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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
75. Because I would be playing into my political enemies' hands. See, I'm a Democrat.
Sun Jul 27, 2014, 05:03 PM
Jul 2014

And I remember Democrats like Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.'s father and uncle. They worked to bring peace and prosperity to ALL Americans.

Something else: I heard RFK, Jr. speak in Detroit a few years back.



Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. called George W Bush "that sonofabitch" and said the guy was a crook, turning over the government to the lobbyists and gangsters who've emptied our Treasury, polluted our water, land, air and children, and used humanity as cannon fodder and slave labor.

He also pegged ABCNNBCBSFoxNoiseNutwork for what they are. Among other things, he called Antonin Scalia the son of a Nazi and explained why. I would've taken notes, but I wanted to hear everything the guy said.

Georgia law professor emeritus Donald E. Wilkes:



DESTINY BETRAYED:
THE CIA, OSWALD, AND
THE JFK ASSASSINATION


Published in Flagpole Magazine, p. 8 (Dec. 7, 2005).

Author: Donald E. Wilkes, Jr., Professor of Law, University of Georgia School of Law.

In place of the strong sense of faith in man and mankind, we now have a heavy feeling of a failed mission, of destiny betrayed and unfulfilled. – Rav Alex Israel

The deepest cover story of the CIA is that it is an intelligence organization. – Bulletin of the Federation of American Scientists


Today, 42 years after President John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dealey Plaza in Dallas, Texas, on November 22, 1963, few responsible researchers who have studied JFK’s murder accept the Warren Commission’s main conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald, acting alone, committed the crime. (The Warren Commission was the body appointed by President Lyndon B. Johnson to investigate the Kennedy assassination; it released its Report in September 1964.) As these researchers have shown again and again in scores of books and articles, evidence available to the Commission but improperly evaluated, erroneously rejected, or simply not pursued by that body, together with new evidence unavailable to the Commission, discredits the principal finding of the Warren Report. JFK’s death was, these researchers believe, carried out by a conspiracy; it was not the act of a lone assassin. Different researchers, however, have different conspiracy theories. Conspiracy theorists also disagree about Oswald: some maintain that he was simply one of the conspirators; others claim that, while he was a member of the conspiracy, he was also unknowingly a dupe of the other conspirators who intended for him to be the fall guy; and still other theorists think that Oswald was a wholly innocent person set up by the conspirators as the patsy. Furthermore, the theorists who regard Oswald as a conspirator disagree as to whether he fired any of the shots in Dealey Plaza.

SNIP...

The theory that JFK’s murder was engineered by the CIA (or by persons affiliated with the CIA), and that the CIA covered up its connections to the murder, warrants serious consideration and should not be peremptorily rejected. In the 1960’s the CIA more resembled an untouchable crime syndicate than a legitimate government entity. Lavishly but secretly funded, unrestrained by public opinion, cloaked in secrecy, conducting whatever foreign or domestic clandestine operations it wished without regard to laws or morals, and specializing in deception, falsification, and mystification, the CIA was riddled at all levels with ruthless, cynical officials and employees who believed that they were above the law, that any means were justified to accomplish the goals they set for themselves, and that insofar as their surreptitious activities were concerned it was justifiable to lie with impunity to anyone, even presidents and legislators. Many of these individuals, thinking he was soft on communism, that he would reduce the size of the military industrial complex, and that he was to blame for the Bay of Pigs disaster (the failed CIA-sponsored invasion of Cuba in 1961), hated and despised Kennedy. The CIA routinely circumvented and defied attempts by the executive and legislative branches to monitor its activities. It was involved in innumerable unlawful or outrageous activities. It illegally opened the mail of Americans. It interfered with free elections in foreign countries and arranged to destabilize or overthrow the governments of other countries. It plotted the murder of various foreign leaders. It arranged to hire the Mafia to help with some of these proposed murder plots. It unlawfully stored–in quantities, UGA political science professor Loch K. Johnson notes, sufficient “to destroy the population of a small city”–exotic toxic agents, including cobra venom and shellfish toxin, for the purpose of committing murders. It manufactured and used sinister lethal weaponry, including what Prof. Johnson calls “the ultimate murder weapon,” an electric handgun (the CIA called it a “noise-free disseminator”) with a telescopic sight which could noiselessly and accurately fire poison-tipped darts (the CIA called them “nondiscernible microbioinoculators”) up to a distance of 250 feet. It undoubtedly carried out multiple secret murders and other heinous crimes which it successfully kept hidden. Furthermore, it is now firmly established that after the JFK assassination the CIA simultaneously lied to, and withheld important information from, the Warren Commission.

