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In reply to the discussion: Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s Twisted Anti-Vaxx History [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)75. Because I would be playing into my political enemies' hands. See, I'm a Democrat.
And I remember Democrats like Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.'s father and uncle. They worked to bring peace and prosperity to ALL Americans.
Something else: I heard RFK, Jr. speak in Detroit a few years back.
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. called George W Bush "that sonofabitch" and said the guy was a crook, turning over the government to the lobbyists and gangsters who've emptied our Treasury, polluted our water, land, air and children, and used humanity as cannon fodder and slave labor.
He also pegged ABCNNBCBSFoxNoiseNutwork for what they are. Among other things, he called Antonin Scalia the son of a Nazi and explained why. I would've taken notes, but I wanted to hear everything the guy said.
Georgia law professor emeritus Donald E. Wilkes:
DESTINY BETRAYED:
THE CIA, OSWALD, AND
THE JFK ASSASSINATION
Published in Flagpole Magazine, p. 8 (Dec. 7, 2005).
Author: Donald E. Wilkes, Jr., Professor of Law, University of Georgia School of Law.
In place of the strong sense of faith in man and mankind, we now have a heavy feeling of a failed mission, of destiny betrayed and unfulfilled. Rav Alex Israel
The deepest cover story of the CIA is that it is an intelligence organization. Bulletin of the Federation of American Scientists
Today, 42 years after President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963, few responsible researchers who have studied JFKs murder accept the Warren Commissions main conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, committed the crime. (The Warren Commission was the body appointed by President Lyndon B. Johnson to investigate the Kennedy assassination; it released its Report in September 1964.) As these researchers have shown again and again in scores of books and articles, evidence available to the Commission but improperly evaluated, erroneously rejected, or simply not pursued by that body, together with new evidence unavailable to the Commission, discredits the principal finding of the Warren Report. JFKs death was, these researchers believe, carried out by a conspiracy; it was not the act of a lone assassin. Different researchers, however, have different conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theorists also disagree about Oswald: some maintain that he was simply one of the conspirators; others claim that, while he was a member of the conspiracy, he was also unknowingly a dupe of the other conspirators who intended for him to be the fall guy; and still other theorists think that Oswald was a wholly innocent person set up by the conspirators as the patsy. Furthermore, the theorists who regard Oswald as a conspirator disagree as to whether he fired any of the shots in Dealey Plaza.
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The theory that JFKs murder was engineered by the CIA (or by persons affiliated with the CIA), and that the CIA covered up its connections to the murder, warrants serious consideration and should not be peremptorily rejected. In the 1960s the CIA more resembled an untouchable crime syndicate than a legitimate government entity. Lavishly but secretly funded, unrestrained by public opinion, cloaked in secrecy, conducting whatever foreign or domestic clandestine operations it wished without regard to laws or morals, and specializing in deception, falsification, and mystification, the CIA was riddled at all levels with ruthless, cynical officials and employees who believed that they were above the law, that any means were justified to accomplish the goals they set for themselves, and that insofar as their surreptitious activities were concerned it was justifiable to lie with impunity to anyone, even presidents and legislators. Many of these individuals, thinking he was soft on communism, that he would reduce the size of the military industrial complex, and that he was to blame for the Bay of Pigs disaster (the failed CIA-sponsored invasion of Cuba in 1961), hated and despised Kennedy. The CIA routinely circumvented and defied attempts by the executive and legislative branches to monitor its activities. It was involved in innumerable unlawful or outrageous activities. It illegally opened the mail of Americans. It interfered with free elections in foreign countries and arranged to destabilize or overthrow the governments of other countries. It plotted the murder of various foreign leaders. It arranged to hire the Mafia to help with some of these proposed murder plots. It unlawfully storedin quantities, UGA political science professor Loch K. Johnson notes, sufficient to destroy the population of a small cityexotic toxic agents, including cobra venom and shellfish toxin, for the purpose of committing murders. It manufactured and used sinister lethal weaponry, including what Prof. Johnson calls the ultimate murder weapon, an electric handgun (the CIA called it a noise-free disseminator) with a telescopic sight which could noiselessly and accurately fire poison-tipped darts (the CIA called them nondiscernible microbioinoculators) up to a distance of 250 feet. It undoubtedly carried out multiple secret murders and other heinous crimes which it successfully kept hidden. Furthermore, it is now firmly established that after the JFK assassination the CIA simultaneously lied to, and withheld important information from, the Warren Commission.
