8
I'm not seeing Israel taking the lead. MineralMan Jul 2014 #11
The condemnation says attack not the Israel attack upaloopa Jul 2014 #15
Obama and Kerry to a lesser degree are taking the reins a bit more, but if it was any other yurbud Jul 2014 #16
If you're curious, you might read some history. MineralMan Jul 2014 #17
I've done quite a bit of reading on it, and the minuses seem to nearly outweigh pluses yurbud Jul 2014 #39
a lot of the stated reasons for policies are very different from the real ones yurbud Jul 2014 #45
When they build new settlements even as we are trying to negotiate peace... yurbud Jul 2014 #43
And Congress is unanimously paid by AIPAC. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #20
I think a lot of the idea comes from the idea that upaloopa Jul 2014 #9
Israel HELPS guide our foreign policy with respect to Israel, closeupready Jul 2014 #10
Helps? Let's compare how we treated France after they refused to join the Iraq War yurbud Jul 2014 #54
most Americans are not aware of the history of the creating of Israel La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2014 #12
i often see gays blindly support israel because it is "pro gay" m-lekktor Jul 2014 #24
Did you know there are thousands of American born Jews who volunteer for the Israeli Army? Avalux Jul 2014 #13
One can serve, and to say our "loyalty" are ONLY with Israel is not true. SQUEE Jul 2014 #19
So you've served. Thanks for replying... Avalux Jul 2014 #23
I also came HOME SQUEE Jul 2014 #25
I appreciate your honesty.... Avalux Jul 2014 #33
Israel is in some ways an extension of the U.S. Enrique Jul 2014 #18
Many Israelis made aliyah (emigrated) from U.S. Jewish strongholds KamaAina Jul 2014 #21
An extension... like the tail that wags the dog. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #22
Religion, culture, pragmatism, and guilt Matrosov Jul 2014 #26
the less foreign argument makes sense. Israel could not have engaged in the military operations yurbud Jul 2014 #40
When you win, your side's terror organizations, i.e. the Irgun HereSince1628 Jul 2014 #46
Older Americans were raised on an incredible amount of Israeli propaganda 4now Jul 2014 #27
Most Americans simply don't care and the corporate media helps keep it that way. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #28
It is actually very simple...we are Israel's "bitch" Swede Atlanta Jul 2014 #29
This is one hell of a doozy of a post oberliner Jul 2014 #49
"the Jews killing innocent civilians in Gaza" countryjake Jul 2014 #50
What the fuck is this bullshit? ismnotwasm Jul 2014 #53
Careful, ismnotwasm. countryjake Jul 2014 #55
Very Simple kcjohn1 Jul 2014 #30
this would imply that rich Jews have different motivations from other rich people yurbud Jul 2014 #42
It will take a couple more generations to change that tularetom Jul 2014 #36
there is something to that. yurbud Jul 2014 #41
Because it has something to do with religion. randome Jul 2014 #37
I think the TV media is probably a very large reason. Trillo Jul 2014 #44
All that average Americans hear is our MSM's propaganda... countryjake Jul 2014 #47
I tend to think of the strategic value too, but again, that comes at a heavy price yurbud Jul 2014 #48
It's a codependent relationship fujiyama Jul 2014 #51
good points all. yurbud Jul 2014 #56
Melani McAlister says since '76 we've seen them as a proxy--someone that can do what we want to do MisterP Jul 2014 #52
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