One of the first serious investigators to raise credible claims that CIA operatives or ex-CIA operatives were involved in the JFK assassination was Jim Garrison, who served as the district attorney in New Orleans, Louisiana from 1962 to 1974. (A brief chronology of Garrison’s life and investigation is set forth at the end of this article.) Garrison and his office investigated the assassination for about five years, from late 1966 until early 1971. His investigation led Garrison to believe that, regardless of whoever actually fired the shots in Dealey Plaza, the assassination was the result of a plot hatched in New Orleans by persons with CIA connections. Furthermore, Garrison concluded, following the assassination the CIA engaged in a coverup to protect itself and the assassins. Garrison brought to trial the only criminal proceeding in which someone was actually charged with involvement in the JFK assassination. Garrison wrote two important books, the first published in 1970, the second in 1988, in which he recounted his investigation and shared the important new facts he had discovered.

In the words of journalist Fred Powledge, who wrote a magazine article on Garrison published in 1967, Garrison thought that “the assassins were CIA employees who were angered at President Kennedy’s posture on Cuba following the Bay of Pigs disaster, and that the CIA was frustrating his investigation, although the agency knew the whereabouts of the assassins.” Philosophy professor Richard H. Popkin, in another magazine article published in 1967, summarized Garrison’s views on the assassination as follows: “The thesis Garrison has set forth is that a group of New Orleans-based, anti-Castroites, supported and/or encouraged by the CIA in their anti-Castro activities, in the late summer or early fall of 1963 conspired to assassinate John F. Kennedy. This group, according to Garrison, included (Clay) Shaw, (David) Ferrie, (Lee Harvey) Oswald, ... and others, including Cuban exiles and American anti-Castroites.... (T)heir plan was executed in Dallas on November 22, 1963. At least part of their motivation ... was their reaction to Kennedy’s decisions at the Bay of Pigs and the changes in U.S. policy toward Cuba following the missiles crisis of 1962.”

In a 1967 interview, Garrison himself phrased his basic conclusions this way: “(A) number of the men who killed the President were former employees of the CIA involved in its anti-Castro underground activities in and around New Orleans.... We must assume that the plotters were acting on their own rather than on CIA orders when they killed the President. As far as we been able to determine, they were not on the pay of the CIA at the time of the assassination.... The CIA could not face up to the American people and admit that its former employees had conspired to assassinate the President, so from the moment Kennedy’s heart stopped beating, the Agency attempted to sweep the whole conspiracy under the rug.... In this respect, it has become an accessory after the fact in the assassination.”

CONTINUED...

http://www.law.uga.edu/dwilkes_more/jfk_22destiny.html



Prof. Wilkes' bibiliography is an excellent survey of what was available at the time of his writing that article. Several new works have been published since. I'll try to get back and recommend them to you when I get the time. The point is I stand with the Kennedys. And Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. called Antonin Scalia a fascist and called George Bush a "son of a bitch." I feel he is correct on both of those counts.