One of the first serious investigators to raise credible claims that CIA operatives or ex-CIA operatives were involved in the JFK assassination was Jim Garrison, who served as the district attorney in New Orleans, Louisiana from 1962 to 1974. (A brief chronology of Garrisons life and investigation is set forth at the end of this article.) Garrison and his office investigated the assassination for about five years, from late 1966 until early 1971. His investigation led Garrison to believe that, regardless of whoever actually fired the shots in Dealey Plaza, the assassination was the result of a plot hatched in New Orleans by persons with CIA connections. Furthermore, Garrison concluded, following the assassination the CIA engaged in a coverup to protect itself and the assassins. Garrison brought to trial the only criminal proceeding in which someone was actually charged with involvement in the JFK assassination. Garrison wrote two important books, the first published in 1970, the second in 1988, in which he recounted his investigation and shared the important new facts he had discovered.
In the words of journalist Fred Powledge, who wrote a magazine article on Garrison published in 1967, Garrison thought that the assassins were CIA employees who were angered at President Kennedys posture on Cuba following the Bay of Pigs disaster, and that the CIA was frustrating his investigation, although the agency knew the whereabouts of the assassins. Philosophy professor Richard H. Popkin, in another magazine article published in 1967, summarized Garrisons views on the assassination as follows: The thesis Garrison has set forth is that a group of New Orleans-based, anti-Castroites, supported and/or encouraged by the CIA in their anti-Castro activities, in the late summer or early fall of 1963 conspired to assassinate John F. Kennedy. This group, according to Garrison, included (Clay) Shaw, (David) Ferrie, (Lee Harvey) Oswald, ... and others, including Cuban exiles and American anti-Castroites.... (T)heir plan was executed in Dallas on November 22, 1963. At least part of their motivation ... was their reaction to Kennedys decisions at the Bay of Pigs and the changes in U.S. policy toward Cuba following the missiles crisis of 1962.
In a 1967 interview, Garrison himself phrased his basic conclusions this way: (A) number of the men who killed the President were former employees of the CIA involved in its anti-Castro underground activities in and around New Orleans.... We must assume that the plotters were acting on their own rather than on CIA orders when they killed the President. As far as we been able to determine, they were not on the pay of the CIA at the time of the assassination.... The CIA could not face up to the American people and admit that its former employees had conspired to assassinate the President, so from the moment Kennedys heart stopped beating, the Agency attempted to sweep the whole conspiracy under the rug.... In this respect, it has become an accessory after the fact in the assassination.
CONTINUED...
http://www.law.uga.edu/dwilkes_more/jfk_22destiny.html
Prof. Wilkes' bibiliography is an excellent survey of what was available at the time of his writing that article. Several new works have been published since. I'll try to get back and recommend them to you when I get the time. The point is I stand with the Kennedys. And Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. called Antonin Scalia a fascist and called George Bush a "son of a bitch." I feel he is correct on both of those counts.
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It's only character assassination to idiots who believe thimerosal causes autism...
SidDithers
Jul 2014
#2
Well, let me explain. As you said, 'the scientists who accept money to whore themselves on
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#141
'Scientists' said that about Al Gore too, but I don't recall Democrats doing so, when he tried to
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#138
As someone who hasn't been following this, the smear campaign against a good Democrat right
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#129
'has as much validity as' Al Gore maybe, on Climate Change? Or do you think he was
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#140
But Scandinavian researchers, who agree that Climate Change is F___ing the planet,
truedelphi
Aug 2014
#197
The organization. The focus. The repetition. The organization. The focus. The repetition...
