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jeff47

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19. Do you have evidence that they aren't?

Fri Jul 11, 2014, 02:17 PM

Jul 2014

This study is fatally flawed in several ways. The two primary flaws:

1) Inadequate controls. They did not feed rats just the crop under test. They always fed the rats RoundUp. RoundUp is known to be toxic.

2) Inadequate sample size: They selected rats that had been bred to naturally develop tumors. They will do so at a random rate. In order to use these rats effectively, you need to use a lot of them in order to overcome the statistical noise from natural tumors. They didn't do that.

If this is, in fact, the case, do those criticizing this publication have reason to believe that this is adequate to determine long term renal, hepatic, and endocrine effects?

Considering no one has even a theoretical mechanism where the crop causes renal, hepatic or endocrine harm, yes.

RoundUp is known to cause harm to those systems. Food from RoundUp Ready crops is not normally coated in RoundUp - they added RoundUp to the food in this study.

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Republished study: GMO Corn Can Cause Damage to Liver and Kidneys, and Severe Hormonal Disruption [View all] G_j Jul 2014 OP

That study is STILL garbage mathematic Jul 2014 #1

ROFL... SidDithers Jul 2014 #2

Is it just me or is "Alternet" getting worse and worse? snooper2 Jul 2014 #3

Sadly, science reporting on the left is almost as bad as it is on the right...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #4

On this I must agree. MohRokTah Jul 2014 #26

I've never trusted their content Bonx Jul 2014 #16

wow G_j Jul 2014 #5

No, we've just seen this garbage posted several times already...nt SidDithers Jul 2014 #6

ROFL G_j Jul 2014 #8

You're the one characterizing this as a major study... SidDithers Jul 2014 #9

If one guys can pay so much then wisechoice Jul 2014 #38

I think it's partly that "where's our jetpacks? their absence means SOMEBODY is to blame!" MisterP Jul 2014 #13

gawd I wish this nonsense would die permanently.... mike_c Jul 2014 #7

It won't... SidDithers Jul 2014 #10

You have a point. Since GMO corn is used so widely, Damansarajaya Jul 2014 #35

"We" didn't see the increase in obesity, diabetes and cancer? KurtNYC Jul 2014 #42

Hmmm . . . good data. I'm not a GMO fan. Damansarajaya Jul 2014 #45

Soda is GMO corn (HFCS) which is designed to be loaded with most easily absorbed sugar -- fructose KurtNYC Jul 2014 #47

Post removed Post removed Jul 2014 #15

I thought I had read the rats were predisposed to tumors! MohRokTah Jul 2014 #27

Alan McHughen frustrated_lefty Jul 2014 #31

Yay! More crappy science!! jeff47 Jul 2014 #11

Nailed it... SidDithers Jul 2014 #12

Do critics of this publication have evidence that current testing standards are optimal? Faryn Balyncd Jul 2014 #14

Do you have evidence that they aren't? jeff47 Jul 2014 #19

Any study showing long term effects of wisechoice Jul 2014 #39

Yes. It's called everyone around you. jeff47 Jul 2014 #46

It appears you have not read either the article or the study: Faryn Balyncd Jul 2014 #50

The study's sample size was too small to make heads or tails out of the data. Avalux Jul 2014 #17

They should redo the study... SidDithers Jul 2014 #18

How about wisechoice Jul 2014 #43

But . . . how does that herbicide affect humans? Petrushka Jul 2014 #20

It affects them poorly. Pesticides also affect humans poorly. jeff47 Jul 2014 #21

Wow, what excellent advice for systemic pesticides! /sarcasm appal_jack Jul 2014 #23

That sounds serious Babel_17 Jul 2014 #25

Here is one on neonics & bird declines: appal_jack Jul 2014 #28

Here's some discussion of problems from using RoundUp to dry down wheat: appal_jack Jul 2014 #29

RoundUp Ready GMO's contributing to Monarch decline: appal_jack Jul 2014 #30

RoundUp & its adjuvants killing amphibians: appal_jack Jul 2014 #32

Neonic pesticides implicated in bat die-offs: appal_jack Jul 2014 #33

Extinction is indeed serious. appal_jack Jul 2014 #34

I only buy non-Monsanto altered products Babel_17 Jul 2014 #36

I agree about rational choice vs. intrinsic opposition. appal_jack Jul 2014 #49

So change the subject, and then attack the strawman for changing the subject. jeff47 Jul 2014 #44

Good Luck with your Monarchs coming back, appal jack! Thanks for your posts not promoting Cha Jul 2014 #48

serious buisiness.. G_j Jul 2014 #22

The truth: Seralini is the Andrew Wakefield of biology. alp227 Jul 2014 #24

Tracing back the source it goes to this...http://www.elsevier.com/ Rex Jul 2014 #37

The Seralini study was originallyh published in the Elsevier journal Food and Chemical Toxicology... SidDithers Jul 2014 #40

Okay thanks, yeah they wouldn't retract anything factual or I wouldn't think so. Rex Jul 2014 #41