Lighter on the character assassination. Octafish Jul 2014 #1
It's only character assassination to idiots who believe thimerosal causes autism... SidDithers Jul 2014 #2
Operation SPAMALOT: ''Post whatever the fuck you want.'' Octafish Jul 2014 #4
So being factual is "smearing?" Archae Jul 2014 #6
Third OP in a week is a smear job. Octafish Jul 2014 #9
An asshole is an asshole. Archae Jul 2014 #10
You mean like the 'scientists' who were hired to deny Climate Change? sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #137
And this has what to do with the price of tea in China? Archae Jul 2014 #139
Well, let me explain. As you said, 'the scientists who accept money to whore themselves on sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #141
We don't treat thiomersal-autism links as legitimate NuclearDem Jul 2014 #142
And we don't treat personal attacks on Democrats as legitimate. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #143
There is a legitimate case to be made. And it's been made ad nauseum. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #145
Like talking to a wall. zappaman Jul 2014 #149
+1000 Punkingal Jul 2014 #47
Sinister? HuckleB Jul 2014 #111
'Scientists' said that about Al Gore too, but I don't recall Democrats doing so, when he tried to sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #138
Umm. Gore had the science on his side. HuckleB Jul 2014 #151
As someone who hasn't been following this, the smear campaign against a good Democrat right sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #129
We have. Archae Jul 2014 #131
'has as much validity as' Al Gore maybe, on Climate Change? Or do you think he was sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #140
The difference is that Gore was right about climate change... SidDithers Jul 2014 #147
You're asking a lot! zappaman Jul 2014 #150
But Scandinavian researchers, who agree that Climate Change is F___ing the planet, truedelphi Aug 2014 #197
Would'nt it be nice to pull the cover off some of the Ops Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #13
If you have something to say, then why not say it? Orrex Jul 2014 #14
I did. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #16
I admit that I tend to tune out bullshit, so maybe I missed what you posted. Orrex Jul 2014 #18
Good one! zappaman Jul 2014 #21
+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Jul 2014 #112
The organization. The focus. The repetition. The organization. The focus. The repetition... Octafish Jul 2014 #24
So you expect people to believe what someone says just because they're a Democrat? hobbit709 Jul 2014 #20
Is your stance that tammywammy Jul 2014 #52
Criticism is one thing. Calling him an ''asshole'' is another. Octafish Jul 2014 #57
Some of his fans are still upset he didn't reveal who killed JFK last year. zappaman Jul 2014 #19
That's what Climate Deniers said to me about Al Gore 'you're just a cheerleader for sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #144
Can't mock Democrats for garbage beliefs? zappaman Jul 2014 #148
Sure, you can mock whoever you like if you think it's effective in proving anything. I'm just sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #154
Please point to the "Kennedy hate" here on DU. zappaman Jul 2014 #156
I never make baseless accusations. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #158
Uh huh. zappaman Jul 2014 #159
Point to them? They're clearly obvious, except to those who do not wish to see them. sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #163
As I thought. zappaman Jul 2014 #166
Wrong. proverbialwisdom Jul 2014 #86
You found a single individual who disagrees with the consensus. HuckleB Jul 2014 #119
And perhaps lighter on the imagery of our words? tritsofme Jul 2014 #3
Don't want to be portrayed as an anti-vax nut NuclearDem Jul 2014 #53
It really is that simple, isn't it...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #54
Because mercury is good for you. Octafish Jul 2014 #60
Mercury is no longer in vaccines, hasn't been for a decade NickB79 Jul 2014 #64
Must be something else then. Octafish Jul 2014 #65
So when JFK Jr STILL claims that it's thimerosal NickB79 Jul 2014 #67
No. And I certainly don't agree when I see DUers work to disgrace the man's name. Octafish Jul 2014 #71
Why not? Thimerosal is clearly not the causitive agent of autism NickB79 Jul 2014 #72
Because I would be playing into my political enemies' hands. See, I'm a Democrat. Octafish Jul 2014 #75
RFK Jr is not his father or uncle. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #83
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #108
That's not news. zappaman Jul 2014 #109
Yes it is. Yes it does. Octafish Jul 2014 #115
Jury results on hidden post Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #130
Juror #1 RobertEarl Jul 2014 #181
Good jury. zappaman Jul 2014 #190
Which has absolutely zero bearing whatsoever on his stance on vaccines. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #117
Quick question ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #101