Octafish
Jul 2014
#24
So you expect people to believe what someone says just because they're a Democrat?
hobbit709
Jul 2014
#20
That's what Climate Deniers said to me about Al Gore 'you're just a cheerleader for
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#144
Sure, you can mock whoever you like if you think it's effective in proving anything. I'm just
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#154
Point to them? They're clearly obvious, except to those who do not wish to see them.
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#163
No. And I certainly don't agree when I see DUers work to disgrace the man's name.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#71
Because I would be playing into my political enemies' hands. See, I'm a Democrat.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#75
Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy believed President Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy.
Octafish
Jul 2014
#11
Where did you see that on television or the newspapers? Saw a lot of crapola like SS man shot JFK...
Octafish
Jul 2014
#26
I'm talking about RFK Jr. and his dangerous views on childhood vaccinations...
SidDithers
Jul 2014
#40
Thiomerosal was removed from childhood vaccines because of public pressure, not because of science..
SidDithers
Jul 2014
#30
As reported by WaPo article controversial chapters were DELETED from the book so title is misleading
proverbialwisdom
Jul 2014
#85
I'm allergic to thimerosal it is a preservative made out of Mercury it is still in MOST flu shots!
Omaha Steve
Jul 2014
#29
It would be an incredible mental and emotional hurdle for prominent Anti-vaxxers to recant...
devils chaplain
Jul 2014
#31
And all for profit- he developed his own vaccines. To sell his, he had to cast doubt on the old.
X_Digger
Jul 2014
#104
"What will it take to make him stop?" Why is it so important to you to make people stop?
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#55
You don't think RFK Jr. should be stopped from promoting a dangerously wrong ideology?...
SidDithers
Jul 2014
#56
To me you seem to be obsessed with "stopping" anyone that doesn't march to your ideology.
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#62
"Liberals provide alternate arguments in lieu of stopping or censoring discussion."
alp227
Jul 2014
#91
Of course the rationalization for censoring...."it's shitty". And it's always "shitty" if it don't
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#92
First of all only a very small fraction of posts/OPs that are hidden or locked pertain to those
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#95
IMO a liberal understands that nothing is absolute. If we start off with "IMO RFK jr. is pushing.."
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#155
Wow, Zappaman, I can't seem to shake you. But I am flattered by the attention.
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#160
Oh hi Sid. YOu and Zappaman must be attached at the hip. Yes some things are absolute as
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#164
And generally, it's dumbasses like RFK Jr. who think that thiomerosal causes autism...
SidDithers
Jul 2014
#165
I think the new hosting guidelines are good. But I am sure there will be ways that those that
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#168
Really? Seems to me like every time I see Sid post, you are right behind with your "+1000".
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#170
Seriously, to what end? Why do you think it's beneficial to tell people how bad others are?
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#173
We know how bad some of them are. The ones that want to control what we DUers read. Hopefully
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#175
What's tiresome is people who come here to do nothing other than try to control others. That can't
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#178
That's good advice, try taking it yourself. Having a different opinion does not make someone your
sabrina 1
Jul 2014
#192
OH Brother is right. Putting words into my mouth is a poor excuse for an argument.
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#195
Ah yes and here's Zappaman right on schedule as if Sid can't have a discussion w/o you. Are you
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#68
While you're waiting, why dont you pop into a thread that isn't about hate
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#96
I absolutely agree. I like to have open discussions on these issues. That doesn't seem to
rhett o rick
Jul 2014
#88
And THAT is exactly what DU has become, I wonder why. I wonder why the admins allow the shit
mother earth
Jul 2014
#90
It's almost comical how some who decry political dynasties and cults of personality
NuclearDem
Jul 2014
#118