I disagree with him on marijuana. Octafish Jul 2014 #103
Patrick Kennedy is against the legalization of marijuana? zappaman Jul 2014 #110
Perhaps you'll be remembered so kindly. Octafish Jul 2014 #116
You made me sad, Brad. zappaman Jul 2014 #121
Does calling me 'Brad' help to denigrate me? Octafish Jul 2014 #123
Why would I do that? NuclearDem Jul 2014 #126
Cuz we're friends. zappaman Jul 2014 #134
Actually... HuckleB Jul 2014 #120
Right you are. Octafish Jul 2014 #124
Because anti-vax bullshit does nothing to make children safer. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #128
His main concern is clearly to get his name in the public eye. HuckleB Jul 2014 #132
Vaccines don't cause autism. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #82
But...but...RFK Jr is a Democrat!!! zappaman Jul 2014 #84
Hehe. +1. Sid's schtick is getting old - 16 recs, 160 posts? closeupready Jul 2014 #125
Lighter on the anti-science? longship Jul 2014 #146
It's this sentence that shows just how stupid Kennedy is. Archae Jul 2014 #5
"It's a conspiracy!!"... SidDithers Jul 2014 #7
I tell these people just look at my own family. Archae Jul 2014 #8
Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy believed President Kennedy was killed by a conspiracy. Octafish Jul 2014 #11
You keep posting this bullshit. Archae Jul 2014 #12
PT Barnum never said that. Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #15
Speaking of SPAMALOT... SidDithers Jul 2014 #22
Where did you see that on television or the newspapers? Saw a lot of crapola like SS man shot JFK... Octafish Jul 2014 #26
Keep tugging at that forelock, octafish of DU...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #33
Irish don't like that expression. Octafish Jul 2014 #37
I'm talking about RFK Jr. and his dangerous views on childhood vaccinations... SidDithers Jul 2014 #40
I have a cousin who has a friend who had a housekeeper who has a daughter zappaman Jul 2014 #23
I'd say he's been primed to see conspiracies, even where they don't exist NickB79 Jul 2014 #66
What an asshat! zappaman Jul 2014 #17
I do find it interesting that mackerel Jul 2014 #25
Thiomerosal was removed from childhood vaccines because of public pressure, not because of science.. SidDithers Jul 2014 #30
"If we knew then what we know now" whatchamacallit Jul 2014 #41
Re-read the statement... SidDithers Jul 2014 #43
That's nice dear mackerel Jul 2014 #78
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #49
safeminds. LOL... SidDithers Jul 2014 #50
Read it before you laugh. (nt) proverbialwisdom Jul 2014 #58
I'm familiar with safeminds, thanks... SidDithers Jul 2014 #59
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #76
As reported by WaPo article controversial chapters were DELETED from the book so title is misleading proverbialwisdom Jul 2014 #85
The tenor of this thread is disgusting. 99Forever Jul 2014 #27
I agree with this post rjsquirrel Jul 2014 #28
I'm allergic to thimerosal it is a preservative made out of Mercury it is still in MOST flu shots! Omaha Steve Jul 2014 #29
RFK Jr. believes that thiomerosal causes autism... SidDithers Jul 2014 #32
We believe everything Daily Beast says? Omaha Steve Jul 2014 #34
There are dozens of sources... SidDithers Jul 2014 #38
Point taken Omaha Steve Jul 2014 #44
I don't think they should be pushing that version on pregnant women. pnwmom Jul 2014 #46
Your doctor can give you thimerosal-free flu shots NickB79 Jul 2014 #70
It would be an incredible mental and emotional hurdle for prominent Anti-vaxxers to recant... devils chaplain Jul 2014 #31
Leave RFK Jr alone!!!! zappaman Jul 2014 #35
Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #36
That was for oil, too. Kachunka chunka. Octafish Jul 2014 #48
Dr Andrew Wakefield is the English tea and oranges Jul 2014 #39
Yup, he can't practice medicine in the UK anymore... SidDithers Jul 2014 #42
Sad, isn't it? mr blur Jul 2014 #102
And all for profit- he developed his own vaccines. To sell his, he had to cast doubt on the old. X_Digger Jul 2014 #104
It's amusing tea and oranges Jul 2014 #107
Oh now you're just doing it on purpose. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #45
Well, maybe just a bit... SidDithers Jul 2014 #51
"What will it take to make him stop?" Why is it so important to you to make people stop? rhett o rick Jul 2014 #55
You don't think RFK Jr. should be stopped from promoting a dangerously wrong ideology?... SidDithers Jul 2014 #56
To me you seem to be obsessed with "stopping" anyone that doesn't march to your ideology. rhett o rick Jul 2014 #62
You left out "authoritarian", Rick zappaman Jul 2014 #63
It goes without saying. nm rhett o rick Jul 2014 #69
"Liberals provide alternate arguments in lieu of stopping or censoring discussion." alp227 Jul 2014 #91
Of course the rationalization for censoring...."it's shitty". And it's always "shitty" if it don't rhett o rick Jul 2014 #92
No. Think about it. alp227 Jul 2014 #93
First of all only a very small fraction of posts/OPs that are hidden or locked pertain to those rhett o rick Jul 2014 #95
"Ideology." HuckleB Jul 2014 #133
IMO a liberal understands that nothing is absolute. If we start off with "IMO RFK jr. is pushing.." rhett o rick Jul 2014 #155
It's not an opinion that RFK JR is pushing horseshit. zappaman Jul 2014 #157
Wow, Zappaman, I can't seem to shake you. But I am flattered by the attention. rhett o rick Jul 2014 #160
Yes, Rick we know you are the arbiter of what a "good liberal" is zappaman Jul 2014 #161
"nothing is absolute"?... SidDithers Jul 2014 #162
Oh hi Sid. YOu and Zappaman must be attached at the hip. Yes some things are absolute as rhett o rick Jul 2014 #164
And generally, it's dumbasses like RFK Jr. who think that thiomerosal causes autism... SidDithers Jul 2014 #165
I think the new hosting guidelines are good. But I am sure there will be ways that those that rhett o rick Jul 2014 #168
No attachment to Sid, Rick. zappaman Jul 2014 #167
Really? Seems to me like every time I see Sid post, you are right behind with your "+1000". rhett o rick Jul 2014 #170
Just like to remind people how bad some DUers are at hosting. zappaman Jul 2014 #172
Seriously, to what end? Why do you think it's beneficial to tell people how bad others are? rhett o rick Jul 2014 #173
"I've had enough of your childish antics." zappaman Jul 2014 #174
We know how bad some of them are. The ones that want to control what we DUers read. Hopefully sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #175
Uh huh. zappaman Jul 2014 #177
What's tiresome is people who come here to do nothing other than try to control others. That can't sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #178
Uh huh. zappaman Jul 2014 #179
Oh for the love of God, take the fucking tinfoil off. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #189
That's good advice, try taking it yourself. Having a different opinion does not make someone your sabrina 1 Jul 2014 #192
I never said you were the enemy. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #193
boom goes the dynamite... SidDithers Jul 2014 #196
Oh, brother. HuckleB Jul 2014 #171
OH Brother is right. Putting words into my mouth is a poor excuse for an argument. rhett o rick Jul 2014 #195
Thank you! Puzzledtraveller Jul 2014 #153
RFK, Jr. has called for Paul Offit and others to be put in jail. HuckleB Jul 2014 #184
And Paul Offit is a true hero in public health... SidDithers Jul 2014 #185
Indeed. And good piece. HuckleB Jul 2014 #186
So you agree with RFK Jr that vaccines cause autism? zappaman Jul 2014 #61
Ah yes and here's Zappaman right on schedule as if Sid can't have a discussion w/o you. Are you rhett o rick Jul 2014 #68
So you agree with RFK Jr that vaccines cause autism? zappaman Jul 2014 #73
Really? That's your best effort? The Boss won't be happy. nm rhett o rick Jul 2014 #74
What "Boss", Rick? zappaman Jul 2014 #77
Still waiting, Rick. zappaman Jul 2014 #94
While you're waiting, why dont you pop into a thread that isn't about hate rhett o rick Jul 2014 #96
Who's my boss, Rick? zappaman Jul 2014 #97
Nothing? zappaman Jul 2014 #100
I comment wherever I see fit, Rick. zappaman Jul 2014 #79
But it seems you do. nm rhett o rick Jul 2014 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author zappaman Jul 2014 #81
IMO it's fair to question why a Kennedy should get to have influence treestar Jul 2014 #80
I absolutely agree. I like to have open discussions on these issues. That doesn't seem to rhett o rick Jul 2014 #88
And we think RFK Jr is an anti-vax idiot. zappaman Jul 2014 #89
And THAT is exactly what DU has become, I wonder why. I wonder why the admins allow the shit mother earth Jul 2014 #90
Welcome to the New and Improved DU! QC Jul 2014 #114
It's almost comical how some who decry political dynasties and cults of personality NuclearDem Jul 2014 #118
Amazing, ain't it? zappaman Jul 2014 #122
Very odd maddezmom Jul 2014 #127
I agree. nt m-lekktor Jul 2014 #188
Because it saves people's lives. Just putting that out there... Humanist_Activist Jul 2014 #169
Thank you, jurors, for voting 5-2 against the alert...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #98
+1 zappaman Jul 2014 #99
+1 HuckleB Jul 2014 #152
Rec for science - TBF Jul 2014 #105
This from a poster... CanSocDem Jul 2014 #106
Recommended! HuckleB Jul 2014 #113
If you are advocating for the anti-vax movement, Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #135
Well said...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #136
Hey, hey, RFKJ, how many kids did your ignorant anti-vax crap kill today? X_Digger Jul 2014 #176
Yup. RFK Jr. is a real anti-vax loony. longship Jul 2014 #180
Is this the same Kennedy who fights marijuana legalization? B Calm Jul 2014 #182
No, I think the asshat anti-pot Kennedy is Patrick... SidDithers Jul 2014 #183
That's Patrick Kennedy. NuclearDem Jul 2014 #194
Mercury exposure isn't good for any animal. There are safer ways to preserve vaccines. Sunlei Jul 2014 #187
Is that methyl or ethyl mercury?...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #191
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